The "official" housing bubble thread
#521
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Graying boomers.
As boomers have aged and prospered, they have begun to buy vacation or second homes in increasing numbers. This trend will widen as they near retirement.
As boomers have aged and prospered, they have begun to buy vacation or second homes in increasing numbers. This trend will widen as they near retirement.
Saying that the longterm housing market is not in danger is a pretty safe bet
But there are going to be dips here and there along the way... Shortterm, some people are going to get screwed... most have gained some equity, but if they bought in the last year, and need to sell in the next couple of years, they better hope they are in the group w/ over 10% equity...
I'm waiting till the boomers start dieing off till I make my next houseing purchase... 2010-2013 or so
#522
i dont claim to be any kind of expert with this stuff, but i do think i'd find it entertaining to see the guys disagreeing with this study go head to head with the Harvard researchers.
now that would be entertaining.
now that would be entertaining.
#523
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They are massholes... who listen's to them ??
I'm agreeing with their longterm assessment, but they don't really go into the short term pit falls for the other 6% of the population (that have less than 10% equity)...
Havard basically implied that they are fucked, but the other 94% have enough equity to live thru the downturn...
My house was probably worth 320 last september... probably 300 now... soon to be 280 ... but since I've bought in 2001, not big deal for me... I've got over 50% equity... But the poor slob that just bought a comparable house for 300, and financed it with 2 mortgages (100% - 80/20) is gonna get porked if he sells in the next couple of years (as interest rates rise and the ecomony still in question)...
I'm agreeing with their longterm assessment, but they don't really go into the short term pit falls for the other 6% of the population (that have less than 10% equity)...
Havard basically implied that they are fucked, but the other 94% have enough equity to live thru the downturn...
My house was probably worth 320 last september... probably 300 now... soon to be 280 ... but since I've bought in 2001, not big deal for me... I've got over 50% equity... But the poor slob that just bought a comparable house for 300, and financed it with 2 mortgages (100% - 80/20) is gonna get porked if he sells in the next couple of years (as interest rates rise and the ecomony still in question)...
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Originally Posted by zeroday
i dont claim to be any kind of expert with this stuff, but i do think i'd find it entertaining to see the guys disagreeing with this study go head to head with the Harvard researchers.
now that would be entertaining.
now that would be entertaining.
Like Harvard has a monopoly on reading crystal balls
I agree with Greenie, over the long term, prudent home owners will make out just fine. But it's always dangerous to extrapolite recent past performance and say things are hunky dory and we'll make out like bandits forever. There is a real risk that many markets have overheated and many folks who are overleveraged will face some problems.
#525
Originally Posted by GreenMonster
They are massholes... who listen's to them ??
I'm agreeing with their longterm assessment, but they don't really go into the short term pit falls for the other 6% of the population (that have less than 10% equity)...
Havard basically implied that they are fucked, but the other 94% have enough equity to live thru the downturn...
My house was probably worth 320 last september... probably 300 now... soon to be 280 ... but since I've bought in 2001, not big deal for me... I've got over 50% equity... But the poor slob that just bought a comparable house for 300, and financed it with 2 mortgages (100% - 80/20) is gonna get porked if he sells in the next couple of years (as interest rates rise and the ecomony still in question)...
I'm agreeing with their longterm assessment, but they don't really go into the short term pit falls for the other 6% of the population (that have less than 10% equity)...
Havard basically implied that they are fucked, but the other 94% have enough equity to live thru the downturn...
My house was probably worth 320 last september... probably 300 now... soon to be 280 ... but since I've bought in 2001, not big deal for me... I've got over 50% equity... But the poor slob that just bought a comparable house for 300, and financed it with 2 mortgages (100% - 80/20) is gonna get porked if he sells in the next couple of years (as interest rates rise and the ecomony still in question)...
#526
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Like Harvard has a monopoly on reading crystal balls
as for your other comments i agree some people will have problems...but the bubble idea..i don't buy it. nothing catastrophic happening here.
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Originally Posted by zeroday
they aren't rolling dice like you guys are...they're RESEARCHERS
as for your other comments i agree some people will have problems...but the bubble idea..i don't buy it. nothing catastrophic happening here.
as for your other comments i agree some people will have problems...but the bubble idea..i don't buy it. nothing catastrophic happening here.
while it may not be a bubble burst for most, there certainly won't be a boom part deux.
#528
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
And when they retire (or die) ?? Boom... they'll glut the market with their 1st and 2nd (summer) homes... Demand might be up, but the supply will overwhelm the demand...
But then you will be ready for your second home somewhere warm.
The long-term projections are a steadily aging of our population, it's not like if baby boomers die off the country will start to get younger.
#529
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Originally Posted by CrockPot
a ~10% or higher drop in the next couple years (which has been forecasted) will be fairly catastrophic for those that have recently purchased a median priced house in the higher cost regions such as LA, NY, SF, etc. a 10% drop on a 600K house will be hard to swallow if you're pressed to sell the house.
Only if you bought in the last 9 months, because over the last year it has gone up about 12%.
And most people have owned their homes for more than a year.
Some people that bought at the peak might be screwed, but the vast majority will survive yet another housing downturn.
#530
Harvard is a joke in the real estate industry. Because of who they hire, and who funds their research. Honestly, your community college down the street does much better with real estate research. Even NAR has more credibility.
House prices declined in one out of five of 275 metros in the first quarter of 2006?
House prices declined in one out of five of 275 metros in the first quarter of 2006?
#531
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Assuming you are staying local, the price of housing only matters twice. When you buy your first house and when you sell your last one. Even if you buy a house that loses 20% of its value, the one you are buying next has also lost 20% of its value.
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Zeroday, THE SKY IS FALLING !!
I bubblicious.... but I'll agree that there probably isn't going to be a catastrophic countrywide bubble that's going to burst... but me and PistonFan are ready with cash when some people run into trouble
The toys are usually the first things to go... so if you start seeing a big selloff of boats, sportscars and motorcycles, you'll know trouble is coming...
I bubblicious.... but I'll agree that there probably isn't going to be a catastrophic countrywide bubble that's going to burst... but me and PistonFan are ready with cash when some people run into trouble
The toys are usually the first things to go... so if you start seeing a big selloff of boats, sportscars and motorcycles, you'll know trouble is coming...
#533
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Originally Posted by zeroday
they aren't rolling dice like you guys are...they're RESEARCHERS
What you call 'rolling the dice', I call market making. Market makers (more commonly known as traders), are the lubricant of Capitalism and the heart of what makes our grand system work.
Put it another way: If you were buying a home, would you rather have one option, or 1000 homes to pick from. If you are a seller, do you want one bidder or 1000 folks screaming to buy.
Just like the Fed Reserve doesn't directly control long term interest rates and Big Oil doesn't control the price of oil. Market makers do. Traders go long, when you are going short, and vice-versa. Traders add vital liquidity and are a misunderstood and underappreciated part of free markets.
As for research, a good trader can tell you a lot more about market direction than any elitist Ivy league researcher.
And as for that boom you keep calling for, let me know when you monetize your gain.
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7 houses in my develpment for sale. Other 20 from the next development for sale.
Those APRs are going up (ARM customers freaking out), and excess supply.... you guessed it, prices have gone down. At least 15% correction of the sale price.
Those APRs are going up (ARM customers freaking out), and excess supply.... you guessed it, prices have gone down. At least 15% correction of the sale price.
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Surviving a Real-Estate Slowdown
All the obvious we have discussed months ago
http://online.wsj.com/public/article....html?mod=mktw
A significant decline in prices is coming. A huge buildup of inventories is taking place, and then we're going to see a major [retrenchment] in hot markets in California, Arizona, Florida and up the East Coast. These markets could fall 50% from their peaks.
Mr. Heebner: I'm worried that more people will default on their mortgages. Risky mortgages such as interest-only and pay-option adjustable-rate mortgages require no principal amortization and in some cases payment of only a fraction of the interest due, have been widely used in the last two years. Some people got 100% financing for their homes. It made the tech bubble look like a picnic. When housing is going up rapidly and you can buy far more than your income can support, some people are eager to make big profits by extending themselves financially.
Mr. Heebner: I'm worried that more people will default on their mortgages. Risky mortgages such as interest-only and pay-option adjustable-rate mortgages require no principal amortization and in some cases payment of only a fraction of the interest due, have been widely used in the last two years. Some people got 100% financing for their homes. It made the tech bubble look like a picnic. When housing is going up rapidly and you can buy far more than your income can support, some people are eager to make big profits by extending themselves financially.
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U.S. Homebuilder Confidence Drops to 14-Year Low
By Courtney Schlisserman
July 18 (Bloomberg) -- Confidence among U.S. homebuilders
dropped this month to the lowest level in more than 14 years, a
private survey found, as sales fell and orders were canceled.
The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo index
of builder confidence declined to 39, the lowest since December
1991, from 42 in June, the Washington-based association said
today. It was the eighth decline in nine months for the measure.
Homebuilders including D.R Horton Inc. have lowered profit
forecasts for the year as demand dwindles and cancellations
mount. While the homebuilders' survey has painted a dimmer
outlook than other housing reports, home sales still are
expected to fall this year for the first time since 2000,
weighing on economic growth, economists said.
``The housing market's in trouble,'' said Joseph Lavorgna,
chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank AG in New York. ``We have
become decidedly more cautious on the outlook since the index
has started falling.''
The survey asks builders to characterize current sales as
``good,'' ``fair'' or ``poor'' and also asks them to gauge
prospective buyers' traffic. Readings below 50 mean more
builders view sales conditions as poor than as good. Builders
are also asked to gauge prospective buyer traffic and
expectations for the next six months.
Economists polled by Bloomberg News forecast a reading of
41 this month, according to the median of 23 projections. The
index averaged 67 last year and has dropped 31 points in 12
months.
Expectations, Traffic
A measure of sales expectations for the next six months
fell to 46 from a revised 51 in June. The index of buyer traffic
fell to 27 from 29.
Expectations were the lowest since February 1995 and the
traffic measure was the lowest since January 1995. The builders
group's index of current sales fell to 43 this month, the lowest
since March 1995, from 47.
Confidence fell in three of four regions this month, with
the biggest decrease occurring in the West, which fell to 51
from 60. Measures declined in the Northeast, to 36 from 41, and
in the Midwest, to 21 from 25. Confidence rose 2 points in the
South, to 50.
The drop in overall confidence ``reflects growing builder
uncertainty on the heels of reduced sales and increased
cancellations related to eroding affordability as well as an
ongoing withdrawal of investors/speculators from the
marketplace,'' David Seiders, chief economist at the National
Association of Home Builders, said in a statement.
Fed Tightening
``Just as concerning to many builders is the potential for
more monetary tightening by the Federal Reserve that could drive
interest rates, and thereby homeownership costs, even higher,''
Seiders said in the statement.
The Fed raised its benchmark overnight lending rate between
banks by a quarter point for a 17th straight time in June, to
5.25 percent, and said further increases depend on future
information about the prospects for growth and inflation.
Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News expect the central bank to
raise rates another quarter point at the Federal Open Market
Committee's next meeting on Aug. 8.
The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage was 6.68
percent in June and reached a four-year high of 6.79 percent the
first week of this month, according to Freddie Mac, the No. 2
purchaser of home loans.
Horton Hurting
D.R. Horton said on July 13 that earnings for the year
would be $3.65 a share or more, down from its previous forecast
of $5.25 to $5.35 a share and from $4.62 in 2005. Earnings fell
to about 93 cents in the quarter ended June 30, the No. 2 U.S.
homebuilder said in a preliminary earnings release.
The housing market is being hurt by ``an increase in both
existing and new homes available for sale, higher than normal
cancellation rates and an increase in the use of sales
incentives,'' Chairman Donald R. Horton said in a statement. The
company plans to report full third-quarter results on July 20.
The number of unsold new homes equaled a 5.5-month supply
in May, the Commerce Department said on June 26. While that was
down from April's 5.8 months, it was up from a year earlier. The
supply of previously-owned homes for sale rose to 6.5 months in
May, the highest level in nine years, the National Association
of Realtors said on June 27.
The Realtors group forecast on July 11 that sales of new
homes would fall to 13 percent to 1.12 million this year.
--With reporting from Kathleen Howley in Boston. Editor: Rohner
Story illustration: To chart the NAHB's index, type
{USHBMIDX <Index> GP <GO>}
To see more NAHB report data: {ALLX USHB <GO>}
For today's business and financial stories: {TOP <GO>}
For today's top economy stories: {TOP ECO <GO>}
For stories about Federal Reserve actions: {FEDU <GO>}
July 18 (Bloomberg) -- Confidence among U.S. homebuilders
dropped this month to the lowest level in more than 14 years, a
private survey found, as sales fell and orders were canceled.
The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo index
of builder confidence declined to 39, the lowest since December
1991, from 42 in June, the Washington-based association said
today. It was the eighth decline in nine months for the measure.
Homebuilders including D.R Horton Inc. have lowered profit
forecasts for the year as demand dwindles and cancellations
mount. While the homebuilders' survey has painted a dimmer
outlook than other housing reports, home sales still are
expected to fall this year for the first time since 2000,
weighing on economic growth, economists said.
``The housing market's in trouble,'' said Joseph Lavorgna,
chief U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank AG in New York. ``We have
become decidedly more cautious on the outlook since the index
has started falling.''
The survey asks builders to characterize current sales as
``good,'' ``fair'' or ``poor'' and also asks them to gauge
prospective buyers' traffic. Readings below 50 mean more
builders view sales conditions as poor than as good. Builders
are also asked to gauge prospective buyer traffic and
expectations for the next six months.
Economists polled by Bloomberg News forecast a reading of
41 this month, according to the median of 23 projections. The
index averaged 67 last year and has dropped 31 points in 12
months.
Expectations, Traffic
A measure of sales expectations for the next six months
fell to 46 from a revised 51 in June. The index of buyer traffic
fell to 27 from 29.
Expectations were the lowest since February 1995 and the
traffic measure was the lowest since January 1995. The builders
group's index of current sales fell to 43 this month, the lowest
since March 1995, from 47.
Confidence fell in three of four regions this month, with
the biggest decrease occurring in the West, which fell to 51
from 60. Measures declined in the Northeast, to 36 from 41, and
in the Midwest, to 21 from 25. Confidence rose 2 points in the
South, to 50.
The drop in overall confidence ``reflects growing builder
uncertainty on the heels of reduced sales and increased
cancellations related to eroding affordability as well as an
ongoing withdrawal of investors/speculators from the
marketplace,'' David Seiders, chief economist at the National
Association of Home Builders, said in a statement.
Fed Tightening
``Just as concerning to many builders is the potential for
more monetary tightening by the Federal Reserve that could drive
interest rates, and thereby homeownership costs, even higher,''
Seiders said in the statement.
The Fed raised its benchmark overnight lending rate between
banks by a quarter point for a 17th straight time in June, to
5.25 percent, and said further increases depend on future
information about the prospects for growth and inflation.
Economists surveyed by Bloomberg News expect the central bank to
raise rates another quarter point at the Federal Open Market
Committee's next meeting on Aug. 8.
The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage was 6.68
percent in June and reached a four-year high of 6.79 percent the
first week of this month, according to Freddie Mac, the No. 2
purchaser of home loans.
Horton Hurting
D.R. Horton said on July 13 that earnings for the year
would be $3.65 a share or more, down from its previous forecast
of $5.25 to $5.35 a share and from $4.62 in 2005. Earnings fell
to about 93 cents in the quarter ended June 30, the No. 2 U.S.
homebuilder said in a preliminary earnings release.
The housing market is being hurt by ``an increase in both
existing and new homes available for sale, higher than normal
cancellation rates and an increase in the use of sales
incentives,'' Chairman Donald R. Horton said in a statement. The
company plans to report full third-quarter results on July 20.
The number of unsold new homes equaled a 5.5-month supply
in May, the Commerce Department said on June 26. While that was
down from April's 5.8 months, it was up from a year earlier. The
supply of previously-owned homes for sale rose to 6.5 months in
May, the highest level in nine years, the National Association
of Realtors said on June 27.
The Realtors group forecast on July 11 that sales of new
homes would fall to 13 percent to 1.12 million this year.
--With reporting from Kathleen Howley in Boston. Editor: Rohner
Story illustration: To chart the NAHB's index, type
{USHBMIDX <Index> GP <GO>}
To see more NAHB report data: {ALLX USHB <GO>}
For today's business and financial stories: {TOP <GO>}
For today's top economy stories: {TOP ECO <GO>}
For stories about Federal Reserve actions: {FEDU <GO>}
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The supply of previously-owned homes for sale rose to 6.5 months in May, the highest level in nine years, the National Association of Realtors said on June 27.
I have a feeling that we're going to see a few more instances of this:
https://acurazine.com/forums/money-investing-17/foreclosure-questions-344260/
House down the road from me sold for $300K, and it looks like the new owners (speculators??) are putting some money into it... There's always a different contractor truck/van in the driveway when I drive buy... Might just be another case of throwing money at a $300K home only to find out later that it's worth $280
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Realtors: Home sales now a 'buyer's market'
Sales fell for third straight month in June; nearly flat prices make double-digit gains seem like a distant memory.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news...cnn_topstories
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news...cnn_topstories
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Sales fell for third straight month in June; nearly flat prices make double-digit gains seem like a distant memory.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news...cnn_topstories
http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/25/news...cnn_topstories
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When my house was built in 1992 - it initally sold for 92k. I bought it in 1998 for 95.5k - that's a gain of less than $1k per year. The house next door to mine sold in June for 276k. It's about the same size as mine.
This housing bubble was absolutely assinine. Have fun paying STUPIDLY HIGH fees for property tax everyone!
This housing bubble was absolutely assinine. Have fun paying STUPIDLY HIGH fees for property tax everyone!
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The Coming Housing Crash
Originally Posted by fla-tls
When my house was built in 1992 - it initally sold for 92k. I bought it in 1998 for 95.5k - that's a gain of less than $1k per year. The house next door to mine sold in June for 276k. It's about the same size as mine.
This housing bubble was absolutely assinine. Have fun paying STUPIDLY HIGH fees for property tax everyone!
This housing bubble was absolutely assinine. Have fun paying STUPIDLY HIGH fees for property tax everyone!
This bubble sustained the economy through the 2001 recession and provided the basis for the recovery. The housing sector directly employs more than 6 million people in construction, mortgage issuance and real estate. The indirect effect of the bubble was even larger, as people took advantage of the rapidly growing value of their homes to borrow huge amounts of money. This borrowing binge supported rapid consumption growth in a period of weak wage and job growth. It also pushed the U.S. savings rate into negative territory for the first time since the beginning of the great depression.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Doesn't suprise me... I've seen my market's bubble slowly burst since it hit a height back in Aug/Sep 05... Lots of house around my area have been for sale for 6 months...
Houses are staying on the market longer and prices have leveled off around here, but there's been no sharp drop in selling prices. There was a point when people were listing their homes 20-30k above what the last house sold for - that has definitely stopped - now people are all pricing relatively close to each other.
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Originally Posted by moeronn
that sounds like an oxymoeronn
Houses are staying on the market longer and prices have leveled off around here, but there's been no sharp drop in selling prices. There was a point when people were listing their homes 20-30k above what the last house sold for - that has definitely stopped - now people are all pricing relatively close to each other.
Houses are staying on the market longer and prices have leveled off around here, but there's been no sharp drop in selling prices. There was a point when people were listing their homes 20-30k above what the last house sold for - that has definitely stopped - now people are all pricing relatively close to each other.
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Originally Posted by zamo
The reason why many wont lower their prices is because they have invested money into it, and they are still believing they should get a return on that investment. For the regular joe who thought that buying a house at 300k 2 months ago for then selling at 400k, that aint happening any more. He would probably sell at the same price thus loosing on closing costs, realtor fees, etc. That investor wont lower its price, but he wont sell.
There are plenty of homes that have lowered their asking price, but they aren't far off from what similar homes have recently sold for.
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People around my neighborhood still don't seem to get it. Similar sized houses to mine are still priced 30-40k higher than what I paid last year. Those houses are just sitting on the market.
Ones that are priced at around what I paid for last year are still selling rather quickly.
Ones that are priced at around what I paid for last year are still selling rather quickly.
#548
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Originally Posted by doopstr
People around my neighborhood still don't seem to get it. Similar sized houses to mine are still priced 30-40k higher than what I paid last year. Those houses are just sitting on the market.
Ones that are priced at around what I paid for last year are still selling rather quickly.
Ones that are priced at around what I paid for last year are still selling rather quickly.
If you are in no hurry to move, it doesn't hurt to ask for more
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Originally Posted by Silver™
If you are in no hurry to move, it doesn't hurt to ask for more
#550
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Hard Landing vs. Soft Landing
From today's Wall Street Journal section C1, front page...
Cliff's Notes: Hard landing looking more probable...
http://www.contraryinvestor.com/moprinter.htm
Angelo R. Mozilo, CEO of Countrywide Financial Corp., the US's biggest home-mortgage lender, rarely misses a chance to remind people that he has been in the business for more than 50 years. Now he has a sobering message for investors about the near-term outlook for housing and mortgages: Buckle your seat belts. "I've never seen a soft landing in 53 years."
http://www.contraryinvestor.com/moprinter.htm
#551
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Originally Posted by PistonFan
From today's Wall Street Journal section C1, front page...
Cliff's Notes: Hard landing looking more probable...
http://www.contraryinvestor.com/moprinter.htm
Cliff's Notes: Hard landing looking more probable...
http://www.contraryinvestor.com/moprinter.htm
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Getting real about the real estate bubble
Originally Posted by Silver™
Yes, but this is not the equivalent of the dot-com bubble that so many want to make it out to be.
Fortune's Shawn Tully dispels four myths about the future of home prices.
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/24/real...ex.htm?cnn=yes
http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/24/real...ex.htm?cnn=yes
#553
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
No, it just may be worse since more people own homes than internet stocks. And investors weren't purchasing internet stocks on 100% margin.
And many people own homes in markets that have seen more moderate gains. And I don't think anyone's $630K house will be worth $28K next year as the dot-com stocks were like.
And I still feel that the housing market will not be like the dot-com stock market. There will be declines, but not a crash like what occured with the dot-com bubble
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Originally Posted by Silver™
And many people own homes in markets that have seen more moderate gains. And I don't think anyone's $630K house will be worth $28K next year as the dot-com stocks were like.
And I still feel that the housing market will not be like the dot-com stock market. There will be declines, but not a crash like what occured with the dot-com bubble
And I still feel that the housing market will not be like the dot-com stock market. There will be declines, but not a crash like what occured with the dot-com bubble
I'm not inferring that the actual percentage decline will be the equivalent of the Nasdaq bear market. BUT, I am saying the effect on the consumer psyche could be worse, since more people own homes, more people got caught up in the frenzy, more people leveraged themselves with boatloads of debt at variable rates NOT fixed, more people view Real Estate as a 'can't lose' asset class.
You know the budget shennanigans our Gov't is playing with the books. Long term bond yields are bound to reflect the deteriorarating fiscal picture of the US sooner or later. When it happens, it ain't gonna be pretty.
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Rising payments on adjustable-rate mortgages contribute to 53% jump in foreclosures.
It all makes sense.
September 13 2006: 11:52 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With real estate markets slowing and mortgage rates well above levels of recent years, times are getting tougher for homeowners - the number of homes entering into some stage of foreclosure is surging, according to a survey released Wednesday.
In August, 115,292 properties entered into foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac, an online marketplace for foreclosure sales. That was 24 percent above the level in July and 53 percent higher than a year earlier.
Where foreclosures are jumping
* Nevada: Up 255%
* California: Up 160%
* Florida: Up 62%
It was the second highest monthly foreclosure total of the year; in February, 117,151 properties entered foreclosure.
Some of the bellwether real estate market states are among the leading foreclosure markets. Florida, had more than 16,533 properties in foreclosure in August. That led all states and was 50 percent higher than in July and 62 percent higher than in August 2005.
California foreclosures are increasing at an even faster annual rate, up 160 percent since last year to 12,506. And the formerly red-hot Nevada market recorded a spike of 24 percent compared with July and a whopping 255 percent increase from August 2005.
Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac's vice president of marketing, says the rising foreclosure numbers are in part the result of rising monthly payments on adjustable-rate mortgages, which have a low introductory interest rate that heads higher after an initial period.
"Usually, foreclosures are a lagging [market] indicator," he says. "But we've never had a situation like this with adjustable-rate mortgages amounting to $400 billion to $500 billion coming up for adjustment over the rest of the year."
For a homeowner with a 5/1 ARM (an adjustable rate loan with an initial fixed rate for five years that then adjusts annually) that's now resetting, the adjustment could add at least two percentage points to the interest rate. That could send the payment on a $200,000 loan up from about $950 a month closer to $1,200.
These exotic mortgages, which have been issued by lenders at much higher numbers the past few years, default at a higher rate than do fixed-rate mortgages. And sub-prime loans, which are much more common than in the past, have a higher default rate as well.
But, Sharga says, "The real wild card is the nature of the loans themselves. Historically, ARMs were underwritten pretty conservatively. There has been a loosening of standards with lower credit worthiness and smaller down payments."
Underlying causes
Homeowners are also in Dutch because of underlying economic conditions. Many of the worst hit markets, such as in the Midwest, are in areas hard hit by layoffs or other economic ills.
When housing markets were hot, homeowners could often avoid default through two ready made options, according to Sharga: They could sell to a ready market or they could use the increase through appreciation in their equity to refinance their homes. Increasingly, both those options are evaporating.
Contrary to what many consumers may believe, lenders are not anxious to foreclose on homes and put families out on the streets. Foreclosures tend to be money losers for lenders and are done mostly as a last resort.
Sharga says lenders are beginning to recognize that a problem is brewing and are taking steps to address it. They are much more amenable to a short sale, for example, in which they accept a low-ball, cash bid early in the default process that may not even cover their mortgage, in order to avoid a larger loss later. That can help homeowners by preserving their credit scores and easing their transitions into the rental market.
"Lenders say they're looking for ways to work with homeowners in trouble," reports Sharga. "So for homeowners looking at a default situation, the sooner they talk to their lender - and see what options are available - the better."
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- With real estate markets slowing and mortgage rates well above levels of recent years, times are getting tougher for homeowners - the number of homes entering into some stage of foreclosure is surging, according to a survey released Wednesday.
In August, 115,292 properties entered into foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac, an online marketplace for foreclosure sales. That was 24 percent above the level in July and 53 percent higher than a year earlier.
Where foreclosures are jumping
* Nevada: Up 255%
* California: Up 160%
* Florida: Up 62%
It was the second highest monthly foreclosure total of the year; in February, 117,151 properties entered foreclosure.
Some of the bellwether real estate market states are among the leading foreclosure markets. Florida, had more than 16,533 properties in foreclosure in August. That led all states and was 50 percent higher than in July and 62 percent higher than in August 2005.
California foreclosures are increasing at an even faster annual rate, up 160 percent since last year to 12,506. And the formerly red-hot Nevada market recorded a spike of 24 percent compared with July and a whopping 255 percent increase from August 2005.
Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac's vice president of marketing, says the rising foreclosure numbers are in part the result of rising monthly payments on adjustable-rate mortgages, which have a low introductory interest rate that heads higher after an initial period.
"Usually, foreclosures are a lagging [market] indicator," he says. "But we've never had a situation like this with adjustable-rate mortgages amounting to $400 billion to $500 billion coming up for adjustment over the rest of the year."
For a homeowner with a 5/1 ARM (an adjustable rate loan with an initial fixed rate for five years that then adjusts annually) that's now resetting, the adjustment could add at least two percentage points to the interest rate. That could send the payment on a $200,000 loan up from about $950 a month closer to $1,200.
These exotic mortgages, which have been issued by lenders at much higher numbers the past few years, default at a higher rate than do fixed-rate mortgages. And sub-prime loans, which are much more common than in the past, have a higher default rate as well.
But, Sharga says, "The real wild card is the nature of the loans themselves. Historically, ARMs were underwritten pretty conservatively. There has been a loosening of standards with lower credit worthiness and smaller down payments."
Underlying causes
Homeowners are also in Dutch because of underlying economic conditions. Many of the worst hit markets, such as in the Midwest, are in areas hard hit by layoffs or other economic ills.
When housing markets were hot, homeowners could often avoid default through two ready made options, according to Sharga: They could sell to a ready market or they could use the increase through appreciation in their equity to refinance their homes. Increasingly, both those options are evaporating.
Contrary to what many consumers may believe, lenders are not anxious to foreclose on homes and put families out on the streets. Foreclosures tend to be money losers for lenders and are done mostly as a last resort.
Sharga says lenders are beginning to recognize that a problem is brewing and are taking steps to address it. They are much more amenable to a short sale, for example, in which they accept a low-ball, cash bid early in the default process that may not even cover their mortgage, in order to avoid a larger loss later. That can help homeowners by preserving their credit scores and easing their transitions into the rental market.
"Lenders say they're looking for ways to work with homeowners in trouble," reports Sharga. "So for homeowners looking at a default situation, the sooner they talk to their lender - and see what options are available - the better."
#556
Senior Moderator
Luckily we have seen no declines in Canada. In most areas we've stabalized and have moderate price growth. This is due to regulations and laws put in place to limit speculative investment, as well as limiting all these crazy mortgage options.
Calgary and Vancouver are still a bit frothy though.
#557
Moderator Alumnus
Originally Posted by fdl
Luckily we have seen no declines in Canada. In most areas we've stabalized and have moderate price growth. This is due to regulations and laws put in place to limit speculative investment, as well as limiting all these crazy mortgage options.
Calgary and Vancouver are still a bit frothy though.
Home sales in the Toronto, Canada, market dropped for the third straight month in August, as prices dipped from July, the Toronto Real Estate Board reported.
The 6,976 sales recorded through the TorontoMLS system last month were 7 percent below the 7,498 sales in August 2005, according to TREB, and were down 1.5 percent from July 2006.
http://www.inman.com/InmanINF/mris/story.aspx?ID=56491
#558
Senior Moderator
Originally Posted by Silver™
Home sales in the Toronto, Canada, market dropped for the third straight month in August, as prices dipped from July, the Toronto Real Estate Board reported.
The 6,976 sales recorded through the TorontoMLS system last month were 7 percent below the 7,498 sales in August 2005, according to TREB, and were down 1.5 percent from July 2006.
http://www.inman.com/InmanINF/mris/story.aspx?ID=56491
The 6,976 sales recorded through the TorontoMLS system last month were 7 percent below the 7,498 sales in August 2005, according to TREB, and were down 1.5 percent from July 2006.
http://www.inman.com/InmanINF/mris/story.aspx?ID=56491
Yes, the number of transactions has cooled but prices are still rising at about 5% year over year. We are trending towards a more normal market, which is a good sign.
Out side of Toronto though, Vancouver and Calgary (especially) are rising at unhealthy paces.
#560
Moderator Alumnus
The Mortgage Bankers Association, in its quarterly mortgage survey released Wednesday, reported that the percentage of mortgages that started the foreclosure process in the April-to-June quarter rose to 0.43 percent. That was up from 0.41 percent in the first quarter and was the highest in just over a year. The association’s survey covers 42.5 million loans.
Even with the increase, the new foreclosure figure is still low by historical standards and thus not overly worrisome to lenders.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14817866/