NBA players should be paid to play in Olympics?!?
05-03-2005, 09:35 AM
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That's where we disagree. The last Olympic bball team were a bunch of whiney crybaby bitches. 
Don't you remember the stories. I give a ton of credit to Larry Brown for what he did with what he had.
Don't you remember the stories. I give a ton of credit to Larry Brown for what he did with what he had.And the fact that some of those noshows might come next time if they got money for it is even more disgusting.
05-03-2005, 10:01 AM
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I'm definitely more in favor of the collegiate ball players representing the Olympics. But if it has to be the NBA players, I say make the NBA champs of that year compete in the Olympics 'cause the chemistry otherwise seems terrible. 
(Sidenote: I'm aware of the growing number of foreign players in the NBA that may want to represent their home country but too bad...if they're on an NBA champion team then just deal with it)
Just my opinion.
(Sidenote: I'm aware of the growing number of foreign players in the NBA that may want to represent their home country but too bad...if they're on an NBA champion team then just deal with it)Just my opinion.
05-03-2005, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by NSXNEXT
That's where we disagree. The last Olympic bball team were a bunch of whiney crybaby bitches. Don't you remember the stories. I give a ton of credit to Larry Brown for what he did with what he had.
Don't you remember the stories. I give a ton of credit to Larry Brown for what he did with what he had.And the idea of tryouts is a great idea. They will allow those who are actually interested in playing in the Olympics play and those who are just interested in money can have their vacation.
05-03-2005, 10:31 AM
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I love this line:
IIRC, the interest in the NBA has been dropping steadily for years. You can walk up to almost any ticket window on game night - even now during the playoffs - and buy tickets. I remember reading about the Charlotte Hornets having to move people from the cheap seats down into where the cameras showed just so it didn't look so bad.
"You're dealing with a different animal than the other sports," Allen said. "You've got people who are selling out buildings (venues)..."
05-03-2005, 11:37 AM
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To add to what I mentioned earlier....
In the olympics, in every other sport (track, swimming, women's softball, skiing, bobsledding, gymnastics, etc.), their event is widely considered to be the pinnacle of their sport. That is the absolute highest point, and as a result it is what the athletes in those events strive for.... to win a gold medal in that event.
In Basketball, the olympic event is not the pinnacle. The NBA is the pinnacle. The NBA is what almost all basketball players strive for. Players from other countries have long used the olympics as a stage to showcase their talent for the NBA (Toni Kukoc, just to name one) in conjunction with winning a gold medal. In that respect, you are dealing with a different animal than the other sports. You are dealing with players who have reached the top, as far as their sport is concerned. Granted, there is something to be said for winning a gold medal, but the significance of doing so is entirely different than any other olympic sport.
That being said, it only serves to explain why "the best players" may not be as eager to go to the olympics as they are in other sports. It does not serve to explain why anyone should be paid to do so.
In the olympics, in every other sport (track, swimming, women's softball, skiing, bobsledding, gymnastics, etc.), their event is widely considered to be the pinnacle of their sport. That is the absolute highest point, and as a result it is what the athletes in those events strive for.... to win a gold medal in that event.
In Basketball, the olympic event is not the pinnacle. The NBA is the pinnacle. The NBA is what almost all basketball players strive for. Players from other countries have long used the olympics as a stage to showcase their talent for the NBA (Toni Kukoc, just to name one) in conjunction with winning a gold medal. In that respect, you are dealing with a different animal than the other sports. You are dealing with players who have reached the top, as far as their sport is concerned. Granted, there is something to be said for winning a gold medal, but the significance of doing so is entirely different than any other olympic sport.
That being said, it only serves to explain why "the best players" may not be as eager to go to the olympics as they are in other sports. It does not serve to explain why anyone should be paid to do so.
05-03-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EdgarFanCLS
I hate the NBA.
The honor of playing for the country that puts millions in their pockets should be more than enough for these idiots.
The honor of playing for the country that puts millions in their pockets should be more than enough for these idiots.
the worst part is most people who pay their salary(like you and I) have a lot worst jobs than playing/practicing Hockey and b-ball all day. Plus the pay they get is insane. what is the min. contract in the NBA. I think in baseball it's 1/2 million a year. for 1/2 million a year that's an awesome deal for the baseball player. all he has to do is just enough to keep from getting bumped down to "farm league" otherwise he's riding the bench collecting his 1/2 a million.
.Professional Sports needs overhauled. restructure the pay. We as fan are getting ripped when you take the family to go to them. This is why I personally sit at home watch them on ABC,NBC,or FOX or whatever channel and not pay 50 bucks a ticket plus 10 bucks to park.
for baseball you can't see crap cause you're so high up. 
05-03-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
To add to what I mentioned earlier....
In the olympics, in every other sport (track, swimming, women's softball, skiing, bobsledding, gymnastics, etc.), their event is widely considered to be the pinnacle of their sport. That is the absolute highest point, and as a result it is what the athletes in those events strive for.... to win a gold medal in that event.
In Basketball, the olympic event is not the pinnacle. The NBA is the pinnacle. The NBA is what almost all basketball players strive for. Players from other countries have long used the olympics as a stage to showcase their talent for the NBA (Toni Kukoc, just to name one) in conjunction with winning a gold medal. In that respect, you are dealing with a different animal than the other sports. You are dealing with players who have reached the top, as far as their sport is concerned. Granted, there is something to be said for winning a gold medal, but the significance of doing so is entirely different than any other olympic sport.
That being said, it only serves to explain why "the best players" may not be as eager to go to the olympics as they are in other sports. It does not serve to explain why anyone should be paid to do so.
In the olympics, in every other sport (track, swimming, women's softball, skiing, bobsledding, gymnastics, etc.), their event is widely considered to be the pinnacle of their sport. That is the absolute highest point, and as a result it is what the athletes in those events strive for.... to win a gold medal in that event.
In Basketball, the olympic event is not the pinnacle. The NBA is the pinnacle. The NBA is what almost all basketball players strive for. Players from other countries have long used the olympics as a stage to showcase their talent for the NBA (Toni Kukoc, just to name one) in conjunction with winning a gold medal. In that respect, you are dealing with a different animal than the other sports. You are dealing with players who have reached the top, as far as their sport is concerned. Granted, there is something to be said for winning a gold medal, but the significance of doing so is entirely different than any other olympic sport.
That being said, it only serves to explain why "the best players" may not be as eager to go to the olympics as they are in other sports. It does not serve to explain why anyone should be paid to do so.
Arguably, playing on the olympic team should be more prestigious to the NBA player than making the All Star team...it is certainly more selective these days. However, since there's no money involved, they don't seem to give a flying fuck.
05-03-2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
MLB is the pinnacle for baseball, but Olympic baseball players don't whine about the money. The World Cup is the pinnacle for soccer (or Serie A, Premier League, etc) but you don't hear those players whine about wanting to get paid to play.
Arguably, playing on the olympic team should be more prestigious to the NBA player than making the All Star team...it is certainly more selective these days. However, since there's no money involved, they don't seem to give a flying fuck.
Arguably, playing on the olympic team should be more prestigious to the NBA player than making the All Star team...it is certainly more selective these days. However, since there's no money involved, they don't seem to give a flying fuck.
And to prove it, they sure the heck didn't play like they give a flying fark...
05-03-2005, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
MLB is the pinnacle for baseball, but Olympic baseball players don't whine about the money. The World Cup is the pinnacle for soccer (or Serie A, Premier League, etc) but you don't hear those players whine about wanting to get paid to play.
Granted its not the best suggestion, but it's no reason to hate the guy and call him a whiner and whatnot.And it's my understanding that in olympic baseball, players are not hand picked from the league to play in the olympics like they are in basketball. And the World Cup is not an organized league that lasts for 8 months, it's an event extremely similar to the olympics.
I'm not saying that players should get paid or anything, just that Ray Allen is right, basketball is an entirely different animal than any other sport in the olympics.
Arguably, playing on the olympic team should be more prestigious to the NBA player than making the All Star team...it is certainly more selective these days. However, since there's no money involved, they don't seem to give a flying fuck.
05-03-2005, 12:16 PM
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NHL is getting the same way. I was a HUGE NHL fan and now it's all about the money. I tried watching I think it was AHL(american hockey league) just the talent lacks there. I'd rather watch College hockey than that. it's sad to say they don't play because like it they play for the money.
the worst part is most people who pay their salary(like you and I) have a lot worst jobs than playing/practicing Hockey and b-ball all day. Plus the pay they get is insane. what is the min. contract in the NBA. I think in baseball it's 1/2 million a year. for 1/2 million a year that's an awesome deal for the baseball player. all he has to do is just enough to keep from getting bumped down to "farm league" otherwise he's riding the bench collecting his 1/2 a million. .
the worst part is most people who pay their salary(like you and I) have a lot worst jobs than playing/practicing Hockey and b-ball all day. Plus the pay they get is insane. what is the min. contract in the NBA. I think in baseball it's 1/2 million a year. for 1/2 million a year that's an awesome deal for the baseball player. all he has to do is just enough to keep from getting bumped down to "farm league" otherwise he's riding the bench collecting his 1/2 a million.
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05-03-2005, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
Who's whining about money??? One player suggests additional incentive in the form of money, not even for himself, just as a concept, and suddenly they're whining about money? Granted its not the best suggestion, but it's no reason to hate the guy and call him a whiner and whatnot.
And it's my understanding that in olympic baseball, players are not hand picked from the league to play in the olympics like they are in basketball. And the World Cup is not an organized league that lasts for 8 months, it's an event extremely similar to the olympics.
I'm not saying that players should get paid or anything, just that Ray Allen is right, basketball is an entirely different animal than any other sport in the olympics.
Granted its not the best suggestion, but it's no reason to hate the guy and call him a whiner and whatnot.And it's my understanding that in olympic baseball, players are not hand picked from the league to play in the olympics like they are in basketball. And the World Cup is not an organized league that lasts for 8 months, it's an event extremely similar to the olympics.
I'm not saying that players should get paid or anything, just that Ray Allen is right, basketball is an entirely different animal than any other sport in the olympics.
If these guys dont want to play then they shouldn't play, they can go sit at their pool all summer for all I care. If they don't appreciate the opportunity then fuck 'em. The fact that money was ever even mentioned is where the problem is.
The World Cup is an event, but the soccer leagues I mentioned are full time, with most having longer seasons than the NBA anyway.
Basketball is no different from any other pro sport found in the olympics in any way other than the ignorance of the players.
05-03-2005, 12:40 PM
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Just so everyone knows, Pro Sports players have contractual obligations during the off season that don't involve playing their sport. They are getting paid to do more than just play the game (see: why Ricky Williams doesnt like pro football).
For most, it's not a question of appreciation, it's a question of recovery time. For baseball, the olympics happen during the pro season. For basketball, to play at that level of comptetition for 8 months, then go to the olympics in the off season has nothing to do with them wanting to represent their country. So they shouldn't have to feel lucky to be asked. They may feel lucky, they may even want to, but they may also be limited. Certainly there are some players (in every sport) who are motivated solely by money, but it is not the norm.
For soccer, I would think that the leagues aren't quite at the level of the World Cup. But I know little about soccer because it's played by a bunch of pussies.
But that still doesn't answer the question...
For most, it's not a question of appreciation, it's a question of recovery time. For baseball, the olympics happen during the pro season. For basketball, to play at that level of comptetition for 8 months, then go to the olympics in the off season has nothing to do with them wanting to represent their country. So they shouldn't have to feel lucky to be asked. They may feel lucky, they may even want to, but they may also be limited. Certainly there are some players (in every sport) who are motivated solely by money, but it is not the norm.
For soccer, I would think that the leagues aren't quite at the level of the World Cup. But I know little about soccer because it's played by a bunch of pussies.
But that still doesn't answer the question...
Originally Posted by ccannizz11
Who's whining about money??? One player suggests additional incentive in the form of money, not even for himself, just as a concept, and suddenly they're whining about money? Granted its not the best suggestion, but it's no reason to hate the guy and call him a whiner and whatnot.
05-03-2005, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by LLWesMan
When I respond to a thread, I normally assume someone who is going to hop in a start talking shit is actually going to read the thread before they start going off. Nice going tough guy. 
05-03-2005, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
"Who's whining about money??? One player suggests additional incentive in the form of money, not even for himself, just as a concept, and suddenly they're whining about money? Granted its not the best suggestion, but it's no reason to hate the guy and call him a whiner and whatnot."
Originally Posted by ccannizz11
For soccer, I would think that the leagues aren't quite at the level of the World Cup. But I know little about soccer because it's played by a bunch of pussies.
05-03-2005, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
Did you see the way they acted and played during the last Olympics???
But not sure what you mean by how they acted?
Funny you're defending basketball but calling soccer a pussy sport.
oh the irony
05-03-2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
I saw the way they played, like a bunch of individuals thrown together at the last minute with no chemistry.
But not sure what you mean by how they acted?
oh the irony
But not sure what you mean by how they acted?
oh the ironyThey played like a bunch of prima donnas with absolutely no concept of the sport of basketball as a team game.
The irony? Compare a soccer foul to an NBA foul and tell me who the pussies are
05-03-2005, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter
They acted morose, whiney and self absorbed (with, shockingly, Iverson being one of the only exceptions to the rule)
They played like a bunch of prima donnas with absolutely no concept of the sport of basketball as a team game.
The irony? Compare a soccer foul to an NBA foul and tell me who the pussies are
They played like a bunch of prima donnas with absolutely no concept of the sport of basketball as a team game.
The irony? Compare a soccer foul to an NBA foul and tell me who the pussies are
05-03-2005, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ccannizz11
You want me to compare the foul or the players' reaction? In soccer, every foul results in a broken leg, unless there is a chance to score a goal off a quick restart, in which case, the referee's whistle merely has signaled to the player that they are allowed to fondle the ball with their hands. In Basketball, no foul is ever committed by the player that is whistled, ever. The ref is always wrong.
05-03-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
I'm definitely more in favor of the collegiate ball players representing the Olympics. But if it has to be the NBA players, I say make the NBA champs of that year compete in the Olympics 'cause the chemistry otherwise seems terrible. (Sidenote: I'm aware of the growing number of foreign players in the NBA that may want to represent their home country but too bad...if they're on an NBA champion team then just deal with it)
Just my opinion.
(Sidenote: I'm aware of the growing number of foreign players in the NBA that may want to represent their home country but too bad...if they're on an NBA champion team then just deal with it)Just my opinion.
05-03-2005, 03:14 PM
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When someone is going to call someone a clown based on their comment, I assume that person is going to quote them. Nice try, assclown.
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