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12-22-2005, 08:40 AM
#562
Originally Posted by NightShredder
Sellout? Would anyone here take less money from your company or firm that doesn't appreciate you as much as another company that is willing to pay you more $. That is just smart business IMO.
I think the recognition that those intangibles exist and hold actual value for many is what separates the Damon apologists and those who feel that he has sold out.
12-22-2005, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
But the difference is that I like working here. I actually enjoy coming in every day and I like the people I'm working for/with. That's worth more than a raise to me. I realize that someday I'll need to leave, but until that day comes I'm fine with making a little less than my full potential for the friends, atmosphere, and intangible benefits that I have working here.
12-22-2005, 01:14 PM
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12-22-2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Always Dirty
Yes. I'm working at a job at this very moment knowing full well that I could jump ship and make at least 15-20% more. But the difference is that I like working here. I actually enjoy coming in every day and I like the people I'm working for/with. That's worth more than a raise to me. I realize that someday I'll need to leave, but until that day comes I'm fine with making a little less than my full potential for the friends, atmosphere, and intangible benefits that I have working here.
I think the recognition that those intangibles exist and hold actual value for many is what separates the Damon apologists and those who feel that he has sold out.
I think the recognition that those intangibles exist and hold actual value for many is what separates the Damon apologists and those who feel that he has sold out.
12-22-2005, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
He talked about that in the interview on WEEI radio last night... and how he had thought with the lefty specialist Mike Myers signing with the Yanks, he would be tough to face... Now being on the same team as Myers, he won't have to face him either.
I'm really starting to think the Red Sox are "packing it in"... Dropping payroll to increase profits, since they already have brought a WS championship to Boston. Looks like they've got decent enough pitching to stay competitive, and because of the fenway faithful will still sellout all the games. I just don't know if the way the team is set up (right now), if we have any hope of finishing better then 3rd in the division (behind the yanks and the blue jays). I'm wondering if this was an ownership decision that was made prior to theo's leaving, and quite possibily one of the reasons theo left... Just throwing some ideas out there
I'm really starting to think the Red Sox are "packing it in"... Dropping payroll to increase profits, since they already have brought a WS championship to Boston. Looks like they've got decent enough pitching to stay competitive, and because of the fenway faithful will still sellout all the games. I just don't know if the way the team is set up (right now), if we have any hope of finishing better then 3rd in the division (behind the yanks and the blue jays). I'm wondering if this was an ownership decision that was made prior to theo's leaving, and quite possibily one of the reasons theo left... Just throwing some ideas out there
I hadnt thought of that, but all your points make it a valid charge.. sucks if its true
12-22-2005, 01:53 PM
#569
Originally Posted by Always Dirty
And we have every right to be mad at Damon - he's in charge and the agent works for him. He's a sellout because he went to the Yankees. Had he gone elsewhere I wouldn't be calling him that. He chased a couple of extra bucks right into the Yankee dugout - if that isn't fucking selling out I don't know what it. We'll have to deal with all the apologists for him running around, like yourself and all the women calling into WEEI, but it's my belief that he should be branded a traitor for what he did.
12-22-2005, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by esCarbonie
I hadnt thought of that, but all your points make it a valid charge.. sucks if its true
I haven't totally giving up hope yet
Now that I'm thinking about it, besides Manny, Schilling, and Varitek are any current Sox players making over 10M a year ?? I don't think so... Varitek was signed at 40M for 4, same as Renteria, same as was offered to Damon. Maybe there is new club policy with a 10M per year limit on per player payrolls now
I think you can definitely have a playoff calibre team without any one player making over 10M a year, but you really need to mimic what the Braves have done and develop (and retain) young talent in the farm leagues...
Maybe it's like the Patriots that don't have any superstars ('cept Brady).... Lawyer Malloy got too expensive, the pats let him walk.. Ty Law got expensive, they let him walk...
Maybe it's just a change in team philosophy (not overpaying for players, but developing cheaper alternatives), but without knowledge of the inner workings of the Red Sox baseball operation department, we can only guess...
12-22-2005, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
Oh wow.
12-22-2005, 03:40 PM
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speaking of the marlins check out the 98 team in this chart
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047
huizenga went apeshit
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047
huizenga went apeshit
12-22-2005, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Varitek was signed at 40M for 4, same as Renteria, same as was offered to Damon. Maybe there is new club policy with a 10M per year limit on per player payrolls now
No player will be signed for more then 10M unless he's a one the elite players in the game (like Schilling)...
Now it makes sense now... the sox do have a plan... thanks
12-22-2005, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Brilliant !! I think you've figured out the new red sox hiring system !!
No player will be signed for more then 10M unless he's a one the elite players in the game (like Schilling)...
Now it makes sense now... the sox do have a plan... thanks
No player will be signed for more then 10M unless he's a one the elite players in the game (like Schilling)...
Now it makes sense now... the sox do have a plan... thanks
12-22-2005, 06:40 PM
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12-22-2005, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
"Johnny Damon: looks like Jesus, throws like Mary, and betrays like Judas ..."
12-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by esCarbonie
speaking of the marlins check out the 98 team in this chart
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047
huizenga went apeshit
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2268047
huizenga went apeshit
12-22-2005, 11:38 PM
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Look at it this way: from now on, any time you see a replay of Jonny Damon getting his face caved in by Damian Jackson, it'll be as funny to you as it has always been to the rest of us.
-- Brian Pierce, Bowling Green, OH
12-22-2005, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TLover
And how many of those letters are from you 
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And what's with all the Star Wars :ghey:ness on that page?
"I'm so distraut after hearing the news of Johnny Damon going to the Yankees, I don't know what to think. Until now the Red Sox/Yankees and Star Wars comparisons have always been thin, but when I read the news I felt like Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 4 when Alderaan was destroyed."
"If the Yankees are the evil empire, and the Red Sox are the jedi, undoubtedly Johnny Damon is Anikin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader. The only quetion left is who is Luke?"
12-23-2005, 12:09 AM
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Well it looks like I'm not missing out on much. And it looks like Water-S is in a bad mood after hearing the news
"I hope Damon's arm comes flying off while he is trying to make a throw home and his hand and arm are still attached to the ball as it weekly lands in front of A-Rods foot and then A-Rod vomits and passes out and Joe Torre has to come out and give mouth to mouth to A-Rods bloated purple lips ... That would ease the pain of this trade"
WTF!!
12-23-2005, 12:49 AM
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i was on hold on a local sports radio show when this came out;
Cubs offer Prior for Tejada.
No., please don't do it. That's all I got to say. ESPNews reported it, and the polls showed that, other than Chicago, the entire nation takes it as a no-brainer. I myself would hate this trade. Now, the Cubs also offered 3 top prospects and cash, which would be fine for me. That would probably not get it done.
Cubs offer Prior for Tejada.
No., please don't do it. That's all I got to say. ESPNews reported it, and the polls showed that, other than Chicago, the entire nation takes it as a no-brainer. I myself would hate this trade. Now, the Cubs also offered 3 top prospects and cash, which would be fine for me. That would probably not get it done.
12-23-2005, 07:57 AM
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The Yanks may have gotten Damon, but we stole John Flaherty from the yanks 
Flaherty started with the sox in 1992...
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._from_yankees/
Flaherty started with the sox in 1992...
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._from_yankees/
12-23-2005, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
The Yanks may have gotten Damon, but we stole John Flaherty from the yanks
Flaherty started with the sox in 1992...
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._from_yankees/
Flaherty started with the sox in 1992...
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._from_yankees/
What happened to Mirabelli?
12-23-2005, 10:50 AM
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Elrod. I read he's was dressed as Santa on Wed. I've never called a sports talk radio show but I did call a radio show on a sports channel. They were taking about the Archie comics and I had to chime in.
12-23-2005, 02:50 PM
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"Damon will regret this. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but as soon as he gets his tires slashed in Boston."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=caple/051221
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...e=caple/051221
12-23-2005, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
What happened to Mirabelli?
and we could really use a shortstop (since we traded 2 of those away, Renteria and Hanley Ramirez) 
