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^ IDNK, what did the money go toward?
That article pretty much gives you everything.
But in short, LiveStrong provided support for people, or family members of people, diagnosed with cancer.
The support including counseling, provided patients with information as far as what to expect in the coming days, weeks, months, years. etc..
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People still think that Livestrong was providing money for cancer research?
IIRC the $$$ goes to helping victims of cancer get appropriate treatment and survive the disease....not for research.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
Coke?
It was in response to Moogy's fix
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"Cancer Research" Whatever that means. But money did not go to any cancer research.
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Originally Posted by F-C
"Cancer Research" Whatever that means. But money did not go to any cancer research.
I just realized that I typed in Research when I meant "Cancer Awareness".

See, it's so easy to get the two mixed up.
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What about cheating awareness?
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I love how so many never came back to this thread, and also how many back pedaled their way out of this thread.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I love how so many never came back to this thread, and also how many back pedaled their way out of this thread.
So, we're clear that Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds are NOT cheaters right? They were never caught and so, not cheaters?

Hitler never fired a gun at anyone and so, he's NOT a killer, right?
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
So, we're clear that Clemroids and Flaxseed Bonds are NOT cheaters right? They were never caught and so, not cheaters?

Hitler never fired a gun at anyone and so, he's NOT a killer, right?
Stop the lies, Hitler shot himself...he is a killer!

...but the rest is true, Lance, Clem, Bond, Bolt....not cheaters!
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Snarking aside, it is sad how the world of sports has come to this.

We can't look at anyone's success without being cynical. No one. Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, and etc.

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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Snarking aside, it is sad how the world of sports has come to this.

We can't look at anyone's success without being cynical. No one. Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, and etc.

Sad but true. I'm sticking to Formula 1.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Snarking aside, it is sad how the world of sports has come to this.

We can't look at anyone's success without being cynical. No one. Michael Phelps, Usain Bolt, and etc.

I think we still can look at success without being cynical, however, it's those that blow the competition out of the water time and time again, break records time and time again by leaps and bounds......those are the ones that clearly we must be cynical about.

Lance, Bonds, Bolt, McGuire, Sossa, Phelps,....athletes like these...dopers?

Clearly.
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Originally Posted by F-C
Sad but true. I'm sticking to Formula 1.
The cars are using performance enhancements as well
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The cars are using performance enhancements as well
I can live with that!
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Here's my guess on how Lance "admits" to Oprah:

(because Lance is an arrogant, prideful, liar)
He will play the victim in his admitting to doping....blaming everyone else, blaming the system....probably blaming the cycling federation, Olympic committees, US cycling, the boogyman....EVERYONE.....for a system that "pushed" him to dope. He's gonna say "he had no choice"...."everyone was doing it long before he was"....."it was just something you were supposed to do"......etc and so on.

The victim mentality will be strong with Lance.

...but go ahead Lance, prove me wrong. Show me that you will actually take some personal responsibility and own up to your own pre-meditated, bad decisions.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Here's my guess on how Lance "admits" to Oprah:

(because Lance is an arrogant, prideful, liar)
He will play the victim in his admitting to doping....blaming everyone else, blaming the system....probably blaming the cycling federation, Olympic committees, US cycling, the boogyman....EVERYONE.....for a system that "pushed" him to dope. He's gonna say "he had no choice"...."everyone was doing it long before he was"....."it was just something you were supposed to do"......etc and so on.

The victim mentality will be strong with Lance.

...but go ahead Lance, prove me wrong. Show me that you will actually take some personal responsibility and own up to your own pre-meditated, bad decisions.
Wow, Waldorf...you seem to have some expectations out of this lowlife?
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Call 'em as I see 'em, Statler
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I think we still can look at success without being cynical, however, it's those that blow the competition out of the water time and time again, break records time and time again by leaps and bounds......those are the ones that clearly we must be cynical about.

Lance, Bonds, Bolt, McGuire, Sossa, Phelps,....athletes like these...dopers?

Clearly.
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^^ You are right....just like Lance, & Bolt, & everyone else who blew records and other athletes out of the park...they all doped.....but....Phelps is clearly the exception to the rule of dopers.
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Report: Olympics could drop cycling

Only Oprah Winfrey and her crew have heard the words directly from Lance Armstrong, but his interview this week could result in his sport being bounced from the Olympics, according to a report.

News agency Reuters reported Tuesday that a member of the International Olympic Committee would consider dropping cycling from the Olympics if the sport's governing body were implicated in doping.

In an interview with Reuters, IOC member Dick Pound said the drastic action could be considered if the International Cycling Union has acted improperly, particularly in covering up suspicious drug-test results.

"The only way it is going to clean up is if all these people say, 'Hey, we're no longer in the Olympics and that's where we want to be, so let's earn our way back into it,'" Pound told Reuters.

Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles last year after a report by the US Anti-Doping Agency in October concluded he and his teammates cheated by using steroids, the blood booster EPO and blood transfusions. After years of denials, Armstrong reportedly admitted his transgressions to Winfrey in an interview on Monday at his home in Austin, Texas.

That interview will air Thursday and Friday on Winfrey's cable network, OWN.

The USADA report raised suspicion that the cycling union acted in concert with Armstrong to protect him from allegations of cheating. There have been media reports that Armstrong is considering testifying about his interaction with the ICU.

That governing body on Tuesday called for Armstrong to testify to an independent committee formed in November in the wake of the USADA report.

"We would strongly urge Lance Armstrong to testify to the Independent Commission established to investigate the allegations made against the UCI in the recent USADA reasoned decision on Lance Armstrong and the United States Postal Service team," the federation said in a statement.

It is that issue, rather than Armstrong's reported admission of cheating, that could lead to action from the IOC, Pound suggested. He is the former head of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

"The IOC would have to deal with it; the (UCI) is not known for its strong actions to anti-doping," Pound told Reuters.

"It was the same in weightlifting a few years ago. All of a sudden when you get right up against it, things go fuzzy and they say, 'Well, we can't punish innocent athletes in these sports by dropping the sport from the program.'"
http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/cy...scandal-011513

Well, if Lance blames them like I think he will, then say to Olympic Cycling....Lance is gonna bring down everyone with him.
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With His Admission of Doping, Lance Armstrong Could Also Take Down Some Very Powerful

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/admiss...110302555.html

It’s funny that Lance Armstrong finally admitted that he doped because he wanted to compete again, in running events and triathlons. The urge to compete—and not the urge to seek atonement, redemption or forgiveness—seems to be at the heart of his decision to come clean, so to speak, to Oprah Winfrey, in an interview done yesterday in Austin, Texas, that will air on Thursday night on Winfrey’s network. Oprah will see a boon from this. Others close to Armstrong, including Armstrong himself, won’t be so lucky. In order to be able to compete again, Armstrong has apparently agreed to testify and whistle-blow against “several powerful people in the sport of cycling,” The New York Times reports, which may include the International Cycling Union and the owners of his old cycling team which was sponsored by the United States Postal Service.
Armstrong will take the first hit. You cannot erase decades of cheating and lying about it. In his meeting with Travis Tygart of the US Anti-Doping Agency, Armstrong apparently whined about being singled out, pointing to the fact that sports in general—football, baseball—are rife with drug cheaters. He’s right. He was singled out. And he deserved to be, not only for the cheating and the lies, but for the attempts to intimidate and destroy those who were seeking the truth about him.


We don’t know how much Armstrong is worth, financially. We know that his sponsors—Nike, Oakley, Dasani, Bristol Myers, the Discovery Channel, Michelob and Subaru—have fled. His moneymaking streams may now be dry. In 2005, Forbes estimates Armstrong was making $28 million a year from these deals. In 2009, he was making $20 million a year. The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that last fall, Armstrong “took out a $1.85 million line of credit, secured by his home in Austin, which is valued at more than $3 million,” a sign that he may be preparing for the worst.

Perhaps a book deal and some future “don’t be like me” speaking tours could help him recoup some of his losses somewhere down the line. But possible criminal and civil lawsuits could very well drain him now.
But Armstrong, with his admission, could very well take down a lot of other folks with him. The New York Times today wrote about Thomas Weisel, the financier and Silicon Valley investor behind Yahoo’s public offering. He was the co-owner of the United States Postal Service Pro Cycling Team, and is most likely sweating and lawyering up at this very moment. The Times reports that he could be subject to lawsuits from former sponsors looking to recoup some money.
But those sponsors may not escape scot-free, either. Indeed, Nike may be part of the collateral damage. A few months ago, the New York Daily News reported that Kathy LeMond, wife of American cyclist Greg LeMond, “testified under oath during a 2006 deposition that Nike paid former UCI president Hein Verbuggen $500,000 to cover up a positive drug test.”
The UCI (Union Cycliste International) is the cycling world’s governing body that oversees international events and metes out penalties for positive drug tests. Verbuggen was the group’s president from 1991-2005.
To be sure, the Daily News story reports that Kathy LeMond was not a firsthand witness to this alleged payment. She testified that a mechanic for Armstrong’s team told her of payment, which was supposedly made to cover up a 1999 positive test for corticosteroids.
To state the obvious, this would be a public relations disaster for Nike, one from which they might have a hard time recovering. Verbuggen could be in big trouble. So could Pat McQuaid, the current head of the cycling union.
And these folks and companies may just be the tip of the Armstrong iceberg.
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
^^ You are right....just like Lance, & Bolt, & everyone else who blew records and other athletes out of the park...they all doped.....but....Phelps is clearly the exception to the rule of dopers.
Wasn't in red, so didn't know if sarcasm.
Do you really think Phelps doped?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
^^ You are right....just like Lance, & Bolt, & everyone else who blew records and other athletes out of the park...they all doped.....but....Phelps is clearly the exception to the rule of dopers.
He just smokes the dope
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Originally Posted by 97BlackAckCL
He just smokes the dope
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Lightbulb Cheatstrong NOT Contrite

Why is this not shocking?

From NY Daily...

Lance Armstrong was not contrite when he acknowledged that he used performance-enhancing drugs over his cycling career during his sit-down on Monday with Oprah Winfrey, a source familiar with the 2½-hour session at an Austin hotel told the Daily News.

The blockbuster report released by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency last year portrayed Armstrong as the leader of the most sophisticated doping ring in sports history, one who bullied other riders to use banned drugs. But Armstrong described himself during the Winfrey interview as just another cyclist who chose to use banned substances in order to compete in the grueling sport.

RELATED: LANCE'S LEGAL FATE RESTS IN AG HOLDER'S HANDS

Winfrey said on Tuesday that she was “satisfied” with Armstrong’s confession that he had used banned drugs on his way to seven Tour de France titles. But her satisfaction was qualified.

“I would say he did not come clean in the manner that I expected,” Winfrey said on “CBS This Morning.”

RELATED: ADMITTED DOPER LANCE MAY RAT OUT OTHER CHEATERS

Armstrong declined to address testimony from former teammate Frankie Andreu and his wife, Betsy, that they heard him tell doctors treating him for cancer in 1996 that he had used a slew of performance-enhancing drugs. Armstrong had previously contested that testimony and described Betsy Andreu as an angry woman jealous of his success.

“I’m not going to fight that anymore,” the source said he told Winfrey.

Armstrong did acknowledge that he tried to damage people who refused to assist his doping cover-up, the source added.

The two-part interview will air beginning Thursday on Winfrey’s OWN network and will continue on Friday. Winfrey said she felt viewers would be cheated if the interview was condensed into only one segment, so she and her team decided to extend it over two nights.

The independent doping investigation cycling’s governing body promised to conduct in October, meanwhile, doesn’t appear to be so independent after all, anti-doping officials said on Tuesday.

The World Anti-Doping Agency said it would not participate in the investigation conducted by a commission appointed by the International Cycling Union to examine the governing body’s role in cycling’s doping scandal because it had “serious concerns” about the commission’s independence.

WADA president John Fahey said the agency is concerned that UCI has too much influence over the commission appointed to examine the role of officials in doping. WADA, Fahey added, is also concerned that the investigation is focusing too narrowly on Armstrong and not enough on the sport’s “widespread and ingrained” doping problem.

Fahey also ripped the investigation for failing to provide immunity to cyclists and other witnesses who come forward.

“An approach that does not allow individuals to give evidence without the fear of retaliation will merely perpetuate the ‘omerta’ that has been an obstacle to cycling investigations in the past,” Fahey said.

Travis Tygart, the chief executive officer of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, echoed WADA’s concerns: “UCI’s refusal to agree to allow a limited opportunity for riders to come forward and be truthful without fear of retribution or retaliation from the UCI obviously calls into question the UCI’s commitment to a full and thorough investigation,” he said.

Tygart is the leader of the USADA team that compiled the extensive report released in October.

UCI officials declined to comment on reports about Armstrong’s doping confession.

“We would strongly urge Lance Armstrong to testify to the independent commission established to investigate the allegations made against the UCI in the recent USADA reasoned decision,” UCI officials said.

The commission is set to hold a hearing on the matter in London in April and is expected to deliver its report to the UCI by early June. According to testimony by former Armstrong teammates Tyler Hamilton and Floyd Landis, Armstrong told them he had made a positive drug test disappear with a payment to UCI in 2001. UCI officials have denied that Armstrong bribed the organization, but they acknowledge the cyclist made a $100,000 donation for anti-doping work to UCI in 2002.

A report from “60 Minutes Sports” last week stated that one of Armstrong’s representatives offered a $250,000 “donation” to USADA in 2004. Tygart said the organization believed the offer was inappropriate and quickly rejected it.

Kathy LeMond, the wife of American cyclist Greg LeMond, also testified under oath during a 2006 deposition that Nike and Thom Weisel, a Bay Area banker who sponsored Armstrong’s team, had paid $500,000 to former UCI president Hein Verbruggen to cover up a positive drug test.

LeMond was a witness in a lawsuit filed by Armstrong and Tailwind Sports, the firm that managed his cycling team, against SCA, a Dallas company that indemnifies sponsors who offer prizes based on athletic achievements, in a Texas court. The suit was filed after SCA, because of doping allegations, refused to pay Armstrong a $5 million bonus that Tailwind had promised the cyclist for winning the 2004 Tour de France.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i-...#ixzz2I9gQFW1J
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I'm failing to see the reason for such hatred here?!?!
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
I'm failing to see the reason for such hatred here?!?!
I don't hate him. I just want to watch him burn.




I can't speak for everyone here, but I've always been outspoken against cheaters in any sport (please see Clemroids, Flaxseed, No-English-Sosa, Belicheat)...Why stop at biking?
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
I'm failing to see the reason for such hatred here?!?!
Cause he's a jerk?
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Originally Posted by Maharajamd
I'm failing to see the reason for such hatred here?!?!
He used a scorched earth policy on anyone that said he doped.
From fellow riders, close friends, close co-workers, and everyone else.

Meanwhile the entire time he knew as well as everyone else that he doped.

...and this should be a guy that is not to be despised?!?!?!

Pass the dope!
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Wasn't in red, so didn't know if sarcasm.
Do you really think Phelps doped?
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
He used a scorched earth policy on anyone that said he doped.
From fellow riders, close friends, close co-workers, and everyone else.

Meanwhile the entire time he knew as well as everyone else that he doped.

...and this should be a guy that is not to be despised?!?!?!

Pass the dope!
I agree

Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
I disagree, I think (but also don't know for certain) that Phelps is performance drug free but not smoking dope free.

I'm suspicious of Bolt though, some interesting timelines for the world events he avoided before the Olympics.

So we agree to agree and disagree
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I also don't believe Phelps doped.
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Cheatstrong Nice one yummy
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Originally Posted by Legend2TL
I agree



I disagree, I think (but also don't know for certain) that Phelps is performance drug free but not smoking dope free.

I'm suspicious of Bolt though, some interesting timelines for the world events he avoided before the Olympics.

So we agree to agree and disagree
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I also don't believe Phelps doped.
Remember kids, Marion Jones never failed a drug test....

You will all begin to realize that doping is more common than not common.
It's nice to think these athletes are destroying the competition and destroying records without doping....but the reality is that belief is beyond logic.

Why?

...because you have to believe that a guy like Phelps or Bolt WITHOUT doping could beat all the other guys in the pool or the track that ARE doping.

...just like Lance.....huge amounts of athletes in cycling are/were doping, and yet we were supposed to believe that a NON-DOPING Lance could beat the mass amount of doping cyclists.

Sorry, but that's quite a leap of faith.
It does not pass the smell test, if you will.

It's a nice fairy tale to believe, but it's just not reality.
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^ There's one very important factor, the test instrumentation that is used has advanced incredibly since Marion Jones.

A friend is a biologist (she works on AIDS test procedures and processes) told me the desktop spectrometers are not only much cheaper these days but also much more sensitive. She told me the levels they detect of substances in urine and blood were unheard of a decade ago. It's helping alot in biology and drug research, but a small byproduct is better athlete drug and blood doping testing as well.

The desktop spectrometers are so cheap she only shares her's with one other biologist. Sort of like mainframes, in the 80's and 90's she'd submit a sample and have to wait a day sometimes. Now she gets one in 10 minutes.
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Phelps has smashed his competition at every level and for a while at every event. From his youth till #20. But in swimming smashing means a quarter second! Now Lochte is doing the same thing that Phelps is gone.

The thing about swimming is to win it's just as much, or more, about technique and physique then it is sheer endurance. For instance he is 6'4" (super tall for a swimmer - that's a foot saved or more in his races), he has double-jointed knees, elbows, and ankles, has giant size 14 feet, and with his super long torso has a lung capacity much greater then his fellow swimmers.

Has there even once been any allegations against Phelps? Has he ever once not taken the required tests?

Just because one or a few cheat to win doesn't automatically make all winners cheaters.

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Sounds like the same tired arguments that many were saying about Lance.
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^ FWIW, a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend's daughter swam with Phelps since he was little kid in Towson, MD. She said he was always amazing in meets and such even when he was like ~10.

She also said his mom was pretty good support as well always at meets, she never once saw his dad there.


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