View Poll Results: If women have their own leauge, should they be allowed to play in mens?And Vice versa
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POLL: Should Women be allowed to play in mens leauges if they have their own?
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POLL: Should Women be allowed to play in mens leauges if they have their own?
Should women be allowed to play in mens leauges?
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Im sure this topic has been discussed at length. but in short, do you think women should play on mens leauges? And vice versa? Wouldnt that be "fair" ?
Yes or
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Im sure this topic has been discussed at length. but in short, do you think women should play on mens leauges? And vice versa? Wouldnt that be "fair" ?
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I think they should be allowed to, but only if the men that can't make it in the men's leagues can play in the woman's leagues.
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my initial response to this question is fcuk ass no, but there was a really good point brought up in an earlier post. i would love to see kobe and shaq on the same team in the WNBA.
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Originally Posted by GIBSON6594
I think they should be allowed to, but only if the men that can't make it in the men's leagues can play in the woman's leagues.
So my answer is essentially no.
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Originally Posted by phipark
If they have their own league? Then, NO.
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If Annika can play in the PGA, Tiger should be able to play in the LPGA... not that he would, but they do have million dollar purses he would dominate!
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I say if women want to play in the mens leagues, let them. Male players don't just make a team because they are men. They have to be able to play up to a standard. If a woman can meet the same standard, then so be it.
However, no one should be able to bitch about not being discriminated because of gender.
However, no one should be able to bitch about not being discriminated because of gender.
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FARK NO!!!! If they allow co-ed pro basketball, I'm going to implode the universe. Nothing against women athletes, I love 'em ( ) and I encourage them to do their thing; as long as they do it in their own league. However, the WNBA is BORING! Allowing women to play in the NBA will undoubtedly make the game far less interesting, and I likely will not watch the games anymore.
As you can tell by my post, I only care about basketball. Nothing else matters.
As you can tell by my post, I only care about basketball. Nothing else matters.
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If they are allowed to go to a men's league, then the same should be allowed for men.
I wonder how many points LeBron could score in the WNBA...?
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I think that Golf is the only sport that women maybe be able to compete with men.
Basketball and football is too physical, it would be hilarious to watch chicks get abused trying to compete.
Tennis, i hear even a 100th ranked male player can beat any top 10 female just because they are stronger.
Hockey, soccer, track and field, swimming? I think not.
Baseball, - maybe.
Basketball and football is too physical, it would be hilarious to watch chicks get abused trying to compete.
Tennis, i hear even a 100th ranked male player can beat any top 10 female just because they are stronger.
Hockey, soccer, track and field, swimming? I think not.
Baseball, - maybe.
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Originally Posted by Chr8808
Baseball, - maybe.
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There would def have to be a pre-req. If you are good enough to play in the NBA, you cannot play in the WNBA, so chicks would be gaurding Shaq. Only men who can't make it in the NBA can try out for the WNBA. The same gies for women, they would have to make the cut in the NBA, I don't care who she is, she would have to try out and prove that she can make it in the league.
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Originally Posted by Chr8808
I think that Golf is the only sport that women maybe be able to compete with men.
Basketball and football is too physical, it would be hilarious to watch chicks get abused trying to compete.
Tennis, i hear even a 100th ranked male player can beat any top 10 female just because they are stronger.
Hockey, soccer, track and field, swimming? I think not.
Baseball, - maybe.
Basketball and football is too physical, it would be hilarious to watch chicks get abused trying to compete.
Tennis, i hear even a 100th ranked male player can beat any top 10 female just because they are stronger.
Hockey, soccer, track and field, swimming? I think not.
Baseball, - maybe.
With golf as the exception I'd say no. If they have their own league they don't need to play with the men.
And men should never be able to play in women's leagues. That makes no sense...
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Originally Posted by Chr8808
I think that Golf is the only sport that women maybe be able to compete with men.
Golf is a definite NO. Did you see Annika Sorenstam trying to make the cut (not even getting in contention) at the Colonial like 2 years ago. She was beating the women in her tour senseless, yet she could not even make the cut at a B+ rated golf event.
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This all came about because me and my g/f wer palying tennis at the park and i saw this girl playing on the boys footbal team. Some little kid football leauge, so I looked around and noticed that she was the only girl. So i told my g/f (big mistake...lol) " I wonder whos mom bitched to get her to play"
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt there a leauge for girls football like powderpuff or somethign like that? At least thats what its called here. Nonetheless my g/f diddnt appreceiate my comment
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt there a leauge for girls football like powderpuff or somethign like that? At least thats what its called here. Nonetheless my g/f diddnt appreceiate my comment
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Originally Posted by jlspeed29
This all came about because me and my g/f wer palying tennis at the park and i saw this girl playing on the boys footbal team. Some little kid football leauge, so I looked around and noticed that she was the only girl. So i told my g/f (big mistake...lol) " I wonder whos mom bitched to get her to play"
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt there a leauge for girls football like powderpuff or somethign like that? At least thats what its called here. Nonetheless my g/f diddnt appreceiate my comment
Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt there a leauge for girls football like powderpuff or somethign like that? At least thats what its called here. Nonetheless my g/f diddnt appreceiate my comment
powederpuff was usually just junior girls vs. senior girls at my high school..
#25
here is an interesting article I read this morning. Written by a girl nonetheless.
- by Ivana Bisaro
If women and men usually compete separately, why do so many women train with men? Most women will tell you that it's to help them ride stronger-if they always ride with someone who's faster, then it makes sense that they'll eventually get faster too, right? Wrong!
I learned this lesson the hard way in the winter of 2001 when my collegiate cycling team was preparing for a strong performance at the Collegiate National road racing championships in late spring. Our team that year consisted of ten men and three women. At the time, I mistakenly believed that the harder I trained, the better I'd get. And what better way to train hard than riding with...men.
I was motivated to do everything right that year and win a medal at Nationals. I had my training intensity ranges carefully mapped out after intensive physiological testing, and I had a detailed training plan in place. But after only one month of training with men everything had fallen apart. I was tired, cranky, and skipping rides due to physical and mental burnout. My carefully balanced training regimen had turned into one day of rest followed by six days of race-pace intervals with the guys where my average heartrate hovered at around 180 beats per minute for three to five hours at a time. Sure, I was earning praise for being able to keep up with the guys, but I was struggling mightily to do it.
Physiologically, riding with men every day was taking too much out of me and psychologically, it was self-defeating. Instead of comparing my fitness to other women, I was comparing myself to men, a game that all women are set up to lose. This is because there are some unavoidable physical disadvantages to being a woman competing against a man. In general, when he is training in the right intensity for his workout, as a woman, you will probably be training too hard for yours.
A woman's heart is smaller than a man's, which means that the volume of blood pumped with each heart beat is going to be less than a man's. Also, females, on average, have lower blood hemoglobin content, red blood cell mass, and hematocrit than males, all of which means a woman delivers less oxygen to her muscles than a man can pump to his. Combined, these factors lead to a lower aerobic capacity, and it's this lower aerobic power coupled with lower muscular strength and maximum power output in females that separates women from men.
These differences give you a good idea of the forces behind the large gap between the winning times of the best men compared to the best women at the pro-level. And this gap is why competitions in running, triathlon, cycling, and most other multi-gender sports are split into gender classifications. So if women only compete against other women in elite competition, why are so many women still training with men? Is it possible, or even smart, to join the guys and still stay true to your training plan?
The answer is "Yes." Training in groups made-up of guys can make you faster but only if you use these sessions carefully. To help you figure out when's the best time to join the y-chromosomes, a smart idea is to employ a coach. Hiring a coach is the best way to insure that your training properly matches your current fitness level, skills and goals. Another plus to having a coach is that you have a knowledgeable and trustworthy friend in your corner to help you stick to your training plan not they guys'. The guys don't care if you destroy your fitness by joining them. Your coach does.
I'm not going to lie to you: Training within your limits will more than likely mean that you train alone. But by training solo, you don't have to fight the urge or pressure from the men to go faster. Don't get the wrong idea, well planned group workouts do have their benefits; they offer camaraderie for those long workouts, race simulations, and plenty of opportunities for max efforts when your training program calls for it. But if you have an interval day with very specific interval duration and intensity ranges, go solo; you'll have a more productive and effective workout. If you're lucky enough to have a spouse or boyfriend to train with, match your moderate to moderately-hard days to his easier training days so you have the best chance of actually riding together.
Your number one priority when it comes to devoting hundreds of hours to training it to look out for your best interests. Set those goals, stick with your plan and work with your coach on meeting and adjusting your daily training goals. Remember you don't want to win group training sessions on Tuesdays or Thursdays; you want to perform your best in races on the weekends, races against other women.
I learned from my mistake in college in time to salvage my season. I got a new coach, and I started training by myself the majority of the season. As a result of my focused effort, I earned a podium finish at the team time-trial event that year. Even now, 15 years later, I rarely deviate from my training program to join the guys. That's because winning medals feels so much better than being able to say, "I can keep up with the guys.
Ivana Bisaro MS of Colorado Springs, Colorado is a Pro Coach for Carmichael Training Systems. She's a cycling and road cycling specialist with coaching certifications from the U.S. Cycling Federation and the National Strength and Conditioning Association. She's also a NASN certified sports nutrionist. For more on the latest nutrition, fitness, and performance tips go to www.trainright.com/newsletter.
If women and men usually compete separately, why do so many women train with men? Most women will tell you that it's to help them ride stronger-if they always ride with someone who's faster, then it makes sense that they'll eventually get faster too, right? Wrong!
I learned this lesson the hard way in the winter of 2001 when my collegiate cycling team was preparing for a strong performance at the Collegiate National road racing championships in late spring. Our team that year consisted of ten men and three women. At the time, I mistakenly believed that the harder I trained, the better I'd get. And what better way to train hard than riding with...men.
I was motivated to do everything right that year and win a medal at Nationals. I had my training intensity ranges carefully mapped out after intensive physiological testing, and I had a detailed training plan in place. But after only one month of training with men everything had fallen apart. I was tired, cranky, and skipping rides due to physical and mental burnout. My carefully balanced training regimen had turned into one day of rest followed by six days of race-pace intervals with the guys where my average heartrate hovered at around 180 beats per minute for three to five hours at a time. Sure, I was earning praise for being able to keep up with the guys, but I was struggling mightily to do it.
Physiologically, riding with men every day was taking too much out of me and psychologically, it was self-defeating. Instead of comparing my fitness to other women, I was comparing myself to men, a game that all women are set up to lose. This is because there are some unavoidable physical disadvantages to being a woman competing against a man. In general, when he is training in the right intensity for his workout, as a woman, you will probably be training too hard for yours.
A woman's heart is smaller than a man's, which means that the volume of blood pumped with each heart beat is going to be less than a man's. Also, females, on average, have lower blood hemoglobin content, red blood cell mass, and hematocrit than males, all of which means a woman delivers less oxygen to her muscles than a man can pump to his. Combined, these factors lead to a lower aerobic capacity, and it's this lower aerobic power coupled with lower muscular strength and maximum power output in females that separates women from men.
These differences give you a good idea of the forces behind the large gap between the winning times of the best men compared to the best women at the pro-level. And this gap is why competitions in running, triathlon, cycling, and most other multi-gender sports are split into gender classifications. So if women only compete against other women in elite competition, why are so many women still training with men? Is it possible, or even smart, to join the guys and still stay true to your training plan?
The answer is "Yes." Training in groups made-up of guys can make you faster but only if you use these sessions carefully. To help you figure out when's the best time to join the y-chromosomes, a smart idea is to employ a coach. Hiring a coach is the best way to insure that your training properly matches your current fitness level, skills and goals. Another plus to having a coach is that you have a knowledgeable and trustworthy friend in your corner to help you stick to your training plan not they guys'. The guys don't care if you destroy your fitness by joining them. Your coach does.
I'm not going to lie to you: Training within your limits will more than likely mean that you train alone. But by training solo, you don't have to fight the urge or pressure from the men to go faster. Don't get the wrong idea, well planned group workouts do have their benefits; they offer camaraderie for those long workouts, race simulations, and plenty of opportunities for max efforts when your training program calls for it. But if you have an interval day with very specific interval duration and intensity ranges, go solo; you'll have a more productive and effective workout. If you're lucky enough to have a spouse or boyfriend to train with, match your moderate to moderately-hard days to his easier training days so you have the best chance of actually riding together.
Your number one priority when it comes to devoting hundreds of hours to training it to look out for your best interests. Set those goals, stick with your plan and work with your coach on meeting and adjusting your daily training goals. Remember you don't want to win group training sessions on Tuesdays or Thursdays; you want to perform your best in races on the weekends, races against other women.
I learned from my mistake in college in time to salvage my season. I got a new coach, and I started training by myself the majority of the season. As a result of my focused effort, I earned a podium finish at the team time-trial event that year. Even now, 15 years later, I rarely deviate from my training program to join the guys. That's because winning medals feels so much better than being able to say, "I can keep up with the guys.
Ivana Bisaro MS of Colorado Springs, Colorado is a Pro Coach for Carmichael Training Systems. She's a cycling and road cycling specialist with coaching certifications from the U.S. Cycling Federation and the National Strength and Conditioning Association. She's also a NASN certified sports nutrionist. For more on the latest nutrition, fitness, and performance tips go to www.trainright.com/newsletter.
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Yes they should. No one seems to be mentioning the fact that for most atheltic sports the women CANT hold their own against the men, so all of the top sports would still be men. After all, why would a coach hire a woman if she isn't as good as a man since he is only interested in having the best team. In stuff that doesn't require physical prowess (golf, racing) they should be allowed to play.
Guys would totally dominate tennis, you think women can return 150+mph serves without mans best friend testosterone? Have you guys seen the legs on federer and roddick? Yeah, we should let them in, it wont make a difference as none of them will make it through first rounds. The reason they are separated is to make it fair. I dont think any decent professional female athlete is going to want to compete against men for this reason.
edit: apparently almost everyone mentioned it
Guys would totally dominate tennis, you think women can return 150+mph serves without mans best friend testosterone? Have you guys seen the legs on federer and roddick? Yeah, we should let them in, it wont make a difference as none of them will make it through first rounds. The reason they are separated is to make it fair. I dont think any decent professional female athlete is going to want to compete against men for this reason.
edit: apparently almost everyone mentioned it
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Originally Posted by Python2121
Yes they should. No one seems to be mentioning the fact that for most atheltic sports the women CANT hold their own against the men, so all of the top sports would still be men. After all, why would a coach hire a woman if she isn't as good as a man since he is only interested in having the best team. In stuff that doesn't require physical prowess (golf, racing) they should be allowed to play.
Guys would totally dominate tennis, you think women can return 150+mph serves without mans best friend testosterone? Have you guys seen the legs on federer and roddick? Yeah, we should let them in, it wont make a difference as none of them will make it through first rounds. The reason they are separated is to make it fair. I dont think any decent professional female athlete is going to want to compete against men for this reason.
edit: apparently almost everyone mentioned it
Guys would totally dominate tennis, you think women can return 150+mph serves without mans best friend testosterone? Have you guys seen the legs on federer and roddick? Yeah, we should let them in, it wont make a difference as none of them will make it through first rounds. The reason they are separated is to make it fair. I dont think any decent professional female athlete is going to want to compete against men for this reason.
edit: apparently almost everyone mentioned it
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Originally Posted by wasupdog
my initial response to this question is fcuk ass no, but there was a really good point brought up in an earlier post. i would love to see kobe and shaq on the same team in the WNBA.
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Using the WNBA vs NBA as an example of a contact sport, a mixed gender league would probably compel the sanctioning body to modify the rules (read: handicap men's performance: no dunking, no picks, ankle weights, etc,...) in order to balance the performance between men and women. Who would really want to watch that?
In non-contact sports like golf, we have already seen how Annika and Michelle (clearly the top 2 most talented women golfers) have fared in their PGA attempts. (And before I am accused of being a Bobby Riggs, let me just say that I am an avid golfer but KNOW Annika or Michelle would likely KILL me in just one round without much effort. )
I just hope that professional sports does not emulate the FDNY (or many universities) and lower standards just for the sake of "equality". This is one arena where seperate and equal should suffice and coexist well.
Although it would likely make Kim Gandy livid, Ivana Bisaro's article is right on the money.
In non-contact sports like golf, we have already seen how Annika and Michelle (clearly the top 2 most talented women golfers) have fared in their PGA attempts. (And before I am accused of being a Bobby Riggs, let me just say that I am an avid golfer but KNOW Annika or Michelle would likely KILL me in just one round without much effort. )
I just hope that professional sports does not emulate the FDNY (or many universities) and lower standards just for the sake of "equality". This is one arena where seperate and equal should suffice and coexist well.
Although it would likely make Kim Gandy livid, Ivana Bisaro's article is right on the money.
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Originally Posted by hornyleprechaun
When I was in high school I knew the Head tennis coach of Georgia Perimeter College.. local junior college, but they won 3 national championships in a row.. I had 2 of the players, who were from Sweden, stay at my place since my mom is Swedish.. anyway they said they could beat all the women except maybe the top10 consistently and they were only playing college tennis, so I would say just about any man on the pro circuit would come close to beating women in the top10 all the time
i remember seeing an interview with a top ranked female tennis player at the time and she flat out stated NO WAY-ever, females can even come close to men in tennis.
#31
For Little League sports, since opportunities and teams are not always available for both genders, yes - girls should definitely be allowed to play. For example, I played baseball (not softball) when I was much younger. I was the only girl on the team. In fact, I was only one of two or three girls in the entire league. What other options did I have -- there wasn't anything remotely close to an "all girls" league, or even team, for that matter. I think in general, my answer would really depend on the circumstances and opportunity for all to play.
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Originally Posted by Street Spirit
For Little League sports, since opportunities and teams are not always available for both genders, yes - girls should definitely be allowed to play. For example, I played baseball (not softball) when I was much younger. I was the only girl on the team. In fact, I was only one of two or three girls in the entire league. What other options did I have -- there wasn't anything remotely close to an "all girls" league, or even team, for that matter. I think in general, my answer would really depend on the circumstances and opportunity for all to play.
I think the original poster meant adult sports (pro, semi pro, rec, etc,...).
#33
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No, they have their own league. I don't care if they think they're better or think they are better than the men, if there is a woman's version of the league then that is what they should play in.
Reminds me of that lady who wanted to sue the boy scouts because they wouldn't let her DAUGHTER join.
Reminds me of that lady who wanted to sue the boy scouts because they wouldn't let her DAUGHTER join.
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Yes, they should be allowed to play in whatever they feel like. I dont see the problem with it.
That argument didnt work for education, I dont like it with sports either
That argument didnt work for education, I dont like it with sports either
#36
if they are good enough to play in the men's leagues, then they should be allowed to. anyone who disagrees with that is plain sexist and ignorant.
however, I don't think we should lower standards just to make things equal.. and I'm 100% certain that would never happen.
however, I don't think we should lower standards just to make things equal.. and I'm 100% certain that would never happen.
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Everyone assumes a rule change if a woman can play. If for whatever freakish natural reason a woman can bang with Shaq or Earl Boykins (short NBA player) for that matter, I wouldn't care if she was a woman. If she sucked and the NBA decided to equalize the league and help women, I'd be totally against it. I'd want 0 rule changes.
They have a woman's ref in the NBA. If she can do the job why shouldn't a female's player in the NBA? Everyone here (98% men) know that most men are better than women in sports, so it's pointless for us to invade the women's league. A guy who would barely make an NBA roster would probably still dominate the WNBA. I personally don't care if women can make the NBA because they're so good and men couldn't go into the WNBA. We all know in the back of our minds that men would dominate both leagues.
Disclosure: I'm not trying to sound or be sexist in any way. I have no intention to offend anyone. I was being strictly logical off evidence of previous events. I only used the NBA vs the WNBA as an example and would probably apply this to most professional leagues.
They have a woman's ref in the NBA. If she can do the job why shouldn't a female's player in the NBA? Everyone here (98% men) know that most men are better than women in sports, so it's pointless for us to invade the women's league. A guy who would barely make an NBA roster would probably still dominate the WNBA. I personally don't care if women can make the NBA because they're so good and men couldn't go into the WNBA. We all know in the back of our minds that men would dominate both leagues.
Disclosure: I'm not trying to sound or be sexist in any way. I have no intention to offend anyone. I was being strictly logical off evidence of previous events. I only used the NBA vs the WNBA as an example and would probably apply this to most professional leagues.
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Reminds me of what my high school health teacher said (female, btw): "Women are getting pretty good at sports. They're just about as good as the average guy."
Yeah...she was a nutcase.
Yeah...she was a nutcase.