He chose not to bend. I'm not saying that was wrong by any stretch, but it's a decision he made that had predictable consequences. He sacrificed his career for his cause. It's a commendable act. But, that decision rests on him. When you have a job where public opinion influences revenue, how you conduct yourself matters.

If I engaged in a behavior that cost my company money they'd be well within their right to let me go and no one would blink. Why is this any different? When he's at a game, he's on company time. That's not his personal time. He's protesting while he's on the clock. Like I said the consequences were very predictable - he knew how this was going to end and he chose to continue. At any point, he could have said, "I've made my point and for the good of the game I'm going to discontinue that form of protest but will carry on my cause" and no one would have thought the less of him.

 

I don't want to appear to be defending the hypocrisy - it's terrible. The NFL will retain players until the bottom line is impacted which means they tolerate a bunch of stuff I think they shouldn't. Just look at how many abusers of children and women are still playing. I blame the NFL for a weak set of morals and standards. But it's clear the bar for them traces to revenue. If the same quantity of people expressed the kind of outrage at these abusers as they did for Kaep they'd be gone too. Problem is they don't. And I'm not trying to say it was fair that Kaep got what he did over exercising a first amendment right.

But many things in life aren't fair. And all that being said I think Kaep knew where this would end. He's not that naive. Even though the whole thing was unfair and over-blown, he had ways out.

 

If you wore a gay pride shirt to work and your company lost a customer over that, would you still consider them well within their right to fire you?

Your comments come off as insisting that any personal expression has no place at work and employers have every right to control any or all of them as they see fit.

 

I dont know if fired is the right term to describe what happened to Kaep

 

I'm of the opinion that when you are on company time you represent the company. If your personal expressions conflict with company values, and the company has made those values clear, then you need to set those aside while on company time. So yes, I do think they have a right to control those expressions when they've set a policy. I would strongly suspect that in your example above, if wearing gay pride shirts was not already covered under the rules than I doubt someone gets fired without a warning. But once they know, and they wear it again, the consequences are on them. I also think if someone objects to that, work somewhere else. The company isn't paying you to be a gay pride advocate. Do that on your own time.

Turns out my company sells pride shirts, so...

I'm probably tainted becasue my first working experience was in the military and they do tell you what you can and can't do both on and off the job. So it's not an unusual thing for me....

Edit: To Joneill's point, I agree Kaep wasn't fired. It was probably a more passive-aggressive version of being fired, but still he wasn't just dropped. And he had plenty of warning about where his behavior was headed. Again I'll make the point - he had many off-ramps where he could have made his point and still continued to play. He chose not to.

 

On the topic of him losing a company money... Nike valuations are up 18% since they signed him.

 

I know he has a lot of support out there, just needs to find the right spot where what he want's to do has more support.

 

No correlation between the two. No products or advertising involving him since the signing

 

I think it's going to be difficult to find any correlation between Kaepernick protesting and profitability. I remember some people trying to connect the dots with TV ratings being down because of the kneeling.

Way too many factors involved.

 

This. But you can't compare the NFL to a regular job. It's like comparing the presidency to a regular job. There are extraordinary exceptions and the NFL is one of them. I get logic and hypocrisy but that's not reality.

This. Sure you'll have a handful of those mad and those who will buy Nike to support him but this is a bell shaped curve. The fat part in the middle is the people that just want gear that looks good, well priced, etc. Shit I've talked mad shit about the NFL but I pay $20/month for the Ticket on my PS4.

 

Great introspective from Turley, I think many of us remember that helmet toss. He reflects on Myles Garrett, who in 2017 reported having three concussions up to that point.

https://theathletic.com/1401857/2019...shared-article

I swear I’m not a shill, but The Athletic is great for these kinds of behind the scenes and in depth articles.

 

I have zero cares for the Cowboys but, nothing like "tripping" penalties called against them to help NE, does it? Anything for the Pats to win. Anything.

 

Ya that's a tough one. There is a small leg extension but not to the point of a penalty.

They got called for it twice today. I can't remember the last time I've seen two tripping penalties called in a game. Could be a situation where they brought it to the refs attention that the lineman like to do it

 

Neither call was actually a trip. But whatever. Pat's will go nowhere in the playoffs.

 

Without cheating, phantom calls against the other team, and no-looking-touching-breathing-on-Brady, I agree.

But, since they have all 3, they will win it all.

 

49ers' Defense!

 

Got the chance to be on the field for pre-game, saw Roger Craig! Didn’t get the chance to take a pic

Kittle pic is not mine but funny regardless

 

Also, FTP

 

Cool pics! That must have been fun to be on the field like that!

 

People forget Rodgers is extremely average on the road. A damn shame

 

SF looks like a beast tonight.

 

Rogers no like Californian teams. THAT, being said, the Packers only have like one tough team to play for the rest of the season

 

 

Imagine averaging 3.2 yds per pass attempt

This game was a damn near shutout, no thanks to a couple of weak calls to help extend drives #justPackersthings

 

Weather brutal at Foxborough. Game was boring so we watched my friend get hammered and pass out on my couch till 10pm

 

I couldn't watch tonight's game but looks like Rams had 22 total rushing yards, Lamar Jackson alone rushed for 95 yards

 

Game of the year next week when they play SF

 

Ever since Vangio broke LA in the game last year against Chicago (Pats used the same scheme against them in the SB), the Rams are not the same. Something is broke with their offense.

 

I’m scared. Mobile QBs are this defense’s weakness

Kwon Alexander was the only non-DB I could see containing Lamar, but the guy is on IR

 

Shit I have San Fran and Baltimore D. Who do I start?

 

You can probably pick one at random. That's a good problem to have.

I got mathematically eliminated yesterday. What kills me is if you read this starting lineup at the end of August you'd have thought I'd kill it this season. Turns out not so much...

QB: Winston or Wentz
RB: Barkley
WR: Evans, Woods
Flex: Mixon, D. Montgomery, K. Johnson
TE: Kittle

Turns out it's a skank squad for the most part. Best player on my roster outside Kittle is freaking DJ Chark. At least I can keep him cheap next season.

 

The two guys in our league (12 team) who have Rodgers and Mahomes are in 10th and 12th place. Crazy year

 

Same in our league - and those two went really early. I was discussing with a friend how weird this season is for fantasy. SO many top 20 picks performing way below their ADP. Lots of big names that are just plain busts. And then you have these 3rd/4th/5th rounders just killing it. This season is really just about if you have a few players or you don't. If you don't have one of the small handful of players killing it, it's really hard to compete against the ones that do.

 

That's what's good about FF. It's not just draft a monster squad and sit on them all year. It's an changing organism that needs to be taken care of. Def gotta churn out the bottom quarter of your roster to pick up that stud. I def didn't draft those D's

 

Yup

Though to Louder’s point, last time I played and won the chip two years ago, I was fortunate and drafted AB, plus Gurley.

But AB was injured down the line. Had to rely on a rookie Juju and garbage time king Bortles, two guys I picked up late in the season

 

I did get a couple of great pickups during the season - DJ Chark, Devin Singletary, even Ronald Jones II who's been decent for a couple weeks. But I had the #1 overall pick, and it's a tough hill to climb when your #1 (Barkely) and #2 (Mixon) fall WAY short of expectations (note we have a keeper league and a LOT of top 10 RBs were kept, which is why Mixon was best available at 13). So did Woods, and so did Montgomery. We have a 12 team league with 18 roster spots - you basically have to be lucky on the waiver wire and get a handcuff to an injured stud to really make any headway.

It's just all part of the game, but I've been playing since 2007 and I can't recall a year that so many players were so out of whack with their ADP.

 

RIP Sean Taylor. 12 yrs today

 

FF has been rough for me too... 2nd most points scored but most points scored against has me sitting at 6th. I also took Mixon so I feel your pain. Mark Ingram was a godsend as a later pick though, I almost didn't take him after being stuck with Alex Collins last season

 

Luckily there's 2 games tomorrow but Bears/Lions is a

 

It is crazy how the Ravens retooled their offense. Greg Roman may win assistant coach of the year.

Mark Ingram, small power back wearing 21... interesting similarities to that Niners offense too.