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The way I understand it, it looks like Hamilton will start pole for Saturday's sprint race, but then the ICE penalty will drop him 5 places for the start of the race on Sunday. So if he finishes 2nd in the sprint race, he should start 7th on Sunday.
However, if this technical infringement with the wing is confirmed, he may be excluded from the qualifying results, which I suspect means that he had no qualifying time, meaning he will start last on Saturday. And after that, he probably will get ANOTHER 5 grid penalty for Sunday.
I haven't read anything that states this, but this is what I think is happening based on snippets of different stories.
Just found this and you're correct F-C on the start position any any additional penalties to LH "Lewis Hamilton took P1 in Brazil qualifying, but he appeared to think his grid penalty will be applied in Saturday’s sprint, rather than Sunday’s grand prix.
A quirk of a sprint qualifying weekend means that any pre-existing grid penalties are applied after the sprint and before the grand prix, as the sprint does not technically qualify as a ‘race’ due to it setting the provisional grid for Sunday.
Hamilton will take a five-place drop after Mercedes he changed his Internal Combustion Engine at Interlagos, but this will happen on Sunday after the grid is fully set after sprint qualifying, meaning he will start the race no higher than sixth. He could yet even drop out of the qualifying standings altogether with the FIA investigating a possible DRS infringement on the rear wing of Hamilton’s W12.
This is BOGUS! Is this F1's way to manufacture the championship so to give RB a penalty to match Mercedes penalty?
If they give Max a penalty for this "infraction" it will go down as one of the most blatant biases since Schumacher's penalty for passing Hill on the formation lap at Silverstone.
Drivers have always looked at other cars in parc ferme. It's not like they are taking a ruler to measure any dimensions.
Seems like a game of inches between Red Bull and Mercedes right now. So looking at the weather, it will not rain on Sunday, but it will be 10 degrees warmer on Sunday than Saturday. It was mentioned this weekend that the Red Bull tire performance is better when it is warmer, so it'd be interesting to see if that pans out during the warmer race day.
True, but imo that move was egregious and deserving of a time penalty. It wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it doesn't look good when he gets away with a move like that. He opened up the wheel and drove off track, pushing Hamilton very wide.
True, but imo that move was egregious and deserving of a time penalty. It wouldn't matter in the grand scheme of things but it doesn't look good when he gets away with a move like that. He opened up the wheel and drove off track, pushing Hamilton very wide.
It is "too early" to consider protesting against Mercedes, despite the reigning champions emerging suddenly with "incredible" straightline speed in Brazil.
"We need to look at where that speed comes from," said Red Bull boss Christian Horner.
"It's not normal and we need to look at it, but it's too early to protest."
Lewis Hamilton, who closed his points deficit to Max Verstappen to 14 points with his win on Sunday, had his Friday pole position taken away for a breach of the DRS rules.
But Red Bull also suspects that the rear wing overly flexes.
"That would be our very last resort," said Dr Helmut Marko when asked if a protest is now on the cards.
"First we would try to have the parts that we believe are not compliant changed. But we do not yet have enough facts to be able to proceed," he added.
Marko said Mercedes has pulled off producing a "rocket" of a new engine for Hamilton to tackle the final races - a feat has says is a "mystery to us".
"With us, a new engine brings three to five kilowatts. Hamilton's new engine brings a good 15.
"Mercedes says they have an insane amount of engine wear, but that won't help us because then the championship will be over.
"Now we are trying to understand how everything works."
Marko said his preference would be a new technical directive relating to rear wing flexibility, while Mercedes team boss Toto Wolff said the FIA could disassemble the wing into "a hundred parts" and still find nothing illegal.
"One directive appeared after Mercedes' request at the start of the season," Marko said, "so we can influence the emergence of a new one."
For his part, Mercedes' Hamilton was also slapped with a fine for undoing his seatbelts on the post-chequer lap at Interlagos - but insisted he remains steadfast for the final trio of races.
"I wouldn't say it's revenge - that's not my style," the seven time world champion said after winning on Sunday.
"But there did seem to be many forces that were against us this weekend and we just fought on as a team," he told the Spanish broadcaster DAZN.
"This is what a world championship battle should look like."
I'm sure that Mercedes is going to say this is sour grapes from Red Bull.....however, it's undeniable that something "unusual" happened at Sao Paulo. The speed advantage on Hamilton's car made is look like every other driver in the race was using an F2 car. Especially with how close the racing has been all year, the performance of the Mercedes just seemed somewhat unreal.
Great race(s). Was up til after 11 last night catching up.
Not sure if it was all down to the new ICE for LH, but he was absolutely flying. Good to see some team encouragement for VB, he was reeling MV in at the end, just not quite quick enough.
Agreed - something was definitely up or changed significantly with Hamilton's car in yesterday's race.
I don't think it was completely MBZ's unexplained gains in fact I think it can be explained that the front end of the RBR was burning up tires quicker than MBZ was, ditto the rears. MBZ did a lot of work in Brackley between Mexico and Brazil to understand where they made a mistake in set up in 2019 where RBR was markedly quicker and won against them. MBZ got their set up dead on and won, the key being traction out of Turns 4 & 12 where when RBR's rears were giving up the fight quicker against MBZ's, the latter was able to capitalize.
Agreed and I'm sure that is part of it. MV was able to put or at least keep distance between he and LH in most of the curves but LW absolutely had more speed in the straightaways. And not to mention once LH was ahead of MV he simply pulled away. Didn't see what the final difference between #1 and #2 was but at one point I thought I saw it at 7+ seconds. Now its RBR's turn to figure out how to make up the difference/answer the change.
Lewis finished 10.5s ahead of Max
Valtteri was about 3s behind Max. He was around 9 seconds behind Max when Lewis made the pass & took 6 seconds out of the gap over about 10 laps.
Ricciardo was battling for the points at Interlagos on Sunday when he suffered a sudden loss of power and had to drop out of the race.
Following an initial investigation at the track, McLaren discovered a problem with components relating to its power unit installation.
McLaren team principal Andreas Seidl said: "We had a power loss on track. In the initial investigation we found a technical issue, a crack on the chassis side of the power unit installation, which we need to now investigate. I can give you a better update next week in Qatar."
Ricciardo reckoned that if he had not hit trouble then there was a chance that he could have pulled off a one-stop strategy to beat Ferrari duo Carlos Sainz and Charles Leclerc.
"We knew they had to two-stop," said the Australian. "I think they had a bit more pace but maybe through strategy we could've disrupted them.
"But then we had a loss of power and had to retire the car. Definitely a shame, but it was a much more promising day than [Saturday]. We'll take the positives from that, and we've got another chance next week."
Ricciardo's failure added to a troubled afternoon for McLaren, with Lando Norris having had his hopes of a strong finish dashed by a puncture caused in a clash with Sainz off the line.
Although McLaren is locked in a fight with Ferrari for third place in the constructors' championship, Seidl felt there was no malice in the incident.
Speaking about the Norris puncture, Seidl said: "He had a great launch. And I think Carlos had quite a bad start.
"Lando had to go somewhere and on the outside it's very tight out there. I think he simply ran out of space and unfortunately touched the front wing of Carlos, causing the puncture. It was an unlucky racing incident.
"In terms of the recovery drive, the car was damaged. He lost quite a bit of downforce on the rear axle, some damage from the puncture I think. Then he did a great recovery drive."
Norris was able to recover to finish in 10th place but, on a day when Ferrari took fifth and sixth, the Woking-based team's hopes of ending the season third in the standings are fading.
McLaren is now 31.5 points behind Ferrari, with three races remaining.
The Saudi Arabian Grand Prix is "up against it" to complete the Jeddah facility set to host the country's first Formula One race on Dec. 5.
Photos have emerged in the past week showing the facility far from completed in terms of both the circuit and the paddock and pit complex, raising concerns the venue will not be ready in time.
FIA race director Michael Masi is visiting the circuit on Tuesday to inspect and give the track formal sign off to host the race.
F1 is sticking to the line that the race will be ready to host the penultimate round of the championship, although sporting director Steve Nielsen, one of the key figures in bringing new facilities to the calendar, has said there's still a lot that needs doing.
"It's an ambitious project, it will be a great facility," Nielsen told Autosport.
"They're up against it, they are. But they're literally working 24/7 as they have been for quite a long time now. I saw some more photos this morning, and they've made huge progress. But still a lot to do.
"So it really is going to be down to the wire. But they'll get it done. Everything we need to put the race on safely we'll have, I'm confident of that."
After Sunday's Brazilian Grand Prix, Masi said: "I'm confident that it will be ready.
"It was always going to be very close. There's no doubt about that.
"Everything that I've seen, the progress day-on-day and week-on-week has been amazing since I was there last. Looking forward to having a look Tuesday."
onboard from Max’s car. Initially, i was under the impression that Max pushed Lewis wide as well but onboard may have redeemed him for me
Definitely looks like understeer & he didn't open up the wheel into the turn.
Now, whether he turned in late, to close LH off
He missed the apex by about 1/3 car-width, but wasn't as far to the right as you'd normally be to hit the prime line, with Lewis steaming up the outside.
Onboard with Max L48, Turn 4 Sa Paolo. Watch the video, when LH is next to him and slightly ahead Max's hands at :13 in and position of the vehicle looks as though they are going to hit the apex. At :14 after he's driven LH off the track, completely missed the apex and his wheel position shows much more steering input.
onboard from Max’s car. Initially, i was under the impression that Max pushed Lewis wide as well but onboard may have redeemed him for me
He never turned the wheel in a way to leave any room for another car. The intent was to push Hamilton (who had the racing line) off track.
At nearly 16 seconds (can't see the exact time stamp), Max reaches the largest steering angle through this turn. You can just see the inside curbing on the left. Note where the nose and wheels are pointing:
At this point he had already pushed Lewis off the racing line.
At 16 seconds, he's opened the wheel and the car is at the curbing. Look where his wheels are pointing.
He continues with that steering angle until the yellow Pirelli banner in the runoff area where he has a slight snap of oversteer (emphasis on slight, the car didn't appear to be sliding but there could have been wheelspin). At that time Lewis was behind and pushed way wide.
I want Max to win this year. I wasn't happy with the outcome of Silverstone, as I thought Lewis put his car where it shouldn't have been. I defended Max's move at Monza because - to my eye - Max had the racing line. But this one is hard for me to defend. Maybe it's because Masi and the stewards are wildly inconsistent.
11-12-2021, 06:22 PM
shortly after.
we've seen the iPhone /Foxconn leaks, should be used to it
