Joneill44

Good for Romo. Never really had anything negative towards him, seemed like a good guy

Joneill44

"Patriots are giving former Bills CB Stephon Gilmore a five-year, $65 million deal that includes $40 million guaranteed, per source."

Joneill44

Alshon to Philly

Doom878

What is going on????

Costco

^^^what the hell is going on?!

Browns literally bought a 2nd rounder from the Texans. They now have 11 picks in each of the next two drafts

Also theh Eagles picked up Alshon Jeffrey to add onto Torrey Smith

imj0257

iTrader: (1)

Osweiler is trash.. even the Browns don't want him.

1Louder

Sheesh I had to read an entire article to figure it out.

So Osweiler + 2017 6th round pick + 2018 2nd round pick for a 2017 4th round pick.
Theory being Osweiler's $16M salary is something no team wants to pay, but the only way to get that off their books is a trade. But they have to sweeten the deal with extra picks for another team to bite at the $16M price tag.

So Cleveland, for $16M + a 4th, purchased a 6th and 2nd round pick basically. If they can generate some interest for Osweiler, they may even be able to offset that some, or use him as a backup or something.

Nicks2001tl

Jay Cutler gone! Jets maybe?

EhkoXC

When I first heard the news my stomach dropped, I thought they actually went out and tried to get Osweiler. Once I read the actual details of the trade and that the Browns are probably just going to release him I realized what a brilliant trade it was. These kinds of moves basically never happen in the NFL, but I guess teams having $100+ million in salary cap doesn't really ever happen either. Great move by the Browns on this one, plus a bunch of pretty solid signings today.

Joneill44

Doom878

Browns paid millions for guards. Meanwhile Patriots 3 interior OL-men total a couple million. And we've all been on here praising their O-Line.

EhkoXC

That works when you're established and can replace guys one at a time, not in a full rebuild and setting up what should be the cornerstone of your team for the next 5 years. Plus, they have more cap space than they know what to do with at this point.

Yumcha

Bears need help at secondary and at WR.

svtmike

Alshon Jeffery, Brandon Marshall and Martellus Bennett were all available.

Yumcha

Jeffery said no and took the Eagles offer instead. And obviously, Marshall is not a fit.

Bears instead get a speedy decent potential #2 WR from the Steelies...albeit, he was injured mostly last year and Chicago doesn't exactly have a Big Ben. Whatever...I'm expecting another middling/horrid season next.

svtmike

Yeah I see no reason for optimism.

Doom878

In a full rebuild you don't pay the highest paid guard. Guards and centers are typically positions that you don't start off in a(nother) rebuild with big contracts. Certainly there are better ways to use that cap space. You don't need to win the free agency Super Bowl. Typically in the NFL you pay QB, LT, run stuffing DT, Pass rushing DE, CB, and S. Most of the other positions are interchangeable.

Costco

Looks like Cousins will be a 49er in 2018, not 2017 I feel really bad for Redskins fans though.

I think Cutler did decent given his turnstile of OCs. Probably the best QB the Bears have had since Sid Luckman, but he was a god compared to his contemporaries. I am unsure if Wheaton will do much on the Bears, it says a lot about how the Steelers can find a receiver deep in the draft, plug him in and get 1,000 yds, year in and year out. They're like the '00s Broncos with RBs

jupitersolo

If 9ers give up enough, can be there this year. But Skins can tag him again next year.

EhkoXC

The Raiders start to their rebuild would like a word with you...

jupitersolo

Don't be too hard him, he didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express and has never worked a NFL front office. Browns have 100 million dollars to spend. Guarding the QB what most try to do, to become a better team. :wink:

Yumcha

Cutler, when good is the best QB the Bears had in forever. Mind you, you'll laugh, I did not mind the limited time Chicago had with Jim Miller. He had quite the arm and some of his deep throws were awesome...too bad he could never stay healthy. Anyways, when Cutler did NOT have protection much in his first few years with the Bears, you thought, well, those horrid INTs were a result of the guy running for his life. They then got him the protection and well, it did not help. THAT being said, having a different HC and OC so often messed him up.

Again, I say: If Cutler had some semblance of system and continuity like Brady...you think he'd be this "bad"? I doubt it. Still, it's too late...Bears have to start over behind center. You have to wonder how long the Fox era will last with Chicago. I suspect another turnstile in a year or two.

Same ol' Lions applies to the Bears too. Same ol' Bears.

Costco

They could, but that would be a very Dan Snyder thing to do. No team has tagged a player three times before IIRC, let alone three years in a row, because it doesn't financially make sense.

The 49ers were smart in signing Hoyer as a stopgap, that dropped Cousins' trade value to the Niners. 49ers are in full rebuild mode anyway, they can wait another year. Cousins wants to be back with Shanahan, but Snyder cockblocked the trade because of Shanahan.

Costco

Don't say system and Brady in the same sentence, you'll trigger Joneill

Yumcha

Joneill44

Im good. I just rewatched this last night to remind myself of TB12 greatness

Yumcha

I'm sorry I even said "Brady" and "system" nao.







@ myself...

Costco

Not sure of the validity of it, but that was from a Redskins beat reporter yesterday.

Also, last February Cousins' agent asked for a 3-year, 19.5M/year deal and the Redskins said no.

jupitersolo

Unless I see a official from the team say something, I don't believe shit I see from those trying to "report" the news. All this morning it's been trouble in DC because Cousins didn't sign his contract "yet". Day fracking 2, of FA season. He signs late morning. Effing idiots on TV trying to fill 28 hours a day in TV, and then, the reporters trying to become famous.

Everyone making a fucking federal case that the Redskins have fired another GM. They would have to, if he can't do the job because of his demons. They keep showing footage of a Scott Mc with players and on the sidelines. I've been around long enough to see in his face, that he abuses the booze. This is three teams that have let him go because of this. Hope he is able to fight this demon.

Doom878

Raiders weren't as terrible as the Browns 2 years ago. They drafted Carr and Cooper which is a greater reason to their success. The Raiders signed Osemele after going 7-9 when everyone and their mother knew they were going to be good because they already had a QB in place. The Browns come off 3 and 1 win seasons with no QB in sight. Mind you, Cleveland had probably the best LT of the last decade and couldn't accomplish much.

No I'm paraphrasing what I've read and heard over the years from professional sportswriters who study the game and get their info from league execs/scouts/etc. And to further my point, tackles block more against "pass rushing" ends and outside linebackers who blitz and attack the QB more than guards. Tackles are more athletic and faster and thus more expensive, the reason you pay a bigger premium for them. Not to mention just because you have a ton of space doesn't mean you blow it one offseason to be paper champs.

Doom878

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night? :wink:

Joneill44

Bennett to the Packers

svtmike

jupitersolo

just fucking with ya!

But the one pic is he with Seattle clean, the other last season, that is an Irishman who is heavy in the bottle.

Joneill44

Hahahahahaha Cooks to the Pats for a 1st round pick

Joneill44

EhkoXC

The Browns consistently got blown up in the middle of the line last year. Throw in on top of that that the draft is generally weak in the area of offensive line, but very, very strong for defensive players. This allows the Browns to focus heavily on picking up defensive playmakers while they've given the QBs more protection next year and allowed for more room in the running game as well. You can win with guys like Kessler under center, not a Super Bowl mind you, but that's not the goal for next year anyway, This was never meant to be a "get rich quick scheme" rebuild, but rather they're building methodically. Keep in mind too, the oldest guys on this roster will still only be around 30 years old. This is a very young team that has some good talent, but a massive deficit in depth. By doing what they did, they're able to add both front-line talent and depth and build something that won't be a flash in the pan when/if it pays off. I know everyone thinks "same old Browns," but the approach to this team build is very, very, very different from anything they've done before.

Doom878

I know for a fact it's not definitely not same old Browns because DePodesta is trying to infuse his moneyball analytics into the mix so I get the theory. Definitely too soon to judge.

1Louder

Eddie Lacy to Seattle.

Costco