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No those terms are quoted by Truecar which is supposed to be a site similar to edmunds. I haven't dealt with a dealer yet. They collect data (not sure source) and there's a range of sales. For example in the link below Some are getting the vehicle below factory invoice (<$30,841) some under MSRP (<$33,480) and other paid over MSRP. I will check MF from Honda. Not sure sec dep as that was quoted by Truecar.
PS I changed the color to black and the terms slightly change from what I posted.
Use true car as a reference or a starting point. In many cases, it is pretty far off from the reality.
you can negotiate thousands below what is showing on Truecar most of the time.
The purpose of Truecar is so less people get "ripped off" but it does not give you to tools to get the best deal, if you know what i mean.
Think of it like this, if you are paying what truecar says you are paying, then any girl can get the same deal as you. You cannot lose to a girl in buying a car. Never!
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Use truecar as a last resort trump card. You can usually get a better deal if you do your own negotiations. When I bought my Jeep, I just emailed all the dealers in my area exactly what I was looking for (model, trim, colors, and options) and asked to send me their best deal. I went and picked up the cheapest one for ~$3k under invoice and $6k under MSRP.
Also, if you have a Costco membership they also have really good negotiated pricing. Especially on hard to find or in demand cars, definitely go costco. You'll save the membership fee for years in the savings alone.
For not in demand cars, doing the negotiation route will usually be the cheapest.
I've found the Edmunds car find works well too. You just put in what you want and it emails all your local dealers and they compete on price. You print off a slip and come in and they sell you a car.
Typically, i would do my research from the Edmund discussion forum and the specific car forum to see what others are paying.
Find out all the important #s first like money factor, RV, typical discount%, factor incentives and come up with your "reasonable" offer.
Then use the build -> email local dealer features to contact all local dealers at once and they will even reply your email or call you and the negotiation starts there.
It is hard to negotiate without doing your homework and know what you "should" be paying.
BTW when I see an advertised "deal" Only $320 month $3k down payment, I assume it can be beaten right? Because in talking to you guys and others, down payments are BS and instead the way to go is more sec deposits. But I just want to make sure what they advertise isn't the end all.
BTW when I see an advertised "deal" Only $320 month $3k down payment, I assume it can be beaten right? Because in talking to you guys and others, down payments are BS and instead the way to go is more sec deposits. But I just want to make sure what they advertise isn't the end all.
Absolutely can be beaten.
One thing to note though is that for some cars, it might be cheaper to buy new at a low(er) price and sell 3 years later rather than lease. This is especially true with 0% interest loans. Just do the math.
BTW when I see an advertised "deal" Only $320 month $3k down payment, I assume it can be beaten right? Because in talking to you guys and others, down payments are BS and instead the way to go is more sec deposits. But I just want to make sure what they advertise isn't the end all.
advertised deal are BS deals or on cars that dont exist (Sorry, we just sold it. But here is another one)
BTW when I see an advertised "deal" Only $320 month $3k down payment, I assume it can be beaten right? Because in talking to you guys and others, down payments are BS and instead the way to go is more sec deposits. But I just want to make sure what they advertise isn't the end all.
From my experience, those deals always have lots of little catches that can end up tying your hands together & keep you from getting what you really want.
They can definitely be beaten, esp. following the advice here. Some clients have gotten very close to our member deals.
Related to the topic of buying, I'm rediscovering why I dislike buying from private sellers; my bank is as limited as can be on buying used & does not offer any alternative ways to loan money. Finance manager at work a credit union will work more with me as long as I have all my finances in order. Suggested RBFCU, though never heard of them.
We went shopping this weekend and getting acclimated with the segment we are interested in, 7 passenger SUV's. Since she's driving it more I'm letting her have say which to reject.
The SUV's we will consider:
Pilot, Sorrento, CX-9. Pilot is probably our #1 since we both own Accords (on my 2nd). Sorrento I can probably get best terms since my practically brother's dad is the finance mgr at a Kia dealer. CX-9 will have a limited selection since it's brand spanking new and probably the most $.
She didn't care for Pathfinder but it lead this segment, Durango, Traverse, Santa Fe, Acadia, Explorer, nor Highlander.
I have a coworker that looked at a new Pilot and the discounts seem to be few and far between with them. Our local dealer had two in stock. Apparently they hit the lot and they're basically already sold. Honda needs to ramp up production.
We went shopping this weekend and getting acclimated with the segment we are interested in, 7 passenger SUV's. Since she's driving it more I'm letting her have say which to reject.
The SUV's we will consider:
Pilot, Sorrento, CX-9. Pilot is probably our #1 since we both own Accords (on my 2nd). Sorrento I can probably get best terms since my practically brother's dad is the finance mgr at a Kia dealer. CX-9 will have a limited selection since it's brand spanking new and probably the most $.
She didn't care for Pathfinder but it lead this segment, Durango, Traverse, Santa Fe, Acadia, Explorer, nor Highlander.
Haven't seen one in person yet, but I do like the new CX-9.
We looked at the new Pilot before we got our Flex, & my wife (primary driver) didn't love it.
She doesn't like the Flex. I have a FB friend who was shopping Pilot and Highlander and went Toyota because of pricing. I realize I'd have to pay for the Pilot so I already warned her that we'd likely end up with the Kia.
An hour? Fuck that shit! Yeah the Toyota salesman took forever to get the keys and it was hot as balls. Did I mention that I spoke more spanish than english at these dealerships. You can't buy a car as a gringo in Miami apparently.
An hour? Fuck that shit! Yeah the Toyota salesman took forever to get the keys and it was hot as balls. Did I mention that I spoke more spanish than english at these dealerships. You can't buy a car as a gringo in Miami apparently.
Yeah, it was some crazy blowout sale day. No cars in the showroom, just long tablets & chairs.
Saw that & we were out.
Ended up with what we really needed with the Flex, a box on wheels. Perfect for the wife's business, though we've just about hit the space limit with it & will likely be adding a small cargo trailer soon.
I have a coworker that looked at a new Pilot and the discounts seem to be few and far between with them. Our local dealer had two in stock. Apparently they hit the lot and they're basically already sold. Honda needs to ramp up production.
Do you have a Costco membership? They pre-negotiate all the pricing for all cars and it's usually damn good (at or below invoice) regardless of demand for the car and the participating dealer is required to sell you the car at that price or lose the Costco sponsorship and a large penalty.
I know they'll for sure have deals on cars like the Pilot but the negotiated rates will save you thousands on more in demand, small production volume cars that are new to the market.
Do you have a Costco membership? They pre-negotiate all the pricing for all cars and it's usually damn good (at or below invoice) regardless of demand for the car and the participating dealer is required to sell you the car at that price or lose the Costco sponsorship and a large penalty.
I know they'll for sure have deals on cars like the Pilot but the negotiated rates will save you thousands on more in demand, small production volume cars that are new to the market.
I don't but I am not sure if he does. I'll tell him to look into it, thanks!!!
^^^ you can see the front end is raised - it looks like the car has some mechanism for ground clearance -
You know, that's pretty smart... Having a "driveway" mode, or "speedbump" mode so one doesn't need to do a 16-point turn up a parking lot entrance, or do the slambro wiggle over a speed bump.
Or to get onto the flatbed like that. Probably call that one "Cars-n-coffee-transit" mode.
You know, that's pretty smart... Having a "driveway" mode, or "speedbump" mode so one doesn't need to do a 16-point turn up a parking lot entrance, or do the slambro wiggle over a speed bump.
Or to get onto the flatbed like that. Probably call that one "Cars-n-coffee-transit" mode.
I wonder if it's still an arm & a leg to service the lifting mechanism like it was in the 90's.
Delivered an F-Type R today. My lord, hitting the active exhaust and not even taking the car all the way to 7,000rpm might just be one of the quickest nut busting sounds I ever heard. If I had Boosted Jack money, I'd have one of these for the noise alone although it rides extremely well on the streets.
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