Formula One: 2023 Season News and Discussion Thread
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Why is the F1 Aston so quick? By Scarbs with Peter Windsor
I didn't know that AM use MB wind tunnel as well. Very good explanation on the AM advantages, low drag, high downforce, good tire management, easy to drive and little if any porpoising.
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Laurent Mekies wants to quit Ferrari due to CEO “discontent”, has offers from Alpine,
Ferrari upper management meddling
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/102201...ceo-discontent
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/102201...ceo-discontent
Laurent Mekies wants to quit Ferrari due to CEO “discontent”, has offers from Alpine, F1 and the FIA
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I didn't know that AM use MB wind tunnel as well. Very good explanation on the AM advantages, low drag, high downforce, good tire management, easy to drive and little if any porpoising.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za0aHDtr7no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za0aHDtr7no
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YouTube pushing me closer to making the jump to F1TV
Price increase (only $8) starting next month.
Price increase (only $8) starting next month.
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As much as I'm not a hard core LH fan, I still find it hard to see him losing Angela Cullen, esp. with the embarrassingly slow MBZ form of late.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...R5Q3KEOgA.html
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...R5Q3KEOgA.html
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I can't believe the penalty against Alonso.
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Bizarre ruling. If someone is touching the car, it's considered working on the car. That's my understanding from watching racing for 30+ years. Don't know why that's a hard concept to get an agreement on. If this is not a penalty. what's to stop the tire guys from placing the air guns on the wheel nuts next time?
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Bizarre ruling. If someone is touching the car, it's considered working on the car. That's my understanding from watching racing for 30+ years. Don't know why that's a hard concept to get an agreement on. If this is not a penalty. what's to stop the tire guys from placing the air guns on the wheel nuts next time?
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"In support of the Petition for Review, the Stewards were shown minutes of the latest SAC meeting and video evidence of 7 different instances where cars were touched by the jack while serving a similar penalty to the one imposed on Car 14 without being penalized.
"The clear submission by the Team was that the alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute 'working' on the car for the purposes of Article 54.4 (c) of the Sporting Regulations, was incorrect and therefore the basis of the Stewards' decision was wrong. ....
"In support of the Petition for Review, the Stewards were shown minutes of the latest SAC meeting and video evidence of 7 different instances where cars were touched by the jack while serving a similar penalty to the one imposed on Car 14 without being penalized.
"The clear submission by the Team was that the alleged representation of an agreement between the FIA and the teams that touching the car in any way, including with a jack, would constitute 'working' on the car for the purposes of Article 54.4 (c) of the Sporting Regulations, was incorrect and therefore the basis of the Stewards' decision was wrong. ....
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My issue isn't the rule itself. Its that it took the stewards 32 laps to make the initial decision and then 3 additional hours to review/overturn it. I'm also not a big fan of penalties being doled out after the checkered flag though
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What I'm mainly opposed to are penalties that effect my AZ F1 Fantasy points.
Other than those, I'm pretty flexible.
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Points and podium reinstated late yesterday.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...6nYsnR1id.html
, that amount of time was ridiculous to issue a penalty. There was radio talk between Alons and his race engineer over it, that it seemed like it was going to be OK in the late stages in the race.
I'm glad Alonso got his points and position back however that said, both his penalty's are pretty clear in the rulebook. Gotta place you car within the grid box markers at the start and no one touches the car during a penalty. Alonso with 357 starts should know the 1st rule and the 2nd the team should know. It's still inconsistent that both rules are broken with no penalty's at times from F1.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...6nYsnR1id.html
I'm glad Alonso got his points and position back however that said, both his penalty's are pretty clear in the rulebook. Gotta place you car within the grid box markers at the start and no one touches the car during a penalty. Alonso with 357 starts should know the 1st rule and the 2nd the team should know. It's still inconsistent that both rules are broken with no penalty's at times from F1.
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Going into this season, I thought there would be confusion with separating the Alfa Romeo and Ferrari cars because of the similar liveries. But yesterday, my biggest struggle with the AlphaTauri and Haas cars. From the front view, they almost exactly look the same. I did watch the race from my laptop, so maybe it was easier on a large tv.
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Those do look similar.
Also, the Alfa were so slow in Saudi, wasn't hard to separate them from the Ferrari.
Not sure how you go from best of the rest to running last in 2 race's time.
Also, the Alfa were so slow in Saudi, wasn't hard to separate them from the Ferrari.
Not sure how you go from best of the rest to running last in 2 race's time.
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So glad to see Alonso up on the podium on what's turning out to be a regular basis. He was always one of my favorite drivers. Ferrari? IN THE WEEDS FFS, it's nearly unbearable to watch them they're so bad.
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Haas accused of violating sanctions, doing business with Russian arms industry
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Why does Norris look like he has a black eye in this?
It's a classic McLaren vs Williams season...at the back of the field. In 1993, Williams won the championship with McLaren finishing 2nd. Who would have thought that in 30 years, the two would be potentially fighting for last place?
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https://racer.com/2023/03/23/key-lea...l-restructure/
Heads are rolling fast this early in the season.
Executive technical director James Key has left McLaren as the team undergoes a restructuring that sees Ferrari’s former head of vehicle concept David Sanchez return.
Key had been with McLaren since March of 2019 and oversaw a strong first two years as the team finished third in the constructors’ championship in 2020 and fourth a year later. However, it has been less competitive under the new technical regulations — yet to score a point this season after admitting the team only uncovered a design direction late in development — and McLaren will now split technical director duties across three roles as Key departs.
Key had been with McLaren since March of 2019 and oversaw a strong first two years as the team finished third in the constructors’ championship in 2020 and fourth a year later. However, it has been less competitive under the new technical regulations — yet to score a point this season after admitting the team only uncovered a design direction late in development — and McLaren will now split technical director duties across three roles as Key departs.
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^ Design by committee at McLaren, normally doesn't work out well.
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Why Porsche’s F1 bid for 2026 entry has finally ended
Porsche is out for 2026
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Still makes no sense for VAG to have two competing teams.
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F1 Driver Esteban Ocon Breaks Down Racing Movies | GQ Sports
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The Red Bull brake system tweaks playing a key part in its F1 success
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https://www.thedrive.com/news/more-f...-race-weekends
Formula 1 drivers aren’t exactly known for giving up any room on track, but some are floating the idea that’s what they’re willing to do. Motorsport.com reported Thursday that drivers, including McLaren’s Lando Norris and Mercedes’ George Russell, say they support a restructured format that could eliminate three practice sessions completely and hand over that track time to F2 and F3 series’ drivers instead.
“For my time in [F2], when you see the cost of how much it is to do this series versus the amount of laps you get, it's shocking… it's really stupid,” Norris said. "To give them more track time… it's definitely a good thing for junior drivers to get that from Formula 1."
Mercedes’ Russell, who won the F2 championship in 2018, largely agreed: "I don't think it's right that Formula 1 has three times the amount of practice that you have in the F3 and F2 categories. They should be the ones to get more practice, also because they're doing less races, they don't get to test that often."
While that may be true, it’s almost undeniable that F1 drivers—with prior sim work, previous racing experience, and everything else—probably don’t need to sight their laps much more than one or two times ahead of the race. F1 engineers tasked with setup would likely take all the data they can get, but a surprise here or there in F1 wouldn’t be entirely unwelcome, considering the past couple of snoozefest races we’ve had so far this year.
F1 brass is reportedly considering a format that could scrap practice completely, and include qualifying on Friday, a sprint race on Saturday, and full Grand Prix on Sunday. A medium-stakes Friday qualifying session might be more interesting than a no-stakes practice session, which produces more penalties than drama in most cases. (Let’s not forget the 2006 Hungary Grand Prix and Fernando Alonso’s hilarious penalties.) At any rate, other drivers aren’t so jazzed about the idea. Red Bull’s Max Verstappen reportedly said he wasn’t in favor of changing the format too much—or at all—likely because it appears to be working very well for him.
“For my time in [F2], when you see the cost of how much it is to do this series versus the amount of laps you get, it's shocking… it's really stupid,” Norris said. "To give them more track time… it's definitely a good thing for junior drivers to get that from Formula 1."
Mercedes’ Russell, who won the F2 championship in 2018, largely agreed: "I don't think it's right that Formula 1 has three times the amount of practice that you have in the F3 and F2 categories. They should be the ones to get more practice, also because they're doing less races, they don't get to test that often."
While that may be true, it’s almost undeniable that F1 drivers—with prior sim work, previous racing experience, and everything else—probably don’t need to sight their laps much more than one or two times ahead of the race. F1 engineers tasked with setup would likely take all the data they can get, but a surprise here or there in F1 wouldn’t be entirely unwelcome, considering the past couple of snoozefest races we’ve had so far this year.
F1 brass is reportedly considering a format that could scrap practice completely, and include qualifying on Friday, a sprint race on Saturday, and full Grand Prix on Sunday. A medium-stakes Friday qualifying session might be more interesting than a no-stakes practice session, which produces more penalties than drama in most cases. (Let’s not forget the 2006 Hungary Grand Prix and Fernando Alonso’s hilarious penalties.) At any rate, other drivers aren’t so jazzed about the idea. Red Bull’s Max Verstappen reportedly said he wasn’t in favor of changing the format too much—or at all—likely because it appears to be working very well for him.
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https://the-race.com/formula-1/alfa-...ign-explained/
The Alfa Romeo Formula 1 team ran on Friday of the Australian Grand Prix with a new nose configuration and modified front wing assembly.
Having focused on the rear end with winter development, the team’s plan was always to bring some front end changes early in the season and this is part of that plan.
Alfa Romeo has removed the slotgap between the forward-most element and the underside of the now-longer nose, which surprises me a bit. Having this slotgap helps the airflow to stay attached to that surface, which means the airflow to the leading edge of the underfloor is more consistent.
The wing itself has a more consistent leading edge with central section just that little bit higher (the red ellipse highlights how the old version differed). This will reduce the potential for this section stalling at very low ride heights, and especially under braking, by letting more flow pass under the lower surface of the front elementThe outboard wing doesn’t have the small raised section (highlighted in the green ellipse on the old wing) on the main plane of second flap anymore. The other two elements look very similar.
This modification should give Alfa Romeo a bit more front end downforce in high-speed corners when the car is low and rolling from the cornering forces.
By attaching the forward element of the wing to the longer nose, Alfa Romeo has been able to remove two of the small inboard slot-gap separators – or in its case forward element supports and add one further outboard to increase the outwash. The yellow ellipses on the two images show the now-removed inboard ones and the added outboard one.
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Having focused on the rear end with winter development, the team’s plan was always to bring some front end changes early in the season and this is part of that plan.
Alfa Romeo has removed the slotgap between the forward-most element and the underside of the now-longer nose, which surprises me a bit. Having this slotgap helps the airflow to stay attached to that surface, which means the airflow to the leading edge of the underfloor is more consistent.
The wing itself has a more consistent leading edge with central section just that little bit higher (the red ellipse highlights how the old version differed). This will reduce the potential for this section stalling at very low ride heights, and especially under braking, by letting more flow pass under the lower surface of the front elementThe outboard wing doesn’t have the small raised section (highlighted in the green ellipse on the old wing) on the main plane of second flap anymore. The other two elements look very similar.
This modification should give Alfa Romeo a bit more front end downforce in high-speed corners when the car is low and rolling from the cornering forces.
By attaching the forward element of the wing to the longer nose, Alfa Romeo has been able to remove two of the small inboard slot-gap separators – or in its case forward element supports and add one further outboard to increase the outwash. The yellow ellipses on the two images show the now-removed inboard ones and the added outboard one.
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May explain their improved pace in FP2 compared to being so far adrift in Saudi.
That and/or the Alfa isn't developed up to high speed handling yet.
Saudi definitely seemed an outlier after the decent Bahrain performance.
That and/or the Alfa isn't developed up to high speed handling yet.
Saudi definitely seemed an outlier after the decent Bahrain performance.
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That ending was crazy but the red flag seemed like a ploy to just get another start and prevent a SC finish. Too bad for Alpine, that woulda been a good finish for them.
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An exciting first half, meh 2nd half, exciting closing laps & a stupid finish.
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Without Aldo Costa, Mercedes continues to struggle
https://www.autoracing1.com/pl/391828
Since the departure of Costa and Allison, MB have had a more difficult time. Alot of course deals with the rule changes but 2021 even MB struggled with RBR coming on strong.
Not a household name like Newey, but Costa has three more WCC (14) and the same WDC (12) as Newey.
Soft spoken engineer, perhaps not as soft as Bryne (Ferrari), from what I've read about his strong but subtle leadership style at MB.
Since the departure of Costa and Allison, MB have had a more difficult time. Alot of course deals with the rule changes but 2021 even MB struggled with RBR coming on strong.
Not a household name like Newey, but Costa has three more WCC (14) and the same WDC (12) as Newey.
Soft spoken engineer, perhaps not as soft as Bryne (Ferrari), from what I've read about his strong but subtle leadership style at MB.
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Palmer gets into the 2nd restart and how Magnesium had similar retirement in 2019 at the same location where there was only a SC.
His tire was only ~50' from a marshal post which is kinda ridiculous to have a red flag
His tire was only ~50' from a marshal post which is kinda ridiculous to have a red flag
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...xsBOI3RPN.html
Formula 1 has announced a multi-year promotional deal with Paramount+ that will see the subscription service become an official partner of the sport.
As part of the arrangement – which follows on from a successful sports and entertainment collaboration between the two brands last season – the streamer’s popular content offering will come to life at F1 events around the world, with Paramount+ hit series, blockbuster movies and beloved characters taking centre stage inside Fan Zone areas.
Additionally, the partnership will include Paramount+ branding on track and physical trackside signage, digital sponsorships and promotional opportunities in Miami, Montreal, Spielberg, Silverstone, Monza, Suzuka, Austin, Mexico City, Sao Paulo and Las Vegas.
“This partnership exemplifies Formula 1’s ongoing commitment to exploring new avenues to help promote the sport and appeal to new audiences,” said Brandon Snow, Managing Director of Commercial at Formula 1.
“Paramount+ and the content on its platform are hugely popular and like F1 has experienced rapid growth in recent years.
“Together, we will use our global platforms and collective expertise in entertainment to further enhance the fan experience and take both Formula 1 and Paramount+ to new levels."
Marco Nobili, Executive Vice President and International General Manager at Paramount+, added: “Paramount+ continues to seek new, innovative ways to reach our global audiences, and I am confident this partnership with Formula 1 will continue to support our growth globally.
“Becoming an official partner of Formula 1 means bringing the Paramount+ brand and all our characters to life for hundreds of millions of fans worldwide.
“Through this global deal the worlds of motorsport and entertainment will come together, resulting in powerful storytelling opportunities on and off the grid.”
As part of the arrangement – which follows on from a successful sports and entertainment collaboration between the two brands last season – the streamer’s popular content offering will come to life at F1 events around the world, with Paramount+ hit series, blockbuster movies and beloved characters taking centre stage inside Fan Zone areas.
Additionally, the partnership will include Paramount+ branding on track and physical trackside signage, digital sponsorships and promotional opportunities in Miami, Montreal, Spielberg, Silverstone, Monza, Suzuka, Austin, Mexico City, Sao Paulo and Las Vegas.
“This partnership exemplifies Formula 1’s ongoing commitment to exploring new avenues to help promote the sport and appeal to new audiences,” said Brandon Snow, Managing Director of Commercial at Formula 1.
“Paramount+ and the content on its platform are hugely popular and like F1 has experienced rapid growth in recent years.
“Together, we will use our global platforms and collective expertise in entertainment to further enhance the fan experience and take both Formula 1 and Paramount+ to new levels."
Marco Nobili, Executive Vice President and International General Manager at Paramount+, added: “Paramount+ continues to seek new, innovative ways to reach our global audiences, and I am confident this partnership with Formula 1 will continue to support our growth globally.
“Becoming an official partner of Formula 1 means bringing the Paramount+ brand and all our characters to life for hundreds of millions of fans worldwide.
“Through this global deal the worlds of motorsport and entertainment will come together, resulting in powerful storytelling opportunities on and off the grid.”
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If this means ESPN is losing the SkyF1 feed, it'll be the push to get me to sign up for F1TV
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I remember seeing Paramount+ signage at Australia.
I don't think this would impact USA coverage anytime soon. Sports broadcasting rights are always scattered by regions.
I don't think this would impact USA coverage anytime soon. Sports broadcasting rights are always scattered by regions.