NFL: Junior Seau Dead
#41
And I'm getting a little tired of people blaming the NFL for the current conditions from making hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not million of dollars to play a game that people know can fuck you up for life.
#42
OK, my opinion, move on, you're not going to change it. Seems to be a lot of help out there for ex NFL players for this shit and taking the easy way out, instead of trying to fight it. I listen to many on the TV talk about him. I heard nothing of him being in treatment to help with this.
And I'm getting a little tired of people blaming the NFL for the current conditions from making hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not million of dollars to play a game that people know can fuck you up for life.
And I'm getting a little tired of people blaming the NFL for the current conditions from making hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not million of dollars to play a game that people know can fuck you up for life.
BTW, there is no way to fight CTE. Very little is know about it. Even finding out whether you have it must be done post-mortem.
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#49
fact is that i view suicide as an easy out regardless of what ails u. if ur an old ass shriveled up raisin that has nothing left to contribute then so be it. but when u have a family that still depends on u, then i am not as forgiving. seek help, do something, anything, but at that age with so much life ahead of u and with kids to mentor and raise... what are u teaching them? when u have a headache and confused and life is hard put a slug through ur chest? c'mon!! u don't have to agree with it but that's my
point is, what he did, he didn't just do to himself... he did it to his family/kids.
#50
I dont know if it was CTE, but it sounded like a totally compulsive act which wasnt based upon anything which would normally preclude suicide
#52
You should check out the Science Friday podcast, second hour from 4/27/2012...
http://www.sciencefriday.com/feeds/radio/
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect....120427-hr2.mp3
http://www.sciencefriday.com/feeds/radio/
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect....120427-hr2.mp3
#53
Shame what happened. Being my nickname was/is Junior... our coach used to call me Seau sometimes. I really like watching him play.
#55
fact is that i view suicide as an easy out regardless of what ails u. if ur an old ass shriveled up raisin that has nothing left to contribute then so be it. but when u have a family that still depends on u, then i am not as forgiving. seek help, do something, anything, but at that age with so much life ahead of u and with kids to mentor and raise... what are u teaching them? when u have a headache and confused and life is hard put a slug through ur chest? c'mon!! u don't have to agree with it but that's my
point is, what he did, he didn't just do to himself... he did it to his family/kids.
point is, what he did, he didn't just do to himself... he did it to his family/kids.
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#59
I will say that I have to agree with these points, but will withhold judgement in the case that what he did was not premeditated.
As for this, there is absolutely no reason to blame the players. The players are not the ones who make the rules or create the incentives. If your argument is that they find another job, I call .
About half of the money in the NFL goes to 32 owners, and about the other half goes to 1664, 32*52 (conservatively), players. How many jobs out there place the responsibility of safety and on site accident recovery on the employees? I would be a drop in the ocean for the owners to each buck up a little dough to fund the research and rehab for these players. I can guarantee you the players are already paying for their own parts.
Junior.
About half of the money in the NFL goes to 32 owners, and about the other half goes to 1664, 32*52 (conservatively), players. How many jobs out there place the responsibility of safety and on site accident recovery on the employees? I would be a drop in the ocean for the owners to each buck up a little dough to fund the research and rehab for these players. I can guarantee you the players are already paying for their own parts.
Junior.
#60
From the ages of 8/9/10yrs old - 17/18 yrs old there were 2 guy I wanted to be... Lawrence Taylor and Junior Seau... I ended up playing Pop Warner ~ High School Varsity ball as right side (strong side) Line Backer. Today I am 37yrs old... This is how long this guy has been doing this and inspiring so many, like myself and thousands after me. Even if this tarnishes any possibility of HOF (Hall of Fame)... He will always be a HOF'er in my book. period!
...For what ever reason, I don't judge. RIP my childhood hero.
...For what ever reason, I don't judge. RIP my childhood hero.
Last edited by JayVee; 05-04-2012 at 09:18 AM.
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Anyone who want's to call Junior a coward for what he did, contemplate a few things.
1)He knew he was mentally unstable, would you feel better if he had some brain trauma issues that led him to kill or hurt his family?
2)He knew something was wrong with his brain. People who commit suicide by gun almost always shoot themselves in the head, it's the method that is most likely to instantly kill you.
Junior didn't do this, he shot himself in the stomach, a method which is much less likely to actually kill you and will make you suffer a longer and more painful death if you are successful.
Why did Junior shoot himself in the stomach? As a last act of his incredible COURAGE and PHILANTHROPY. A coward would have shot themselves in the head and took the easy way out. Junior did not want to blow his brains out, he knew that there was value in them being intact so research could be done.
He's more courageous than any of you. He took a very painful exit from this world to preserve his brain for the greater good. He had real courage not to be confused with the keyboard courage displayed here.
1)He knew he was mentally unstable, would you feel better if he had some brain trauma issues that led him to kill or hurt his family?
2)He knew something was wrong with his brain. People who commit suicide by gun almost always shoot themselves in the head, it's the method that is most likely to instantly kill you.
Junior didn't do this, he shot himself in the stomach, a method which is much less likely to actually kill you and will make you suffer a longer and more painful death if you are successful.
Why did Junior shoot himself in the stomach? As a last act of his incredible COURAGE and PHILANTHROPY. A coward would have shot themselves in the head and took the easy way out. Junior did not want to blow his brains out, he knew that there was value in them being intact so research could be done.
He's more courageous than any of you. He took a very painful exit from this world to preserve his brain for the greater good. He had real courage not to be confused with the keyboard courage displayed here.
#62
Any word on the family's decision to donate his brain or not? Hoping they do.
And I posted this in the Dave Duerson thread, and recommend reading the linked article if you'd like.
And I posted this in the Dave Duerson thread, and recommend reading the linked article if you'd like.
I've been really intrigued by what they're finding with these tests, especially after reading this article. Almost makes you sick to your stomach.
Long, but highly recommended:
http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.co...ers-brain.html
Long, but highly recommended:
http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.co...ers-brain.html
#63
I believe I DID hear they decided to let his brain go to research afterall, I think they initially didn't want that. (but I might be wrong)
#64
Anyone who want's to call Junior a coward for what he did, contemplate a few things.
1)He knew he was mentally unstable, would you feel better if he had some brain trauma issues that led him to kill or hurt his family?
2)He knew something was wrong with his brain. People who commit suicide by gun almost always shoot themselves in the head, it's the method that is most likely to instantly kill you.
Junior didn't do this, he shot himself in the stomach, a method which is much less likely to actually kill you and will make you suffer a longer and more painful death if you are successful.
Why did Junior shoot himself in the stomach? As a last act of his incredible COURAGE and PHILANTHROPY. A coward would have shot themselves in the head and took the easy way out. Junior did not want to blow his brains out, he knew that there was value in them being intact so research could be done.
He's more courageous than any of you. He took a very painful exit from this world to preserve his brain for the greater good. He had real courage not to be confused with the keyboard courage displayed here.
1)He knew he was mentally unstable, would you feel better if he had some brain trauma issues that led him to kill or hurt his family?
2)He knew something was wrong with his brain. People who commit suicide by gun almost always shoot themselves in the head, it's the method that is most likely to instantly kill you.
Junior didn't do this, he shot himself in the stomach, a method which is much less likely to actually kill you and will make you suffer a longer and more painful death if you are successful.
Why did Junior shoot himself in the stomach? As a last act of his incredible COURAGE and PHILANTHROPY. A coward would have shot themselves in the head and took the easy way out. Junior did not want to blow his brains out, he knew that there was value in them being intact so research could be done.
He's more courageous than any of you. He took a very painful exit from this world to preserve his brain for the greater good. He had real courage not to be confused with the keyboard courage displayed here.
Last edited by BigPZ; 05-22-2012 at 12:57 AM.
#65
Junior Seau had brain disease CTE
Junior Seau, one of the NFL's best and fiercest players for two decades, suffered from a degenerative brain disease often associated with repeated blows to the head when he committed suicide last May, the National Institutes of Health said in a study released Thursday.
The NIH, based in Bethesda, Md., said Seau's brain revealed abnormalities consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE. It said that the study included unidentified brains, one of which was Seau's, and that the findings on Seau were similar to autopsies of people "with exposure to repetitive head injuries."
Seau's family requested the analysis of his brain.
The star linebacker played for 20 NFL seasons with San Diego, Miami and New England before retiring in 2009. He died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound.
He joins a list of several dozen football players who were found to have CTE. Boston University's center for study of the disease reported last month that 34 former pro players and nine who played only college football suffered from CTE.
"I was not surprised after learning a little about CTE that he had it," Seau's 23-year-old son Tyler said. "He did play so many years at that level. I was more just kind of angry I didn't do something more and have the awareness to help him more, and now it is too late.
"I don't think any of us were aware of the side effects that could be going on with head trauma until he passed away. We didn't know his behavior was from head trauma."
TROTTER: FRED MCCRARY RECALLS COLLISION WITH SEAU
That behavior, according to Tyler Seau and Junior's ex-wife Gina, included wild mood swings, irrationality, forgetfulness, insomnia and depression.
The NFL faces lawsuits by thousands of former players who say the league withheld information on the harmful effects concussions. According to an AP review of 175 lawsuits, 3,818 players have sued. At least 26 Hall of Famer members are among the players who have done so.
Seau is not the first former NFL player who killed himself, then was found to have CTE. Dave Duerson and Ray Easterling are the others.
"He emotionally detached himself and would kind of `go away' for a little bit," Tyler Seau said. "And then the depression and things like that. It started to progressively get worse."
He hid it well in public, they said. But not when he was with family or close friends.
Dr. Russell Lonser, who oversaw the study, said Seau's brain was "independently evaluated by multiple experts, in a blind fashion."
"We had the opportunity to get multiple experts involved in a way they wouldn't be able to directly identify his tissue even if they knew he was one of the individuals studied," he said.
The National Football League, in an email to the AP, said: "We appreciate the Seau family's cooperation with the National Institutes of Health. The finding underscores the recognized need for additional research to accelerate a fuller understanding of CTE.
"The NFL, both directly and in partnership with the NIH, Centers for Disease Control and other leading organizations, is committed to supporting a wide range of independent medical and scientific research that will both address CTE and promote the long-term health and safety of athletes at all levels."
NFL teams have given a $30 million research grant to the NIH.
Before shooting himself, Duerson, a former Chicago Bears defensive back, left a note asking that his brain be studied for signs of trauma. His family filed a wrongful-death suit against the NFL, claiming the league didn't do enough to prevent or treat the concussions that severely damaged his brain.
Easterling played safety for the Falcons in the 1970s. After his career, he suffered from dementia, depression and insomnia, according to his wife, Mary Ann. He committed suicide last April.
Mary Ann Easterling is among the plaintiffs who have sued the NFL.
"It was important to us to get to the bottom of this, the truth," Gina Seau said, "and now that it has been conclusively determined from every expert that he had obviously had it, CTE, we just hope it is taken more seriously.
"You can't deny it exists, and it is hard to deny there is a link between head trauma and CTE. There's such strong evidence correlating head trauma and collisions and CTE."
Tyler Seau played football through high school and for two years in college. He says he has no symptoms of brain trauma.
Gina Seau's son Jake, now a high school junior, played football for two seasons but has switched to lacrosse and has been recruited to play at Duke.
"Lacrosse is really his sport and what he is passionate about," she said. "He is a good football player and probably could continue. But especially now watching what his dad went through, he says, `Why would I risk lacrosse for football?'
"I didn't have to have a discussion with him after we saw what Junior went through."
Her 12-year-old son, Hunter, has shown no interest in playing football.
"That's fine with me," she said.
The NIH, based in Bethesda, Md., said Seau's brain revealed abnormalities consistent with chronic traumatic encephalopathy or CTE. It said that the study included unidentified brains, one of which was Seau's, and that the findings on Seau were similar to autopsies of people "with exposure to repetitive head injuries."
Seau's family requested the analysis of his brain.
The star linebacker played for 20 NFL seasons with San Diego, Miami and New England before retiring in 2009. He died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound.
He joins a list of several dozen football players who were found to have CTE. Boston University's center for study of the disease reported last month that 34 former pro players and nine who played only college football suffered from CTE.
"I was not surprised after learning a little about CTE that he had it," Seau's 23-year-old son Tyler said. "He did play so many years at that level. I was more just kind of angry I didn't do something more and have the awareness to help him more, and now it is too late.
"I don't think any of us were aware of the side effects that could be going on with head trauma until he passed away. We didn't know his behavior was from head trauma."
TROTTER: FRED MCCRARY RECALLS COLLISION WITH SEAU
That behavior, according to Tyler Seau and Junior's ex-wife Gina, included wild mood swings, irrationality, forgetfulness, insomnia and depression.
The NFL faces lawsuits by thousands of former players who say the league withheld information on the harmful effects concussions. According to an AP review of 175 lawsuits, 3,818 players have sued. At least 26 Hall of Famer members are among the players who have done so.
Seau is not the first former NFL player who killed himself, then was found to have CTE. Dave Duerson and Ray Easterling are the others.
"He emotionally detached himself and would kind of `go away' for a little bit," Tyler Seau said. "And then the depression and things like that. It started to progressively get worse."
He hid it well in public, they said. But not when he was with family or close friends.
Dr. Russell Lonser, who oversaw the study, said Seau's brain was "independently evaluated by multiple experts, in a blind fashion."
"We had the opportunity to get multiple experts involved in a way they wouldn't be able to directly identify his tissue even if they knew he was one of the individuals studied," he said.
The National Football League, in an email to the AP, said: "We appreciate the Seau family's cooperation with the National Institutes of Health. The finding underscores the recognized need for additional research to accelerate a fuller understanding of CTE.
"The NFL, both directly and in partnership with the NIH, Centers for Disease Control and other leading organizations, is committed to supporting a wide range of independent medical and scientific research that will both address CTE and promote the long-term health and safety of athletes at all levels."
NFL teams have given a $30 million research grant to the NIH.
Before shooting himself, Duerson, a former Chicago Bears defensive back, left a note asking that his brain be studied for signs of trauma. His family filed a wrongful-death suit against the NFL, claiming the league didn't do enough to prevent or treat the concussions that severely damaged his brain.
Easterling played safety for the Falcons in the 1970s. After his career, he suffered from dementia, depression and insomnia, according to his wife, Mary Ann. He committed suicide last April.
Mary Ann Easterling is among the plaintiffs who have sued the NFL.
"It was important to us to get to the bottom of this, the truth," Gina Seau said, "and now that it has been conclusively determined from every expert that he had obviously had it, CTE, we just hope it is taken more seriously.
"You can't deny it exists, and it is hard to deny there is a link between head trauma and CTE. There's such strong evidence correlating head trauma and collisions and CTE."
Tyler Seau played football through high school and for two years in college. He says he has no symptoms of brain trauma.
Gina Seau's son Jake, now a high school junior, played football for two seasons but has switched to lacrosse and has been recruited to play at Duke.
"Lacrosse is really his sport and what he is passionate about," she said. "He is a good football player and probably could continue. But especially now watching what his dad went through, he says, `Why would I risk lacrosse for football?'
"I didn't have to have a discussion with him after we saw what Junior went through."
Her 12-year-old son, Hunter, has shown no interest in playing football.
"That's fine with me," she said.
Related story:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl...3_a4&eref=sihp
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