Formula One: 2023 Season News and Discussion Thread
#405
That was a fun race to watch, can't even remember the last Monaco I watched from start to finish. Lotta strategy (RBR timed their pit stop perfectly), hats off to Ocon who truly deserved his podium and he didn't touch the rails like so many others. Astounding 18 of 20 cars finished a wet Monaco.
The real hero's of the race were reverse gear that got used so many times by so many drivers, "What it's my turn (pun intended) to shine"
The real hero's of the race were reverse gear that got used so many times by so many drivers, "What it's my turn (pun intended) to shine"
Last edited by Legend2TL; 05-28-2023 at 10:17 AM.
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civicdrivr (05-29-2023)
#406
W14 floor
New floor for W14, after Hamilton practice accident. So while MB copied the front upper suspension anti-dive geometry of RBR they didn't copy the rear underfloor side vanes that supposedly divert high velocity low pressure airfloor to the side to prevent stalling the floor/diffuser and porpoising.
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civicdrivr (05-29-2023)
#408
Anyone watch the race using ESPN streaming? It was almost unwatchable, as there was severe stuttering. It made everything appear in slow motion. Interestingly, the audio was perfectly fine. It's now fixed, so I was finally able to watch it.
#410
I watched the race live on ESPN/ABC. The new camera views around the track and with helicopters was outstanding. Can't remember but IIRC there was some camera controversy with the Monaco GP with F1 and the country of Monaco some years back. Whatever they did, the new race coverage was outstanding especially in parts of the track that rarely got coverage in the past (4-5, 13-16)
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csmeance (05-31-2023)
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csmeance (05-31-2023)
#412
https://racer.com/2023/06/01/haas-al...-introductory/
That's unexpected. Looks like Alfa Romeo wants to stick around.
Haas team principal Guenther Steiner says his recent meeting with Alfa Romeo’s CEO was only an introductory talk and there has been no discussion of any potential partnership at this stage.
It was reported in Monaco that a meeting took place to agree a title sponsorship deal for when Alfa Romeo leaves Sauber at the end of this year, despite Haas already having a deal in place with MoneyGram. Steiner says he did meet with Alfa Romeo CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato but only to be introduced and he doesn’t know if there is any interest in partnering with his team in future.
“A lot of people are saying that (it’ll be a title partner) to me, but the only ones who haven’t told me that yet are Alfa Romeo!” Steiner said. “They are looking at what they are doing in the future, they came to see us to see how we are doing and it was an introduction, nothing else. I never met the CEO before in my life and we just got introduced, I think on the Sunday — I don’t even remember the day — in Monte Carlo. There was nothing to hide, we just said hello and that was it. I don’t know what they are doing in the future.
It was reported in Monaco that a meeting took place to agree a title sponsorship deal for when Alfa Romeo leaves Sauber at the end of this year, despite Haas already having a deal in place with MoneyGram. Steiner says he did meet with Alfa Romeo CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato but only to be introduced and he doesn’t know if there is any interest in partnering with his team in future.
“A lot of people are saying that (it’ll be a title partner) to me, but the only ones who haven’t told me that yet are Alfa Romeo!” Steiner said. “They are looking at what they are doing in the future, they came to see us to see how we are doing and it was an introduction, nothing else. I never met the CEO before in my life and we just got introduced, I think on the Sunday — I don’t even remember the day — in Monte Carlo. There was nothing to hide, we just said hello and that was it. I don’t know what they are doing in the future.
#413
Saw that yesterday & was going to post it, but it didn't really have a lot of substance behind it.
Would make some sense with Haas using the Ferrari PU, so the Alfa connection can be made there.
Would make some sense with Haas using the Ferrari PU, so the Alfa connection can be made there.
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Chief F1 Fan (06-08-2023)
#419
Since Haas has an office in Maranello now, it also makes sense for optics.
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00TL-P3.2 (06-02-2023)
#421
USGP is Detroit to me , I went six times from 1983-88
That said, a friend went to several Watkins Glen GP's in the 70's, saw some great races at a real race track and not some street circuit
That said, a friend went to several Watkins Glen GP's in the 70's, saw some great races at a real race track and not some street circuit
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#425
Loved those old 80's and 90's Marlboro swag. Not just in F1, but also in IndyCar and 500cc.
I remember buying a whole box of Marlboro's just to be able to redeem Marlboro Team Penske swag back around the early 90's. Had to cut each UPC code from each pack. And since I don't smoke. I just threw the cigarettes into the trash afterwards.
I remember buying a whole box of Marlboro's just to be able to redeem Marlboro Team Penske swag back around the early 90's. Had to cut each UPC code from each pack. And since I don't smoke. I just threw the cigarettes into the trash afterwards.
#426
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/p...s-up/10479182/
Maybe this will have some legs, since it doesn't have that weird 1 year 13" requirement, like the last time this came up.
Maybe F1 goes back to 2 tire suppliers & an extra variable to affect the races?
Earlier this year, the FIA opened up the tender process for F1's official supply contract from 2025 to 2027, with the possibility of it being extended until 2028.
The deadline for applicants was May 15, with the FIA now going through the process of evaluating the proposals from interested parties before making a call on who the approved bidders are on 16 June.
The successful candidates will then move on to the next stage of the process, which will include discussions with F1's commercial rights holder.
The last tyre tender process, from 2020 to 2023, saw Pirelli face a challenge from South Korean company Hankook.
Pirelli was then granted a one-year extension until the end of 2024 due to the delays in the introduction of new technical regulations prompted by the COVID pandemic.
With the deadline for applicants for the 2025-2027 tender having passed, it is understood that Pirelli is not alone in having put in a bid for the new tyre contract.
And while there has been no confirmation from the FIA about the number of candidates nor their identity, sources have suggested that Japanese company Bridgestone has applied.
Bridgestone was last involved in F1 from 1997 to 2010 and had been the single supplier from 2007 onwards following the decision of Michelin to quit the championship at the end of 2006.
Since leaving F1, Bridgestone has remained involved in major Japanese categories as well as other international series. Its Firestone brand is the sole supplier of IndyCar.
Speaking to Motorsport.com recently, Bridgestone's manager of motorsports planning Eiichi Suzuki said that the company was evaluating involvement in other series, including F1.
"We are always thinking about what and how we can best supply our motorsports activities in global categories, including F1," he said. "Of course, we are conducting research on such matters."
Bridgestone itself has, however, declined to confirm whether or not that interest has extended to it formally applying for the tyre tender contract.
A spokesperson for the company said: "Bridgestone has a heritage of over 60 years in motorsports and we will continue to pursue sustainable global motorsports activities. However, we refrain from commenting on any particular categories."
The deadline for applicants was May 15, with the FIA now going through the process of evaluating the proposals from interested parties before making a call on who the approved bidders are on 16 June.
The successful candidates will then move on to the next stage of the process, which will include discussions with F1's commercial rights holder.
The last tyre tender process, from 2020 to 2023, saw Pirelli face a challenge from South Korean company Hankook.
Pirelli was then granted a one-year extension until the end of 2024 due to the delays in the introduction of new technical regulations prompted by the COVID pandemic.
With the deadline for applicants for the 2025-2027 tender having passed, it is understood that Pirelli is not alone in having put in a bid for the new tyre contract.
And while there has been no confirmation from the FIA about the number of candidates nor their identity, sources have suggested that Japanese company Bridgestone has applied.
Bridgestone was last involved in F1 from 1997 to 2010 and had been the single supplier from 2007 onwards following the decision of Michelin to quit the championship at the end of 2006.
Since leaving F1, Bridgestone has remained involved in major Japanese categories as well as other international series. Its Firestone brand is the sole supplier of IndyCar.
Speaking to Motorsport.com recently, Bridgestone's manager of motorsports planning Eiichi Suzuki said that the company was evaluating involvement in other series, including F1.
"We are always thinking about what and how we can best supply our motorsports activities in global categories, including F1," he said. "Of course, we are conducting research on such matters."
Bridgestone itself has, however, declined to confirm whether or not that interest has extended to it formally applying for the tyre tender contract.
A spokesperson for the company said: "Bridgestone has a heritage of over 60 years in motorsports and we will continue to pursue sustainable global motorsports activities. However, we refrain from commenting on any particular categories."
Maybe F1 goes back to 2 tire suppliers & an extra variable to affect the races?
#428
Let back in may not be the proper phrasing.
They had it open before, but it had the caveat that you had to develop/supply 1 year of the 13" tires, then move on to the 18s. No one wanted to take that on, so Pirelli continued on unchallenged.
Let's see how that goes without that requirement.
But, IIRC, isn't 2025 that last proposed year for tire blankets, with them being disallowed for 26? That still leaves a newcomer having to develop a 1-year set of compounds. If so, that's a foolish timing structure by the FIA & seems to keep Pirelli in the driver's seat with no one wanting to take on the expense of finishing out a regulation for 1 year & turn around to start 'over' the next year.
They had it open before, but it had the caveat that you had to develop/supply 1 year of the 13" tires, then move on to the 18s. No one wanted to take that on, so Pirelli continued on unchallenged.
Let's see how that goes without that requirement.
But, IIRC, isn't 2025 that last proposed year for tire blankets, with them being disallowed for 26? That still leaves a newcomer having to develop a 1-year set of compounds. If so, that's a foolish timing structure by the FIA & seems to keep Pirelli in the driver's seat with no one wanting to take on the expense of finishing out a regulation for 1 year & turn around to start 'over' the next year.
#429
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/3...frican-gp-2024
Formula One's plan to hold a South African Grand Prix in 2024 has fallen through, sources have told ESPN, meaning the popular Belgian Grand Prix at Spa-Francorchamps should return for another year.
F1 has been exploring a return to the Kyalami circuit in recent years as part of a push to find a race on the African continent. The South African track hosted 21 F1 races between 1967 and 1993.
The event had the support of seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who told ESPN in May he was pushing F1 for the event to take place as racing in Africa would be "a big dream."
Talks with the original organisers fell through, with questions over the funding behind the project to bring the venue up to modern standards.
New promoters -- Miami-based sports investment company 777 -- had given the event renewed hope of appearing on the 2024 schedule, but sources have told ESPN that will not happen.
According to RacingNews365.com, the race has been abandoned because of South Africa's alleged political alignment with Russia. F1 cancelled the Russian Grand Prix in the wake of the nation's military invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
The Belgian Grand Prix was the race which would have fallen off the schedule at the expense of the Kyalami event and currently only has a deal for the 2023 edition. It is believed Spa will get another year for 2024.
The longer term future of the Spa-Francorchamps event, considered one of the iconic venues on the F1 calendar, is unclear as it is understood to want a long-term deal to remain on the calendar.
F1 is still keen to find a race venue for Africa, which has not hosted a grand prix since 1992.
F1 has been exploring a return to the Kyalami circuit in recent years as part of a push to find a race on the African continent. The South African track hosted 21 F1 races between 1967 and 1993.
The event had the support of seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton, who told ESPN in May he was pushing F1 for the event to take place as racing in Africa would be "a big dream."
Talks with the original organisers fell through, with questions over the funding behind the project to bring the venue up to modern standards.
New promoters -- Miami-based sports investment company 777 -- had given the event renewed hope of appearing on the 2024 schedule, but sources have told ESPN that will not happen.
According to RacingNews365.com, the race has been abandoned because of South Africa's alleged political alignment with Russia. F1 cancelled the Russian Grand Prix in the wake of the nation's military invasion of Ukraine in 2022.
The Belgian Grand Prix was the race which would have fallen off the schedule at the expense of the Kyalami event and currently only has a deal for the 2023 edition. It is believed Spa will get another year for 2024.
The longer term future of the Spa-Francorchamps event, considered one of the iconic venues on the F1 calendar, is unclear as it is understood to want a long-term deal to remain on the calendar.
F1 is still keen to find a race venue for Africa, which has not hosted a grand prix since 1992.
#432
I can see Bridgestone making a bid.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/michel...roy-themselves
#433
#435
Loved those old 80's and 90's Marlboro swag. Not just in F1, but also in IndyCar and 500cc.
I remember buying a whole box of Marlboro's just to be able to redeem Marlboro Team Penske swag back around the early 90's. Had to cut each UPC code from each pack. And since I don't smoke. I just threw the cigarettes into the trash afterwards.
I remember buying a whole box of Marlboro's just to be able to redeem Marlboro Team Penske swag back around the early 90's. Had to cut each UPC code from each pack. And since I don't smoke. I just threw the cigarettes into the trash afterwards.
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#436
I "stole" a vinyl advertising banner that decorated the fence at the Detroit GP back in the mid 90's. These were the large "Marlboro Team Penske" banners that they hung around the course.
At the end of the race, people were just sniping the banners off the fencing and taking them home. So I snagged one as well. Hung it in my garage for years. Not sure where it is now after moving.
At the end of the race, people were just sniping the banners off the fencing and taking them home. So I snagged one as well. Hung it in my garage for years. Not sure where it is now after moving.
#439
Red Bull genius Adrian Newey admits F1 career ‘on a countdown’ after landmark win
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/102950...r-landmark-win
100 wins for RBR and 200 wins for Newey, quite an achievement for both. Hats off to them
Quite a career and while it's on the backside it's not over yet.....
100 wins for RBR and 200 wins for Newey, quite an achievement for both. Hats off to them
“My career can’t go on forever. As long as the team wants me and I keep enjoying it I’ll keep going, but realistically it’s on a countdown."