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Mind sharing what dyno was used? air temp? and elevation?
The 3.5 L engine has 280 HP stock,hypothetically speaking lets assume that the mods without the tune compensated for most of the driveline loss putting you at 270 WHP. I am cautiously optimistic of your results as it is highly impossible to gain 51 HP from a N/A engine with an ECU tune, boosted engine yes.
Don't get me wrong,would love it if the TL could produce these numbers.
Sure thing,
Dyno was a mustang dyno
Ambient air temp was around 89 degrees Fahrenheit.
I'm in Orlando so elevation is right around sea level
I'm also assuming he didn't continue running the vehicle with high ECTs or high IATs as both of these can pull timing considerably as well. If all of your runs weren't done at close temperatures they can vary quite a bit. You didn't really mention if there were breaks in between runs or that he at least waited for temperatures to cool down before running again, so I'll add this info for everyone as well.
Running with the ECT in the 170s (176 being the target) is key to repeatable dyno tuning. This is Honda's target normal operating temperature for most platforms and where no timing adjustments will be made against the current ECT temp. A lot of tuners will continue running the vehicle over and over and these TLs get hot quick. With three runs on top of each other, starting at 174, we saw upwards of 205 degree ECTs. At 203 ECT the ECU is pulling 5 degrees of timing and causing substantial power loss. This is on top of any existing knock retard that's already being applied. Good info for anyone attempting to tune these vehicles.
there were no breaks really.(which is was kinda of worries about, tuning for 3 hours with no break)
When we pulled 321 the ect was around 180ish but after that pull it started to climb to 212ish so that may contribute to the loss of power. after we couldn't get similar numbers we reverted to using the base tune #1 that comes pre loaded with the ktuner, maybe I might try doing an Etune and getting redynod to see.
We also started seeing 1 knock ping after that pull but not during that 321 pull
there were no breaks really.(which is was kinda of worries about, tuning for 3 hours with no break)
When we pulled 321 the ect was around 180ish but after that pull it started to climb to 212ish so that may contribute to the loss of power. after we couldn't get similar numbers we reverted to using the base tune #1 that comes pre loaded with the ktuner, maybe I might try doing an Etune and getting redynod to see.
We also started seeing 1 knock ping after that pull but not during that 321 pull
Ya, that could explain the variance. I still haven't heard from your tuner, but I'll definitely give him the same suggestions I mentioned in the previous posts.
Ya, that could explain the variance. I still haven't heard from your tuner, but I'll definitely give him the same suggestions I mentioned in the previous posts.
I'm not sure what's going with them not emailing you, before I left the shop he said he sent you an email, probably didn't, they are closed today.
Here are the images for the 3 numbers I mentioned, only got pic of 1 powerband http://imgur.com/a/CieBa
With the mods you mentioned if you manage to put 321whp down and lock in that tune that's wild. That would change my entire perspective on the TL as a platform for mods/tuning.
I'm attaching one of the dyno sheets from our testing and the same sheet with circles pointing out some areas of interest. We spent a lot of time collecting data on the dyno and made some interesting discoveries about the platform that I missed on the first vehicle I tuned since I didn't have nearly the same amount of time with the vehicle. Once again I want to thank RV6 for providing the dyno access and actually coming through on delivering the graphs. I also want to thank the guys who helped with original testing and the owner of this 2012 SH. We're currently waiting on Big Mo to come back in and get us stock and possibly JPIPE numbers with the new tunes. He had a mechanical issue which prevented us from dynoing and has taken it to the dealer. A release with new tunes for the SH will follow after we finish that up.
The red line on the graph is how this 2012 SH AT came in on the factory tune. You can see it was running extremely rich and is just lacking on top end smoothness. HFPCs helped lean the vehicle out a bit, but it was still on the extremely rich side. With tuning fuel and ignition we successfully picked up power through the entire range and smoothed out top end power, which after peak was up to a roughly 14-15hp gain. That's comparing the tune which held power on the top vs the factory tune where power is dropping after peak power was made. It provides a completely different experience on the top end now.
When looking at the results keep in mind this is a mustang dyno, which reads lower by default, the vehicle was an AT trans, and it's AWD. Taking those things into account the gains are pretty substantial. I would hope this would clear up any misconceptions of whether tuning can do something for this, and other, platforms in the Honda/Acura family.
We are still looking for a local FWD 3.5 to do the same testing on, as the tunes will not be the same.
I've stated before E-tuning and dyno tuning will always provide a more tailored tune to your setup and will allow the tuner to get more aggressive with it. These tunes are going to be included, but still leave some room for individual improvements so they're safe.
Factory vs HFPCs vs HFPCs Tuned
Points of interest for tuning the TL SH.
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Great to see some dyno results! Hopefully this serves as reassurance to those who were skeptical. Great to see the system is functioning as designed for the 4G!
Good to see you on the boards Kenny! I've actually called you a couple times recently with some questions and am planning on heading down your way in December to get a tune. I look forward to working with you.
Bronco, there's so many companies in this business that forget that providing a great product is only 1/2 the business, customer service is the other 50%; Kenny has both down pat.
Bronco, there's so many companies in this business that forget that providing a great product is only 1/2 the business, customer service is the other 50%; Kenny has both down pat.
I'm actually driving down this weekend to visit Kenny and get my car tuned.
I'm seeing lots of praises about him, both on the forums and his Facebook page. I'm excited to see what he can pull out of my car and how his service is.
Bronco, there's so many companies in this business that forget that providing a great product is only 1/2 the business, customer service is the other 50%; Kenny has both down pat.
So I'm guessing that everyone here tuning their car with Kenny is doing an etune? Is this effective as doing a dyno tune? I've heard nothing but great reviews about Kenny so I am definitely interested.
Bronco, there's so many companies in this business that forget that providing a great product is only 1/2 the business, customer service is the other 50%; Kenny has both down pat.
Originally Posted by KarKraze
Totally agree with you. for Kenny.
Nice, glad to hear that! My first impression of him was favorable as he's answered quite a few of my questions in detail and was never in a rush to get me off the phone.
Originally Posted by Brandon J. Downhour
I'm actually driving down this weekend to visit Kenny and get my car tuned.
I'm seeing lots of praises about him, both on the forums and his Facebook page. I'm excited to see what he can pull out of my car and how his service is.
That's great! Do you have FWD or AWD? Also, what performance mods do you have? I'm excited to hear about the results. Hoping to see you at a meet some time in Orlando. I've only been to one but I was the only 4G.
Originally Posted by ffmjst
So I'm guessing that everyone here tuning their car with Kenny is doing an etune? Is this effective as doing a dyno tune? I've heard nothing but great reviews about Kenny so I am definitely interested.
Brandon and I will be doing a dyno tune since we're only a few hours away from him. KK is doing the etune and he's been happy with it so far.
Nice, glad to hear that! My first impression of him was favorable as he's answered quite a few of my questions in detail and was never in a rush to get me off the phone.
That's great! Do you have FWD or AWD? Also, what performance mods do you have? I'm excited to hear about the results. Hoping to see you at a meet some time in Orlando. I've only been to one but I was the only 4G.
Brandon and I will be doing a dyno tune since we're only a few hours away from him. KK is doing the etune and he's been happy with it so far.
Good to hear, I didn't know that he does dyno tunes as well. I thought he only he only did etune's and remote tuning. Definitely interested in doing an etune with Kenny though because of how well he knows Honda/Acuras. I know a great dyno tuner down here about a hour away that was actually recommended by KTuner as well but the price is a little high for me for dyno tune+KTuner product but in the end I want my car to be tuned to the best it can be so I'm trying to decide between an etune and dyno tune.
[QUOTE=ucf_bronco;15523225]Nice, glad to hear that! My first impression of him was favorable as he's answered quite a few of my questions in detail and was never in a rush to get me off the phone.
That's great! Do you have FWD or AWD? Also, what performance mods do you have? I'm excited to hear about the results. Hoping to see you at a meet some time in Orlando. I've only been to one but I was the only 4G.
I didn't really know of any meets in orlando. I got the FWD model.
I got
P2R Throttle Body Spacer
Takeda Intake
RV6 HFPC
ATLP Jpipe
ATLP Test Pipe
Borla Mufflers
Base run with mods at Central FLorida Turbo Base run with all mods
Final run after 4 hours of tuning at central florida turbo After 4 hours of tuning
We only got 321 about 2 times and couldnt replicate it again.
Thats why im driving down to see kenny, since is more experienced with Ktuner and tuning newer honda/acuras.
Nice, glad to hear that! My first impression of him was favorable as he's answered quite a few of my questions in detail and was never in a rush to get me off the phone.
That's great! Do you have FWD or AWD? Also, what performance mods do you have? I'm excited to hear about the results. Hoping to see you at a meet some time in Orlando. I've only been to one but I was the only 4G.
I didn't really know of any meets in orlando. I got the FWD model.
I got
P2R Throttle Body Spacer
Takeda Intake
RV6 HFPC
ATLP Jpipe
ATLP Test Pipe
Borla Mufflers
Base run with mods at Central FLorida Turbo Base run with all mods
Final run after 4 hours of tuning at central florida turbo After 4 hours of tuning
We only got 321 about 2 times and couldnt replicate it again.
Thats why im driving down to see kenny, since is more experienced with Ktuner and tuning newer honda/acuras.
CFT? You mean the guys with that hella fast integra that walk the Viper a few years back?
Hey guys, maybe someone can help me out...I'm trying to install my tune, but evrytime I try to lock the tuner to my ecu it says the tuner has been locked already....When I look at the device info it says unlocked??? Thanks
Scratch that...... Software error
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Here are the results from driving down to see Kenny(TurboGixxer) to tune my FWD TL.
Base run of 261WHP, Final tune of 277WHP.
Note that the air temp was at 95 degrees F and the humidity was at 65%.
My previous dyno/tune the air temp was at 88 degress, i do not recall the humidity.
Here are the results from driving down to see Kenny(TurboGixxer) to tune my FWD TL.
Base run of 261WHP, Final tune of 277WHP.
Note that the air temp was at 95 degrees F and the humidity was at 65%.
My previous dyno/tune the air temp was at 88 degress, i do not recall the humidity.
This is all I needed to see. I have the AWD but I'm sure with the 6-Speed should work wonders.
I posted a dyno from the SH-AWD earlier on this page. Good gains, especially on the top end after peak. Those tunes will be available in an update today.
Also available for all TLs will be sensor disables for Front and Rear O2s, EGR, VTP, ELD, and others.
for Kenny.
