NBA Offseason Thread (Trades, Free Agents, Rumors)
07-02-2008 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Kaman is pretty decent as well if he doesn't go AWOL. They have a good team, but I don't think there's enough there for a playoff spot in the west. Dallas and Denver were 7th and 8th seeds last year, and Portland is going to come back with a pretty strong team.
07-02-2008 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kosstick
I dont count w.e miami does as an achievement they fucking tanked the shit outta last season and still got only 2nd pick.. at one point for al ong time they had almost a full starting 5 full of d leage players... Portland will be better next year and possibly make the playoffs.
As for Marion, local paper has an article dreaming for a sign and trade of Marion for Brand.
07-02-2008 | 01:47 PM
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The Clips played without Brand practically the entire year. With him in the lineup they will be that much better. They will miss Corey but Baron is better. Plus, I think Dallas and GS will give up some of the wins they had last year. (Look out for Houston though, if they can stay healthy).
07-02-2008 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Kaman is pretty decent as well if he doesn't go AWOL. They have a good team, but I don't think there's enough there for a playoff spot in the west. Dallas and Denver were 7th and 8th seeds last year, and Portland is going to come back with a pretty strong team.
07-02-2008 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
The Clips played without Brand practically the entire year. With him in the lineup they will be that much better. They will miss Corey but Baron is better. Plus, I think Dallas and GS will give up some of the wins they had last year. (Look out for Houston though, if they can stay healthy).
07-02-2008 | 01:54 PM
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i'm just hoping phoenix and dallas suck somehow with their new coaches, and leave a spot or two for clips/portland in the west. I can see phoenix having trouble as their whole organization is being turned around, but i wouldn't count out any team w/ nash/barbosa/amare. I really want to see a lakers/clippers matchup in the playoffs. They were so close a few years back when the Lakers were up 3-1 on the suns but managed to lose 3 games in a row.
clips line up would be alright, but mobley and thomas are getting older, and kaman can be really inconsistant and seems to be injured a LOT. It seems like he only puts up big numbers when he's the focus of the offense. I think thornton needs to comeback much better than last year, gordon needs to be an immediate impact, and bdiddy needs to quickly fit into a half court system, rather than the run and gun offense they had in GS.
clips line up would be alright, but mobley and thomas are getting older, and kaman can be really inconsistant and seems to be injured a LOT. It seems like he only puts up big numbers when he's the focus of the offense. I think thornton needs to comeback much better than last year, gordon needs to be an immediate impact, and bdiddy needs to quickly fit into a half court system, rather than the run and gun offense they had in GS.
07-02-2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
The Clips played without Brand practically the entire year. With him in the lineup they will be that much better. They will miss Corey but Baron is better. Plus, I think Dallas and GS will give up some of the wins they had last year. (Look out for Houston though, if they can stay healthy).
Bynum (and a full year of Pau)
Yao
Oden
Brand (even Kaman was injured for awhile)
Snaq (if he's working out rather than rapping) and Amare for a full year.
It'll be a different year in the west....probably another great one if these guys can stay healthy. The west is going to cannabalize itself again.
I guess I like the Clippers chances at that 8th spot, but Portland looks strong.
07-02-2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by UNeeKLiNG
what are you talking about, he had a pretty good season last season...he was injure for about 15-20 games or so but he did a lot when he actually played...he's a good reserve for thorton
but he's lazy, soft, and has one of the worst work ethics in the league.
a guy with his size, shooting, and once-athleticism should have had a much better career than what he's had.
but with that said, he's a decent bench player. it's not like the clippers are gonna need him to be the #1 option.
07-02-2008 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Osamu
clips line up would be alright, but mobley and thomas are getting older, and kaman can be really inconsistant and seems to be injured a LOT. It seems like he only puts up big numbers when he's the focus of the offense. I think thornton needs to comeback much better than last year, gordon needs to be an immediate impact, and bdiddy needs to quickly fit into a half court system, rather than the run and gun offense they had in GS.
07-02-2008 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
How is losing your team to injuries tanking it? We started D-League players out of necessity to even put up a team. Even Marion got hurt after we acquired him.
As for Marion, local paper has an article dreaming for a sign and trade of Marion for Brand.
As for Marion, local paper has an article dreaming for a sign and trade of Marion for Brand.
loll um.... D wade and Marion chose to sit out longer than they had.. If they were playing for a playoff spot they would be magically healed..
They jsut tanked the end of the seasomn IM sure they could have played a lot of the games they missed but chose not to because it wasnt worth it..
07-02-2008 | 02:47 PM
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Beasley is Injured Already!! Lol!
From Yahoo Sports:
From Yahoo Sports:
MIAMI (AP)—Michael Beasley’s first official practice with the Miami Heat ended quickly.
Beasley was struck in the chest by an inadvertent elbow during a defensive drill about 45 minutes into Miami’s first summer-league workout session Wednesday, and the No. 2 overall pick in last week’s NBA draft was taken to a doctor for observation.
Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said the move was strictly precautionary and should not affect Beasley’s availability for Miami’s five-games-in-five-days run through the Orlando summer league, which opens Monday.
“He took a shot to the chest,” Spoelstra said. “He probably could have finished if it was the regular season or something like that, but we just wanted to be safe.”
Spoelstra said he wasn’t absolutely certain which Heat summer player was the one that struck Beasley.
“I looked and one minute he was there and the next minute he was gone,” Heat guard Daequan Cook said. “I have no idea what happened.”
The team did not immediately release an update on the extent of Beasley’s injury or what sort of tests were being performed on the rookie, who averaged 26.2 points and 12.4 rebounds last season for Kansas State.
“He was very eager to learn what we were doing, especially defensively what we wanted to get accomplished in this practice,” Spoelstra said. “When he gets back out here, he’ll be fine and when we get up to Orlando, he’ll be fine.”
Beasley was gone by the time practice was open to reporters and not available for comment.
Beasley was struck in the chest by an inadvertent elbow during a defensive drill about 45 minutes into Miami’s first summer-league workout session Wednesday, and the No. 2 overall pick in last week’s NBA draft was taken to a doctor for observation.
Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said the move was strictly precautionary and should not affect Beasley’s availability for Miami’s five-games-in-five-days run through the Orlando summer league, which opens Monday.
“He took a shot to the chest,” Spoelstra said. “He probably could have finished if it was the regular season or something like that, but we just wanted to be safe.”
Spoelstra said he wasn’t absolutely certain which Heat summer player was the one that struck Beasley.
“I looked and one minute he was there and the next minute he was gone,” Heat guard Daequan Cook said. “I have no idea what happened.”
The team did not immediately release an update on the extent of Beasley’s injury or what sort of tests were being performed on the rookie, who averaged 26.2 points and 12.4 rebounds last season for Kansas State.
“He was very eager to learn what we were doing, especially defensively what we wanted to get accomplished in this practice,” Spoelstra said. “When he gets back out here, he’ll be fine and when we get up to Orlando, he’ll be fine.”
Beasley was gone by the time practice was open to reporters and not available for comment.
07-02-2008 | 03:44 PM
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Baron on the move to the Clips:
"I'm happy with where I'm going. A big reason is because of the impact and the things that I can do going forward. I knew I could have done them here and created all kinds of good things and positive things in the community, and ultimately, me going home helps me make an impact on young kids."
"I'm happy with where I'm going. A big reason is because of the impact and the things that I can do going forward. I knew I could have done them here and created all kinds of good things and positive things in the community, and ultimately, me going home helps me make an impact on young kids."
07-02-2008 | 04:09 PM
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GSW made a max contract offer to Brand. This is very interesting. Baron would be blue in the face if Brand didn't sign back with the Clippers. Don't believe what ball players tell you. Baron told everyone including the coach and on the radio that he was not opting out. Who knows what Brand might do knowing that he can get an extra $20 million from the GSW.
07-02-2008 | 04:56 PM
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^^LOL. It would be typical Clipper luck to lose Brand after gaining Baron.
I've heard Davis contract cuts into what Brand would get, but Brand would still get the most money from the Clips.
He's sorta not a typical Nellie player to me, but he's a solid player regardless.
I've heard Davis contract cuts into what Brand would get, but Brand would still get the most money from the Clips.
He's sorta not a typical Nellie player to me, but he's a solid player regardless.
07-02-2008 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
props to brand if he's intending to take a paycut so the clips can sign davis.
07-02-2008 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
He does seem like that type of guy. In addition to basketball though, both Baron and Brand have movie production companies. LA seems like a prime place for both. It would make sense if he stayed.
but we'll see.
07-02-2008 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JediMindTricks
yea, and those are two reasons why i actually believe him when he says he intends to resign.
but we'll see.
but we'll see.
Actually, I think Ron made brilliant but deceitful move. If he had opted out, most teams would only offer the MLE. By re-signing, and then publicly regretting the decision, it might force the Kings to trade him. And Ron gets to keep the money due him (more than the MLE).
I think the Kings have some good young talent, and Ron is sorta gumming up the operation there. I'd love for Artest to come to the Lakers, there's no way that'll happen...the Kings wouldn't have it.
07-02-2008 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
And on the opposite end of the spectrum, we have Ron Artest.
Actually, I think Ron made brilliant but deceitful move. If he had opted out, most teams would only offer the MLE. By re-signing, and then publicly regretting the decision, it might force the Kings to trade him. And Ron gets to keep the money due him (more than the MLE).
I think the Kings have some good young talent, and Ron is sorta gumming up the operation there. I'd love for Artest to come to the Lakers, there's no way that'll happen...the Kings wouldn't have it.
Actually, I think Ron made brilliant but deceitful move. If he had opted out, most teams would only offer the MLE. By re-signing, and then publicly regretting the decision, it might force the Kings to trade him. And Ron gets to keep the money due him (more than the MLE).
I think the Kings have some good young talent, and Ron is sorta gumming up the operation there. I'd love for Artest to come to the Lakers, there's no way that'll happen...the Kings wouldn't have it.
Maybe.. they are in love with farmar... So Lamar + farmar for Rony and Miki Moore?
Then see if memphis wants to trade for javaris critenton.. (they are stacked at pg....) or if they cut him loose we can pick him up
07-02-2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
And on the opposite end of the spectrum, we have Ron Artest.
Actually, I think Ron made brilliant but deceitful move. If he had opted out, most teams would only offer the MLE. By re-signing, and then publicly regretting the decision, it might force the Kings to trade him. And Ron gets to keep the money due him (more than the MLE).
I think the Kings have some good young talent, and Ron is sorta gumming up the operation there. I'd love for Artest to come to the Lakers, there's no way that'll happen...the Kings wouldn't have it.
Actually, I think Ron made brilliant but deceitful move. If he had opted out, most teams would only offer the MLE. By re-signing, and then publicly regretting the decision, it might force the Kings to trade him. And Ron gets to keep the money due him (more than the MLE).
I think the Kings have some good young talent, and Ron is sorta gumming up the operation there. I'd love for Artest to come to the Lakers, there's no way that'll happen...the Kings wouldn't have it.
Well Ron might not be as dumb as yall think. If he opts out, most teams do not have the salary cap to pay him what he wants so by not opting out and NOW saying he regrets not opting out, he can potentially be traded to a better team AND keep his pay scale at least! Because if he opts out he'll most like take a pay cut because of other teams salary cap. Think about that.
07-02-2008 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by UNeeKLiNG
guess it's good for the kings as well, they'll get some value for himI actually like the talent the Kings have. I think Ron doesn't exactly fit, so it'll be interesting to see what direction the Magoofs and Geoff Petrie take the team.
07-02-2008 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CarbonGray Earl
Yup, good on both fronts.
I actually like the talent the Kings have. I think Ron doesn't exactly fit, so it'll be interesting to see what direction the Magoofs and Geoff Petrie take the team.
I actually like the talent the Kings have. I think Ron doesn't exactly fit, so it'll be interesting to see what direction the Magoofs and Geoff Petrie take the team.
07-02-2008 | 07:16 PM
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Warriors have offered free agent Elton Brand a five-year deal worth between $85 and $90 million, according to league sources.
josh smith met w/ 76ers. That would be a good fit for him, and an exciting team to watch.
07-02-2008 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
How is losing your team to injuries tanking it? We started D-League players out of necessity to even put up a team. Even Marion got hurt after we acquired him.
07-02-2008 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jlukja
Three-way trade: Odom-Miami, Marion-Sacramento, Artest-Lakers, what do you think?
or just trade directly for marion
07-02-2008 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Osamu
replace odom w/ radmonivic and mbenga maybe. Doesn't Miami need a center?
or just trade directly for marion
or just trade directly for marion
07-02-2008 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by UNeeKLiNG
I personally dont think marion would help much with the line up the lakers have. Marion can't create for himself and can't shoot that well. He's got a big ego so it'll just be like phoenix all over again where he's 3rd tier.
Marion had trouble being the third option, I'd hate to see what happens if he became the 4th (Kobe, Pau, Bynum).I'd take Artest. Lamar and Pau were good together, but Pau and Bynum might be better, especially defensively. Fish-Kobe-Artest-Pau-Bynum is as good a defensive unit as any. Even Ariza at that spot is pretty decent as well.