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Originally Posted by caz1604
He is awesome as well, but no one seems to be able to block Freeney. He is so quick off the block!
Agreed, and coverage sacks are few and far between in MIA
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Originally Posted by caz1604
I would start Pitt...SD or not, they have a solid D that will make some plays. I just don't trust ARZ enough to start them over Pitt.
It's kind of a kharma thing. I have Keenan McCardell and Tomlinson in my starting squad.
Or I could dump ARZ and pick up the Dolphins this week to play against Buffalo. Buffalo is horrible. Or the Titans against Houston. The two worst offenses in the league right now.
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Agreed, and coverage sacks are few and far between in MIA
Regardless sacks is part of the stats to rate a position that's more intangible as a d-line. There are no recorded stats for hurries, knockdowns, pressures, etc. Plus run coverage and pass coverage is a big strength of his. Last year he had 9 passes defended. That's more than Freeney's career.
I think I've read in more publications and from scouts that Taylor is the best end. Then again some like Peppers, some Freeney, etc. I like JT because he can play the OLB in a 3-4, cover, get the run. He does it all including have 5 TD's.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
It's kind of a kharma thing. I have Keenan McCardell and Tomlinson in my starting squad.
Or I could dump ARZ and pick up the Dolphins this week to play against Buffalo. Buffalo is horrible. Or the Titans against Houston. The two worst offenses in the league right now.
Or I could dump ARZ and pick up the Dolphins this week to play against Buffalo. Buffalo is horrible. Or the Titans against Houston. The two worst offenses in the league right now.
The Cardinals might be without their top three cornerbacks when they host the Panthers on Sunday. In addition to losing Antrel Rolle to a season-ending knee injury, the Cards could be without fellow starter David Macklin, and No. 3 cornerback Raymond Walls in week five. The Arizona Republic reports that Macklin will probably be listed as doubtful on the injury report with a hamstring injury that forced him to miss last week, while Walls is questionable with a strained left groin.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Don't understand this point. Coverage sacks are because of the secondary being able to cover the receivers for so long. Any lineman can get a sack with a coverage sack. So saying MIA lacks coverage sacks, sounds like you're saying they get sacks quicker, thus making Jason sound like he gets sacks very quickly.
Regardless sacks is part of the stats to rate a position that's more intangible as a d-line. There are no recorded stats for hurries, knockdowns, pressures, etc. Plus run coverage and pass coverage is a big strength of his. Last year he had 9 passes defended. That's more than Freeney's career.
I think I've read in more publications and from scouts that Taylor is the best end. Then again some like Peppers, some Freeney, etc. I like JT because he can play the OLB in a 3-4, cover, get the run. He does it all including have 5 TD's.
Regardless sacks is part of the stats to rate a position that's more intangible as a d-line. There are no recorded stats for hurries, knockdowns, pressures, etc. Plus run coverage and pass coverage is a big strength of his. Last year he had 9 passes defended. That's more than Freeney's career.
I think I've read in more publications and from scouts that Taylor is the best end. Then again some like Peppers, some Freeney, etc. I like JT because he can play the OLB in a 3-4, cover, get the run. He does it all including have 5 TD's.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
Don't understand this point. Coverage sacks are because of the secondary being able to cover the receivers for so long. Any lineman can get a sack with a coverage sack. So saying MIA lacks coverage sacks, sounds like you're saying they get sacks quicker, thus making Jason sound like he gets sacks very quickly.
Regardless sacks is part of the stats to rate a position that's more intangible as a d-line. There are no recorded stats for hurries, knockdowns, pressures, etc. Plus run coverage and pass coverage is a big strength of his. Last year he had 9 passes defended. That's more than Freeney's career.
I think I've read in more publications and from scouts that Taylor is the best end. Then again some like Peppers, some Freeney, etc. I like JT because he can play the OLB in a 3-4, cover, get the run. He does it all including have 5 TD's.
Regardless sacks is part of the stats to rate a position that's more intangible as a d-line. There are no recorded stats for hurries, knockdowns, pressures, etc. Plus run coverage and pass coverage is a big strength of his. Last year he had 9 passes defended. That's more than Freeney's career.
I think I've read in more publications and from scouts that Taylor is the best end. Then again some like Peppers, some Freeney, etc. I like JT because he can play the OLB in a 3-4, cover, get the run. He does it all including have 5 TD's.
He said Taylor was awesome, I said I agree and that coverage sacks are few so he is doing the work and getting the sacks even though the QB has time to pass and recievers to throw too.
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Chris Kellys Week #4 - Power Rankings.
1.2 - Indianapolis - allowing only 6.5 ppg, and Manning looks like he is back on track. tough 2nd half schedule.
2.5 - Philadelphia - great come back win, and McNabb is on fire.
3.3 - Pittsburgh - bye week. 2 tough games ahead, SD & Jax.
4.4 - Cincinnati - first real test will come this Sunday on prime time.
5.6 - Tampa Bay - i'm not sold on them, but they are 4-0 and should be able to handle the jets. losing caddy would hurt.
6.1 - Atlanta - tuff test this weak against the Pats, Vick should be fine.
7.10 - Denver - beaten 3 good teams in a row, without plummer screwing them up.
8.13 - San Diego - killed the defending champs, up next: Steelers on MNF
9.14 - NY Giants - man, the Manning bros put up big numbers last week. Eli looks much better then I ever expected. Bye this week.
10.1 - New England - all good things come to an end, maybe. they got manhandled by the chargers, and it doesn't get any easier.
11.15 - Washington - nice OT win, 2 tough road games ahead. brunell should stay the starter.
12.8 - Jacksonville - decided not to show up eh? next: Bengals on SNF, then travel to Pitts. before the bye. much easier 2nd 1/2 schedule.
13.12 - Kansas City - you blew that one, Dante is amazing. utilize your TE more.
14.17 - Carolina - nice MNF win, although GB isn't a tuff foe. Steve Smith is an elite WR, glad he's back.
15.9 - Seattle - would've won had they had a "perfect" kicker.
16.16 - Miami - stayed put during bye. should be able to beat Buffalo. Ricky will take Ronnies carries.
17.21 - New Orleans - after 2 ruff loses, nice to have a "home" game. Get GB next week.
18.11 - Dallas - could've won that game, now they have to face Philly & the NY Giants... ouch.
19.18 - St Louis - manhandled by the giants, should've rant the ball more. get to play Seattle & Indy next.
20.29 - Oakland - finally get a win, and a running game. one week off before they face Brees, LT & Gates.
21.26 - Chicago - lol, I only put them this high because they have a great D, and are in first place in their division.
22.28 - Baltimore - finally won a game.. even though it was against the qbless jets. should feel good about facing det & cle next.
23.31 - Arizona - hey, a win is a win. losing rolle will hurt. Carolina next.
24.19 - Minnesota - God that was ugly. Dante looks confused when throwing. At least they have a bye week, then get chicago.
25.25 - Cleveland - idle due to bye, face a tuff Ravens D next.
26.20 - Buffalo - lost 11 spots in 2 weeks! 2 home games next, Losmann looks awful.. try Holcomb.
27.22 - Detroit - another loss, and Baltimore & Carolina next. Plus Rogers is out... again.
28.23 - NY Jets - "Vinny & the Jets..." Is Martin finally getting worn out?
29.24 - Tennessee - No chance against the colts. Adam Jones, welcome to the NFL rookie. Might beat the lowely texans, but the face Palmer & CJ.
30.27 - San Fransisco - !Futbol Americano! lol, might as well start Alex Smith now.. or, maybe not against Indy.
31.30 - Green Bay - Almost came back and won, hope Murphy is ok. sadly, they can still be considered contenders for their division.
32.32 - Houston - "With the first selection in the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select, Matt Lienhart, QB, USC." Maybe the 2nd qb from the state of California will work for them? Carr is like a pinata back there.
2.5 - Philadelphia - great come back win, and McNabb is on fire.
3.3 - Pittsburgh - bye week. 2 tough games ahead, SD & Jax.
4.4 - Cincinnati - first real test will come this Sunday on prime time.
5.6 - Tampa Bay - i'm not sold on them, but they are 4-0 and should be able to handle the jets. losing caddy would hurt.
6.1 - Atlanta - tuff test this weak against the Pats, Vick should be fine.
7.10 - Denver - beaten 3 good teams in a row, without plummer screwing them up.
8.13 - San Diego - killed the defending champs, up next: Steelers on MNF
9.14 - NY Giants - man, the Manning bros put up big numbers last week. Eli looks much better then I ever expected. Bye this week.
10.1 - New England - all good things come to an end, maybe. they got manhandled by the chargers, and it doesn't get any easier.
11.15 - Washington - nice OT win, 2 tough road games ahead. brunell should stay the starter.
12.8 - Jacksonville - decided not to show up eh? next: Bengals on SNF, then travel to Pitts. before the bye. much easier 2nd 1/2 schedule.
13.12 - Kansas City - you blew that one, Dante is amazing. utilize your TE more.
14.17 - Carolina - nice MNF win, although GB isn't a tuff foe. Steve Smith is an elite WR, glad he's back.
15.9 - Seattle - would've won had they had a "perfect" kicker.
16.16 - Miami - stayed put during bye. should be able to beat Buffalo. Ricky will take Ronnies carries.
17.21 - New Orleans - after 2 ruff loses, nice to have a "home" game. Get GB next week.
18.11 - Dallas - could've won that game, now they have to face Philly & the NY Giants... ouch.
19.18 - St Louis - manhandled by the giants, should've rant the ball more. get to play Seattle & Indy next.
20.29 - Oakland - finally get a win, and a running game. one week off before they face Brees, LT & Gates.
21.26 - Chicago - lol, I only put them this high because they have a great D, and are in first place in their division.
22.28 - Baltimore - finally won a game.. even though it was against the qbless jets. should feel good about facing det & cle next.
23.31 - Arizona - hey, a win is a win. losing rolle will hurt. Carolina next.
24.19 - Minnesota - God that was ugly. Dante looks confused when throwing. At least they have a bye week, then get chicago.
25.25 - Cleveland - idle due to bye, face a tuff Ravens D next.
26.20 - Buffalo - lost 11 spots in 2 weeks! 2 home games next, Losmann looks awful.. try Holcomb.
27.22 - Detroit - another loss, and Baltimore & Carolina next. Plus Rogers is out... again.
28.23 - NY Jets - "Vinny & the Jets..." Is Martin finally getting worn out?
29.24 - Tennessee - No chance against the colts. Adam Jones, welcome to the NFL rookie. Might beat the lowely texans, but the face Palmer & CJ.
30.27 - San Fransisco - !Futbol Americano! lol, might as well start Alex Smith now.. or, maybe not against Indy.
31.30 - Green Bay - Almost came back and won, hope Murphy is ok. sadly, they can still be considered contenders for their division.
32.32 - Houston - "With the first selection in the 2006 NFL draft, the Houston Texans select, Matt Lienhart, QB, USC." Maybe the 2nd qb from the state of California will work for them? Carr is like a pinata back there.
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My line-up for the week.
Bulger
E. James
J. Jones
H. Ward
S. Moss
TJ Housh
A. Gates
IND - defense
DEN - st
My avail players.
QB - Marc Bulger - STL
QB - Drew Brees - SD
RB - Ahman Green - GB
RB - Julius Jones - DAL
RB - Tatum Bell - DEN
RB - TJ Duckett - ATL
RB - Lee Suggs - CLE
RB - Willie Parker - PIT
RB - Edgerin James - IND
WR - Hines Ward - PIT
WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh - CIN
WR - Santana Moss - WSH
WR - Amani Toomer - NYG
WR - Greg Lewis - PHI
WR - Michael Jenkins - ATL
TE - Antonio Gates - SD
TE - Jermaine Wiggins - MIN
Def. - Indianapolis
Def. - Miami
ST. - Denver
Anyone make any changes?
Bulger
E. James
J. Jones
H. Ward
S. Moss
TJ Housh
A. Gates
IND - defense
DEN - st
My avail players.
QB - Marc Bulger - STL
QB - Drew Brees - SD
RB - Ahman Green - GB
RB - Julius Jones - DAL
RB - Tatum Bell - DEN
RB - TJ Duckett - ATL
RB - Lee Suggs - CLE
RB - Willie Parker - PIT
RB - Edgerin James - IND
WR - Hines Ward - PIT
WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh - CIN
WR - Santana Moss - WSH
WR - Amani Toomer - NYG
WR - Greg Lewis - PHI
WR - Michael Jenkins - ATL
TE - Antonio Gates - SD
TE - Jermaine Wiggins - MIN
Def. - Indianapolis
Def. - Miami
ST. - Denver
Anyone make any changes?
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Originally Posted by peacefrog
My line-up for the week.
Bulger
E. James
J. Jones
H. Ward
S. Moss
TJ Housh
A. Gates
IND - defense
DEN - st
My avail players.
QB - Marc Bulger - STL
QB - Drew Brees - SD
RB - Ahman Green - GB
RB - Julius Jones - DAL
RB - Tatum Bell - DEN
RB - TJ Duckett - ATL
RB - Lee Suggs - CLE
RB - Willie Parker - PIT
RB - Edgerin James - IND
WR - Hines Ward - PIT
WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh - CIN
WR - Santana Moss - WSH
WR - Amani Toomer - NYG
WR - Greg Lewis - PHI
WR - Michael Jenkins - ATL
TE - Antonio Gates - SD
TE - Jermaine Wiggins - MIN
Def. - Indianapolis
Def. - Miami
ST. - Denver
Anyone make any changes?
Bulger
E. James
J. Jones
H. Ward
S. Moss
TJ Housh
A. Gates
IND - defense
DEN - st
My avail players.
QB - Marc Bulger - STL
QB - Drew Brees - SD
RB - Ahman Green - GB
RB - Julius Jones - DAL
RB - Tatum Bell - DEN
RB - TJ Duckett - ATL
RB - Lee Suggs - CLE
RB - Willie Parker - PIT
RB - Edgerin James - IND
WR - Hines Ward - PIT
WR - TJ Houshmandzadeh - CIN
WR - Santana Moss - WSH
WR - Amani Toomer - NYG
WR - Greg Lewis - PHI
WR - Michael Jenkins - ATL
TE - Antonio Gates - SD
TE - Jermaine Wiggins - MIN
Def. - Indianapolis
Def. - Miami
ST. - Denver
Anyone make any changes?
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Originally Posted by tjker
brunell vs. denver
furotte vs. buffalo
who to start, i'm rather thin at QB right now
furotte vs. buffalo
who to start, i'm rather thin at QB right now
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Originally Posted by tjker
a guy wants to trade me M. Bulger QB-Rams for T.O. WR-Eagles
what do you think?
what do you think?
Any free agent QB's available?
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I wouldn't do it. If it was an upper tier QB, then I would say go for it. T.O. is pretty valuable, so I would hold on to him.
thats what i thought too so I denied the trade, but this guy is persistant on getting TO. i told him ok you give me mcnabb, i'll give you TO. He said I was nuts! Well looks like your not getting TO then.
if somebody wants to the best WR in the league, rest assure you are going to give me the best QB on your team and not your 3rd stringer.
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Originally Posted by tjker
thats what i thought too so I denied the trade, but this guy is persistant on getting TO. i told him ok you give me mcnabb, i'll give you TO. He said I was nuts! Well looks like your not getting TO then.
if somebody wants to the best WR in the league, rest assure you are going to give me the best QB on your team and not your 3rd stringer.
if somebody wants to the best WR in the league, rest assure you are going to give me the best QB on your team and not your 3rd stringer.
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What receivers does he have? Taking Bulger and a good WR won't be that bad of an idea since you are hurting in the QB department. Also, what WR's besides T.O. do you have on your team?
he has
torry holt
isaac bruce
anquan bolden
brandon lloyd
I have
joe horn
TO
derrick mason
braylon edwards
lav. coles
who would you want with bulger in trading TO
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Originally Posted by tjker
he has
torry holt
isaac bruce
anquan bolden
brandon lloyd
I have
joe horn
TO
derrick mason
braylon edwards
lav. coles
who would you want with bulger in trading TO
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I went and checked out the stats and Boldin has one less TD than Fitz...they have some serious QB problems. Holt does not score near as much as T.O. and I would use that in negotiating for him.
The other option is trying to find a Free Agent QB...who is available in your league? I just kind of hate letting go of a guy like TO.
The other option is trying to find a Free Agent QB...who is available in your league? I just kind of hate letting go of a guy like TO.
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I went and checked out the stats and Boldin has one less TD than Fitz...they have some serious QB problems. Holt does not score near as much as T.O. and I would use that in negotiating for him.
The other option is trying to find a Free Agent QB...who is available in your league? I just kind of hate letting go of a guy like TO.
The other option is trying to find a Free Agent QB...who is available in your league? I just kind of hate letting go of a guy like TO.
agreed on T.O., his points per game, 19.5 in my league
the qbs in question average per
mcnabb 22.3
bulger 16.5
frerotte 14.0
brunell 13.3
holt is 15.3
the only way this deal would get done is if holt and bulger are packaged together. then again, i don't see him doing that either. i'll probably just hang in with what i have right now. i've got LT and julius jones at RB, so scoring points hasn't been a big problem with my current lineup. it's just the qb situation is a little unstable as neither player has really stepped up to the plate yet.
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Originally Posted by tjker
he has
torry holt
isaac bruce
anquan bolden
brandon lloyd
I have
joe horn
TO
derrick mason
braylon edwards
lav. coles
who would you want with bulger in trading TO
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top five qbs available in my league
brian griese
tim rattay
kurt warner
joey harrington
josh mccown
2 aren't playing, 1 sucks(JH) who i originally had, 1 is unproven, and griese who's barely holding it together down in tampa
brian griese
tim rattay
kurt warner
joey harrington
josh mccown
2 aren't playing, 1 sucks(JH) who i originally had, 1 is unproven, and griese who's barely holding it together down in tampa
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Originally Posted by tjker
agreed on T.O., his points per game, 19.5 in my league
the qbs in question average per
mcnabb 22.3
bulger 16.5
frerotte 14.0
brunell 13.3
holt is 15.3
the only way this deal would get done is if holt and bulger are packaged together. then again, i don't see him doing that either. i'll probably just hang in with what i have right now. i've got LT and julius jones at RB, so scoring points hasn't been a big problem with my current lineup. it's just the qb situation is a little unstable as neither player has really stepped up to the plate yet.
the qbs in question average per
mcnabb 22.3
bulger 16.5
frerotte 14.0
brunell 13.3
holt is 15.3
the only way this deal would get done is if holt and bulger are packaged together. then again, i don't see him doing that either. i'll probably just hang in with what i have right now. i've got LT and julius jones at RB, so scoring points hasn't been a big problem with my current lineup. it's just the qb situation is a little unstable as neither player has really stepped up to the plate yet.
Well, if you factor in the figures you gave me...your fine the way you are.
TO and Ferotten collectively average 33.5 ppg.
Holt and Bulger collectively average 31.8 ppg.
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He has Bulger, Holt and Bruce?? No wonder he wants to dump Bulger, all eggs in 1 basket.
he has mcnabb, b. westbrook, lj smith, and eagles D starting
6 players from 2 teams starting in 8 total positions
too many eggs in one basket, but hes doing pretty good with those eggs
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Well, if you factor in the figures you gave me...your fine the way you are.
TO and Ferotten collectively average 33.5 ppg.
Holt and Bulger collectively average 31.8 ppg.
TO and Ferotten collectively average 33.5 ppg.
Holt and Bulger collectively average 31.8 ppg.
i didn't look at it that way, good thinking
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Originally Posted by tjker
it gets worse, or maybe not
he has mcnabb, b. westbrook, lj smith, and eagles D starting
6 players from 2 teams starting in 8 total positions
too many eggs in one basket, but hes doing pretty good with those eggs
he has mcnabb, b. westbrook, lj smith, and eagles D starting
6 players from 2 teams starting in 8 total positions
too many eggs in one basket, but hes doing pretty good with those eggs
Til' the bye weeks crack the eggs.
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Originally Posted by tjker
top five qbs available in my league
brian griese
tim rattay
kurt warner
joey harrington
josh mccown
2 aren't playing, 1 sucks(JH) who i originally had, 1 is unproven, and griese who's barely holding it together down in tampa
brian griese
tim rattay
kurt warner
joey harrington
josh mccown
2 aren't playing, 1 sucks(JH) who i originally had, 1 is unproven, and griese who's barely holding it together down in tampa
Offer the guy who has Peyton Manning TO and see if he takes it. Peyton's numbers are going to skyrocket, but then again that is still kind of a lateral trade until Peyton throws 6 TD's.
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Originally Posted by SG81
is curtis martin going to have a good week?
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Til' the bye weeks crack the eggs.
week 6
7 players on bye week
4 starters
no backup TE, Def. and a backup RB he can't play in place of westbrook
projected lineup
qb-bulger
rb- nick goings
rb-warrick dunn
wr-torry holt
wr-isaac bruce
te- NONE
Def.-None
kicker-jeff reed
he needs to make some moves
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I would stay away from him this week...since they have no passing game; defenses are bringing the safeties up. They need to establish their passing game, so until then stay away from starting Curtis unless you have to. What are your options though?
agreed, when chad went down, martin took a seat on the bench for me in my other league
would hold off unless you have no other options, and they are playing TB the best defense in the league
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I would stay away from him this week...since they have no passing game; defenses are bringing the safeties up. They need to establish their passing game, so until then stay away from starting Curtis unless you have to. What are your options though?
in total, i have 3 RB's:
Curtis Martin
Ronnie Brown
T.J. Duckett
i need to sit one, so i guess it'll be Martin.
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Originally Posted by SG81
thanks!
in total, i have 3 RB's:
Curtis Martin
Ronnie Brown
T.J. Duckett
i need to sit one, so i guess it'll be Martin.
in total, i have 3 RB's:
Curtis Martin
Ronnie Brown
T.J. Duckett
i need to sit one, so i guess it'll be Martin.
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man, this is the one week i have to start Hasselbeck because daunte is on the bye week, and all the seattle recievers are hurt! oh well, i guess he'll still produce better than daunte can
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Originally Posted by Sdog2012
man, this is the one week i have to start Hasselbeck because daunte is on the bye week, and all the seattle recievers are hurt! oh well, i guess he'll still produce better than daunte can
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Originally Posted by caz1604
I am actually starting Ronnie Brown this week over Caddy and Willie Parker. He is going up against a weak Buffalo defense with no Takeo Spikes for run support. He also had a very good game last week so hopefully he has hit his stride. You know TJ will get you at least one TD.
What's the status though? Is he sharing carries with Williams?