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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 02:40 AM
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The dollar value is going down, investing in commodities!??

the dollar is going down in serious value vs currencies like yen and euro. i can just see my money slowly shrinking.


lately ive been interested in putting my money into things like gold, platinum, etc. i am such an idiot i wish i put my cash into these metals back in 2003 i would have a nice fat bank account right now.

im putting a small amount of my cash into guns too, they hold their value very well.


any advice or ideas?

when you buy gold, do you hold it in a security deposit box? im thinking about going to alaska, where you can buy gold and platinum with no sales tax. a buddy went and bought a few ounces of platinum, in the past few months the price went up so high that his trip and weekend hotel stay have already been payed off. he bought at 1100 an ounce, the value is now 1500.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 02:42 AM
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look at that rise!! do you guys think it will bubble soon and fall? or will gold continue to soar in value?

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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Trojanman750
look at that rise!! do you guys think it will bubble soon and fall? or will housing continue to soar in value?
fixed! :gheylaugh:



In all seriousness, commodities of all kinds have enjoyed huge runs and currently there is a ton of hot money chasing both relative and absolute returns. A big reason for recent commodity gains is because of the dollar getting crushed. Who knows exactly where the bottom is, but I think most of the easy money has been made.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 09:08 AM
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well Goldman is predicting oil to go to $200/bbl

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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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you don't need to go out and physically buy the metals... you can do it online with your stock brokerage.

easy money for the near term has already been made. gold takes the escalator up and the elevator straight down. you might be able to extract a little bit of gains from now til july but you're already pushing it

i've been in POT (fertilizer), MOS (fertilizer & feed), DBA (wheat, soybeans, corn), GLD (gold), and UDN (dollar bearish) since october and am up pretty big. been taking profits in all of them though each month if that helps you in your decision. committing new capital here is a risky game

quants are now all over DBA and wheat contracts so that whole ag complex is ridiculously volatile right now. i'd get into fertilizer if i were you as that is not necessarily a soft commodity itself but tied to the soft commodity industry... not to mention besides the robust demand they have pricing power. POT and MOS on major pullbacks to around 135 and 90 respectively is the ideal entry. this is a longer term secular growth story that has been building and i'd much rather be in there than in gold imo

nat gas has also been rocking too, see UNG and CHK
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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No doubt commodities have been on a crazy rise, but to jump in the game now has alot more risk. You should have been in the commodities game 2-3 years ago.

I think they will go higher....but we will not see gains like we have seen for the past few years.
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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seriously. my plan to retire back to india is going down the drain. the dollar is only worth 80% of what it was 4 years ago lol
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Old Mar 13, 2008 | 11:06 PM
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arrghhh i wish i had money a few years ago to look into things like this.

im not really looking to make huge profits here. i just have some money lying around that i wouldnt mind puttin into some thing that will be secure and gain some decent interest.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Trojanman750
arrghhh i wish i had money a few years ago to look into things like this.

im not really looking to make huge profits here. i just have some money lying around that i wouldnt mind puttin into some thing that will be secure and gain some decent interest.
imo, the markets are a lil too volatile to play around...i'd like to see things settle down in the next 6 months or so before considering investing...cash is king at this point
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by moonraker
i've been in POT (fertilizer), MOS (fertilizer & feed), DBA (wheat, soybeans, corn), GLD (gold), and UDN (dollar bearish) since october and am up pretty big. been taking profits in all of them though each month if that helps you in your decision. committing new capital here is a risky game

nat gas has also been rocking too, see UNG and CHK
Are there any of these types of indexes that track the price of crude oil?
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 03:02 PM
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seriously. my plan to retire back to india is going down the drain. the dollar is only worth 80% of what it was 4 years ago lol
With respect to the current Fed policy, India may be exporting jobs to the US soon.
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Are there any of these types of indexes that track the price of crude oil?
ya there's tons of etf's that track long oil, short oil, ultrashort oil etc.

the one that gets you long oil is USO
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Old Mar 14, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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I've shifted my 401K and Roth IRA to have more foreign funds... They've done well in the past, so I've bumped up the percent of my foreign investments. Haven't really looked into commodities...

Originally Posted by Scooter
imo, the markets are a lil too volatile to play around...i'd like to see things settle down in the next 6 months or so before considering investing...cash is king at this point
But some of us have been waiting for awhile to jump back in... Every time I think we've hit bottom (like in Jan 08), the bottom drops out again

But I've got my eyes on a couple right now...

Pistonfan was right about holding off on Ford... It's back to where I wanted to buy it 2 years ago
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Pistonfan was right about holding off on Ford... It's back to where I wanted to buy it 2 years ago
Like says, even a broken clock is right twice a day! :wink:
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:02 PM
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China's hunger for natural resources has set off a global commodity boom. Developed countries worry about being left high and dry, but the biggest effects will be felt in China itself, says Edward McBride

.....he worst fallout from China's quest for natural resources will be seen not in the countries they come from, nor in the countries that are competing for supplies, but in China itself. Over the past few years the volume of raw materials it consumes per unit of output has risen sharply. In particular, China has gone from miser to glutton in its use of energy, and is now struggling to diet. That has involved bigger imports of oil, gas and coal, and so more foreign entanglements. But it has also led to the rapid depletion of resources that China cannot import, such as clean air and water.

China is building a huge stock of grimy heavy industry, just as its coastal provinces are getting rich enough to care about the consequences. Protests about environmental issues are on the increase. There is not enough water in the Yellow River basin, which covers a huge swathe of northern China, to supply both farmers and factories. Acid rain from coal-fired power plants is reducing agricultural yields, raising the spectre of increased rural unrest. As it is, the authorities are struggling to ensure that the air will be fit for athletes to breathe at the Olympics in Beijing this summer. All the while, the number of noxious steel mills, cement kilns and power plants relentlessly increases. Global warming, which is fed by their fumes, will make all these problems even worse.

Environmental concerns are unlikely to bring down the Communist regime, or even to stir as much resentment as the arbitrary confiscation of land currently does among China's poorest. But those concerns are certainly prompting the government to reflect on what sort of economic path it wants to pursue. So far, its efforts to temper economic growth, encourage energy efficiency and wean the country off heavy industry have had little effect. But continued failure would eventually make China a less prosperous and more unstable place.
http://www.economist.com/specialrepo...ry_id=10795714
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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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so we should invest in china??

i was thinking abuot buying some stocks in India or Middle eastern hotels. i read in Time the hotel business is predicted to increase alot this year and make like 24 million more in profits. you can buy stocks for like 6 bucks a share too.

any ideas??
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 08:55 AM
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Call me an old-timer if you will, but I remember when a dollar was worth a dollar.

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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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so we should invest in china??

i was thinking abuot buying some stocks in India or Middle eastern hotels. i read in Time the hotel business is predicted to increase alot this year and make like 24 million more in profits. you can buy stocks for like 6 bucks a share too.

any ideas??
symbols of these stocks please
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Old Apr 1, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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most trade in shanghai, so unless you have an e-trade account that lets you trade in international markets you'll have trouble accessing the majority of them

off the top of my head i know HMIN trades on the nasdaq. chinese hotel chain. i wanna say maverick capital has a decent investment in them too, and lee ainslie is a smart guy so i'd start by researching that one
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