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I should stop complaining about my Galaxy note in that case....am outta battery at around 3:30-4ish....I start my day at 8 and use my phone like a techno-freak !!!
It's all of power, want faster stronger with small and lighter... many recharges.
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I think that's about right. A third less battery life then my 4 but it seems to charge 50% faster...
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ohh interesting, half of me thought apple probably found a way around the LTE drain problem.
Wonder how much LTE was pushed by carriers demands rather than consumer demand. Although I'm guessing consumer demand was pretty high for lte too
Wonder how much LTE was pushed by carriers demands rather than consumer demand. Although I'm guessing consumer demand was pretty high for lte too
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Meh I'm on LTE all day. Started at 100% used pandora to work and surfed the net like crazy right now. I'm at 66% @ 11:45am. That will last me until work ends at 5:30 with 25-30% left.
Of course I top it off at 4:30 so I'm full by the time I go home.
Of course I top it off at 4:30 so I'm full by the time I go home.
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On my iPhone 4, with this much usage I'd be out by noon.
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Bought the lighting to 30-pin adaptor with the short cable.
Works with my current car charger and the audio line out still works too
Works with my current car charger and the audio line out still works too
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AT&T Drops FaceTime Shared Data Plan Requirement for iPhone 5
AT&T today announced that it will no longer require customers to have a shared data plan in order to access FaceTime over cellular, but only for those with an iPhone 5.
In a Thursday statement, AT&T said FaceTime over cellular will be accessible to "iOS 6 customers with an LTE device on any tiered data plan." Though people with older versions of the iPhone can upgrade to iOS 6, only the iPhone 5 is an LTE device. AT&T said it expects to make FaceTime over cellular available to iPhone 5 users in the next 8-10 weeks.
Customers with devices other than the iPhone 5 can still use FaceTime over cellular on a shared data plan, AT&T said, or over Wi-Fi. AT&T said that as of Oct. 26, it also started rolling out new billing plans for its deaf and hard of hearing customers that will let them access FaceTime.
The FaceTime iOS and Mac video chat service initially only worked when both people had their iDevices connected to a Wi-Fi network. But at its Worldwide Developer Conference (WWDC) in June, Apple said iOS 6 would allow for FaceTime access over cellular networks, a move that will likely broaden the reach of a product that has thus far been overshadowed by solutions like Skype.
Several months ago, AT&T confirmed that it would only offer FaceTime over cellular to those who signed up for one of the carrier's shared data plans, which launched on Aug. 23. But that prompted consumer groups like Public Knowledge, Free Press, and the New America Foundation to claim that AT&T was violating net neutrality rules.
AT&T strongly denied that it was in violation of the FCC rules. In a blog post today, Jim Cicconi, AT&T's senior executive for regulatory and legislative affairs, said the carrier decided to take a "cautious" approach to FaceTime over cellular because "AT&T has by far more iPhones on our network than any other carrier."
"We're proud of this fact and the confidence our customers have in us," Cicconi wrote. "But it also means that when Apple rolls out new services or changes, as it did in iOS 6, it can have a much greater, and more immediate, impact on AT&T's network than is the case with carriers who have far fewer iPhone users."
With FaceTime pre-loaded on millions of iPhones, AT&T said its engineers would not be able to assess the network impact of having its customers use Apple's video chat service. "It is for this reason that we took a more cautious approach toward the app," Cicconi wrote.
"We will continue to gather and assess the network data on this issue over the next few months and anticipate that we will be able to expand the availability of FaceTime to our customers on other billing plans in the near future," he concluded.
The consumer groups that complained about AT&T's original decision said they will keep tabs on the FaceTime over cellular rollout to make sure AT&T follows through and actually rolls it out to everyone over time.
"AT&T's course correction is a move in the right direction, but until the company makes FaceTime available to all of its customers it is still in violation of the FCC's rules and the broader principles of Net Neutrality," Free Press policy director Matt Wood said in a statement.
"We are willing to wait and see if AT&T will follow through with its promise to end its illegal practices in short order. We still intend to pursue legal action against AT&T if it doesn't make FaceTime available to all of its customers quickly," said Public Knowledge senior staff attorney John Bergmayer.
In a Thursday statement, AT&T said FaceTime over cellular will be accessible to "iOS 6 customers with an LTE device on any tiered data plan." Though people with older versions of the iPhone can upgrade to iOS 6, only the iPhone 5 is an LTE device. AT&T said it expects to make FaceTime over cellular available to iPhone 5 users in the next 8-10 weeks.
Customers with devices other than the iPhone 5 can still use FaceTime over cellular on a shared data plan, AT&T said, or over Wi-Fi. AT&T said that as of Oct. 26, it also started rolling out new billing plans for its deaf and hard of hearing customers that will let them access FaceTime.
The FaceTime iOS and Mac video chat service initially only worked when both people had their iDevices connected to a Wi-Fi network. But at its Worldwide Developer Conference (WWDC) in June, Apple said iOS 6 would allow for FaceTime access over cellular networks, a move that will likely broaden the reach of a product that has thus far been overshadowed by solutions like Skype.
Several months ago, AT&T confirmed that it would only offer FaceTime over cellular to those who signed up for one of the carrier's shared data plans, which launched on Aug. 23. But that prompted consumer groups like Public Knowledge, Free Press, and the New America Foundation to claim that AT&T was violating net neutrality rules.
AT&T strongly denied that it was in violation of the FCC rules. In a blog post today, Jim Cicconi, AT&T's senior executive for regulatory and legislative affairs, said the carrier decided to take a "cautious" approach to FaceTime over cellular because "AT&T has by far more iPhones on our network than any other carrier."
"We're proud of this fact and the confidence our customers have in us," Cicconi wrote. "But it also means that when Apple rolls out new services or changes, as it did in iOS 6, it can have a much greater, and more immediate, impact on AT&T's network than is the case with carriers who have far fewer iPhone users."
With FaceTime pre-loaded on millions of iPhones, AT&T said its engineers would not be able to assess the network impact of having its customers use Apple's video chat service. "It is for this reason that we took a more cautious approach toward the app," Cicconi wrote.
"We will continue to gather and assess the network data on this issue over the next few months and anticipate that we will be able to expand the availability of FaceTime to our customers on other billing plans in the near future," he concluded.
The consumer groups that complained about AT&T's original decision said they will keep tabs on the FaceTime over cellular rollout to make sure AT&T follows through and actually rolls it out to everyone over time.
"AT&T's course correction is a move in the right direction, but until the company makes FaceTime available to all of its customers it is still in violation of the FCC's rules and the broader principles of Net Neutrality," Free Press policy director Matt Wood said in a statement.
"We are willing to wait and see if AT&T will follow through with its promise to end its illegal practices in short order. We still intend to pursue legal action against AT&T if it doesn't make FaceTime available to all of its customers quickly," said Public Knowledge senior staff attorney John Bergmayer.
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So ATT still hates the grandfathered in unlimited customers.
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So I can FaceTime on my iPad then....
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i use 5GB+ of data per month....and they throttle me when I hit 5gb's
so in my Galaxy note, I have the data usage setup to turn on wifi once I hit 4.7 GB....until I hit 4.7GB I keep my wifi off LOL....
4g LTE speeds at higher than my home ATT Uverse internet speed LOL
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How bad is the throttle?
Is it like 25, 50, 75% slower or like basically only like email and stuff like that will work?
Is it like 25, 50, 75% slower or like basically only like email and stuff like that will work?
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AT&T's flip-flop on FaceTime over cellular should scare you
A 'cautious approach' exposes the FCC's greatest shortcoming
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/8/36...-flip-flop-fcc
A 'cautious approach' exposes the FCC's greatest shortcoming
Weeks after taking enormous heat from consumers, public interest groups, and the media (like us), AT&T is doing an about-face on its controversial decision to limit iOS 6's support for FaceTime over cellular to its new, pricier Mobile Share plans. That's great, but don't give AT&T an ounce of credit — the move is mysteriously taking eight to ten weeks to implement, and it's merely restoring functionality that should've been present from day one. It also would've never happened had organizations like Public Knowledge and Free Press not made it clear to AT&T that they'd pursue all legal avenues to get the block removed. "We got to a place that we think fixes the problem for AT&T's customers faster than would otherwise have happened, had we not indicated our willingness to file," Public Knowledge's John Bergmayer told us.
CARRIERS DO NOT OWN THE SPECTRUM THEY OCCUPY
More importantly, AT&T's sudden reversal exposes an enormous hole in the way that the FCC stewards the nation's airwaves. I mentioned in my January editorial — Unlimited data is dead, so let's fight a smarter fight — that spectrum belongs to the citizens; it's merely licensed to companies like AT&T, Verizon, and hundreds of others for the purpose of creating networks and services that are beneficial to the people living in it. That means that when a company purchases a license and doesn't use it to the fullest extent possible — when it arbitrarily restricts services, for instance — it's a violation of the spirit by which the spectrum was licensed in the first place. But in the course of normal business, the FCC doesn't regularly audit the utilization of this spectrum. We need to take private industry's word for it that it's using spectrum as efficiently as it can, that it's running out of spectrum, and that it's disabling access to services for a good reason.
Indeed, AT&T's firebrand head of external affairs Jim Cicconi posted a piece to the company's Public Policy Blog today that makes it crystal clear that it's AT&T setting the rules, not the FCC.
In this instance, with the FaceTime app already preloaded on tens of millions of AT&T customers' iPhones, there was no way for our engineers to effectively model usage, and thus to assess network impact. It is for this reason that we took a more cautious approach toward the app. To do otherwise might have risked an adverse impact on the services our customers expect — voice quality in particular — if usage of FaceTime exceeded expectations. And this is important for all our customers regardless of which smartphone they may use.
Apparently, we're supposed to applaud AT&T for its "cautious approach" — Cicconi even reminds us that "AT&T has by far more iPhones on [their] network than any other carrier," a fact that he's "proud" of. So proud, apparently, that AT&T needed to brush up against the outer bounds of the FCC's weak wireless net neutrality guidelines by disabling functionality that Apple was trying to deliver to its customers.
THIS IS AT&T'S WORLD — THE FCC IS JUST LIVING IN IT
What we should've seen, in fact, is a sternly-worded press release from the Federal Communications Commission telling us that the data provided by AT&T on network utilization didn't support the block, and that it was ordering the block removed. It couldn't, of course, because it doesn't have access to even a sliver of the data that AT&T does internally — and any attempt to obtain it would take months (if not years) of filings, proceedings, and legal maneuvers. This is AT&T's world — the FCC is just living in it.
It's fantastic that public pressure caused AT&T to fold here, but make no mistake: it folded as little as it could. FaceTime remains blocked over 3G (or, as AT&T and other carriers call it, 4G), and there's no explanation for why flipping the switch will take two months or more. [Update: AT&T tells us that LTE devices that aren't on Mobile Share plans will, in fact, be able to use FaceTime on HSPA. That still leaves non-LTE devices in the dark, which is an even more arbitrary restriction.]
Bergmayer feels the pain. "If it turns out they don't make it available to truly everyone, we still plan to file a complaint. The violation is ongoing until the feature is made available to every plan, including unlimited plans," he says.
We'd take it a step further: make your network utilization data available to everyone, AT&T. It might be your network, but it's built on our spectrum.
CARRIERS DO NOT OWN THE SPECTRUM THEY OCCUPY
More importantly, AT&T's sudden reversal exposes an enormous hole in the way that the FCC stewards the nation's airwaves. I mentioned in my January editorial — Unlimited data is dead, so let's fight a smarter fight — that spectrum belongs to the citizens; it's merely licensed to companies like AT&T, Verizon, and hundreds of others for the purpose of creating networks and services that are beneficial to the people living in it. That means that when a company purchases a license and doesn't use it to the fullest extent possible — when it arbitrarily restricts services, for instance — it's a violation of the spirit by which the spectrum was licensed in the first place. But in the course of normal business, the FCC doesn't regularly audit the utilization of this spectrum. We need to take private industry's word for it that it's using spectrum as efficiently as it can, that it's running out of spectrum, and that it's disabling access to services for a good reason.
Indeed, AT&T's firebrand head of external affairs Jim Cicconi posted a piece to the company's Public Policy Blog today that makes it crystal clear that it's AT&T setting the rules, not the FCC.
In this instance, with the FaceTime app already preloaded on tens of millions of AT&T customers' iPhones, there was no way for our engineers to effectively model usage, and thus to assess network impact. It is for this reason that we took a more cautious approach toward the app. To do otherwise might have risked an adverse impact on the services our customers expect — voice quality in particular — if usage of FaceTime exceeded expectations. And this is important for all our customers regardless of which smartphone they may use.
Apparently, we're supposed to applaud AT&T for its "cautious approach" — Cicconi even reminds us that "AT&T has by far more iPhones on [their] network than any other carrier," a fact that he's "proud" of. So proud, apparently, that AT&T needed to brush up against the outer bounds of the FCC's weak wireless net neutrality guidelines by disabling functionality that Apple was trying to deliver to its customers.
THIS IS AT&T'S WORLD — THE FCC IS JUST LIVING IN IT
What we should've seen, in fact, is a sternly-worded press release from the Federal Communications Commission telling us that the data provided by AT&T on network utilization didn't support the block, and that it was ordering the block removed. It couldn't, of course, because it doesn't have access to even a sliver of the data that AT&T does internally — and any attempt to obtain it would take months (if not years) of filings, proceedings, and legal maneuvers. This is AT&T's world — the FCC is just living in it.
It's fantastic that public pressure caused AT&T to fold here, but make no mistake: it folded as little as it could. FaceTime remains blocked over 3G (or, as AT&T and other carriers call it, 4G), and there's no explanation for why flipping the switch will take two months or more. [Update: AT&T tells us that LTE devices that aren't on Mobile Share plans will, in fact, be able to use FaceTime on HSPA. That still leaves non-LTE devices in the dark, which is an even more arbitrary restriction.]
Bergmayer feels the pain. "If it turns out they don't make it available to truly everyone, we still plan to file a complaint. The violation is ongoing until the feature is made available to every plan, including unlimited plans," he says.
We'd take it a step further: make your network utilization data available to everyone, AT&T. It might be your network, but it's built on our spectrum.
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at times it goes down to 1mbps....I have gone over only 4-5 times in the past 5 years....
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2mbps??? That's still 256KB/sec
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what network are you on?
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So 4G LTE is 20 megabits/second unthrottled. After throttled its 2 megabits per seconds?
I'm just saying that 2 megabits/sec is still plenty fast to do stuff.
So 4G LTE is 20 megabits/second unthrottled. After throttled its 2 megabits per seconds?
I'm just saying that 2 megabits/sec is still plenty fast to do stuff.
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that is awesome....but am pretty happy with 22mbps on a daily basis, i think 15-20mbps is perfect for cell phones....
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iPhone 5S Trial Production To Begin Next Month
Originally Posted by Redmond Pie
The iPhone 5 has now been with us for approximately seven weeks but if you thought you were going to be sitting at the cutting edge of smartphone technology for a substantial period of time, then a report coming out of China could pour some cold water on that thought. A story coming from the Commercial Times is suggesting that Apple have no intention of resting on their laurels when it comes to updating and upgrading their iPhone hardware and could be planning on initiating a trial production run of iPhone 5S handsets as early as next month.
Screw the new hardware, can we get some real updates to iOS??
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I have an iPhone 4S and I do not have a data share plan. I have been in my car or walking around multiple times and people facetime me, I am able to pick up and facetime over cellular. Not sure how that's possible but I hope ATT doesn't force a plan change as a result.
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^^^ I think they added that feature in iOS 6....facetime over cellular network....but if you are on a rated data plan (2gb, 5gb, 300mb) then keep an eye on your data usage...
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Screw the new hardware, can we get some real updates to iOS??
Screw the new hardware, can we get some real updates to iOS??
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Basically, last week AT&T renegged on their data plan only for FT over celluar and added it to all phones on a limited data plan...though the implementation was supposed to about 8 weeks.
A huge group threatened to sue AT&T over the original plan...has to deal with who doesnt or does own network space, price gouging, limiting features, etc etc.
AT&T "caved" slightly to try and shut people up...while still locking others out. Because the FCC cant be bothered to actually regulate anything.
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I still haven't gotten my phone. I ordered it October 31st. If they are planning on redoing the damn thing, I may as well cancel and wait.
My buddy ordered his the day before mine through AT&T, I ordered mine through apple.. He got his last week while my expected ship window is between the 3-7 of December.. So yeah.. I'm a little annoyed with Apple. /rant
I hope it is only a rumor.. If they start putting out new phones every 6 months, people are going to be pissed.
I still haven't gotten my phone. I ordered it October 31st. If they are planning on redoing the damn thing, I may as well cancel and wait.
My buddy ordered his the day before mine through AT&T, I ordered mine through apple.. He got his last week while my expected ship window is between the 3-7 of December.. So yeah.. I'm a little annoyed with Apple. /rant
I still haven't gotten my phone. I ordered it October 31st. If they are planning on redoing the damn thing, I may as well cancel and wait.
My buddy ordered his the day before mine through AT&T, I ordered mine through apple.. He got his last week while my expected ship window is between the 3-7 of December.. So yeah.. I'm a little annoyed with Apple. /rant
FANdroids???^^^You're all like, "Listen to me, my avatar is a pair of headphones! I'm qualified to give advice on the 'audio' forum."
Things were so much nicer here on AZ when the power was out in VA.
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Main reason I didn't/don't want an Android. Buy a $200 phone.. Two months later there is a new and best version for another 200 while they are selling the one that you just spent the money on, is selling for $50. Then you think to yourself 'I should have just waiting 2 more months'...
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Main reason I didn't/don't want an Android. Buy a $200 phone.. Two months later there is a new and best version for another 200 while they are selling the one that you just spent the money on, is selling for $50. Then you think to yourself 'I should have just waiting 2 more months'...
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