HD-DVD is out already!, Blu- Ray goes on sale next week!
05-09-2006, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
As far as storage space and cost for the studios....it's a no brainer. The cost of investing in storage for VOD versus the cost of producing DVD's & deliverying DVD's is an excellent investment....and a cost savings one at that.
05-10-2006, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Sorry man, but you must not have purchased enterprise level storage anytime recently. You're not talking chump change like PC hard drives. Add the cost of of the increased bandwidth necessary between your VOD "storage centers" and you're talking about a hell of a lot of money.
05-11-2006, 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Moog-Type-S
Mpeg4 will be the way to go. DirecTV is already there...saves bandwith (but with a price). VOD is the future....and much closer than you think.
As far as storage space and cost for the studios....it's a no brainer. The cost of investing in storage for VOD versus the cost of producing DVD's & deliverying DVD's is an excellent investment....and a cost savings one at that.
btw DirecTV is HEAVILY invested in VOD for the future
They are having problems with their DVR's caching and tuner issues now, but ...soon to be resolved.
As far as media always being around....sure. As far as physical media that one goes to the store to purchase...that is dying and dead.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be the last hurrah.
As far as storage space and cost for the studios....it's a no brainer. The cost of investing in storage for VOD versus the cost of producing DVD's & deliverying DVD's is an excellent investment....and a cost savings one at that.
btw DirecTV is HEAVILY invested in VOD for the future
They are having problems with their DVR's caching and tuner issues now, but ...soon to be resolved.As far as media always being around....sure. As far as physical media that one goes to the store to purchase...that is dying and dead.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be the last hurrah.
Physical media isn't going anywhere man.
DirecTV is pretty far from having a *true* VOD system... even with the launch of the new birds and spot beaming system... Cable has had this for years now... people still buy DVD(s). Why? Because people want to own the movies... And setting up your own VOD system at your house is just stupid if you don't own the physical media. What happens when you lose a few hard drives and all of your video data goes? Happens all the time on RAID systems, just need to get a freaky power supply that nukes a bunch of drives at once. And wheres your backup? are you going to re-download all of the movies you had stored? ...
I mean I must have 400+ DVD(s)... I know Shawn S has 1400+...
Put down the pipe for awhile man... I've worked in these industries for quite a few years. Your augmented reality isn't going to happen anytime soon.
PS. They are using the H.264 codec, MPEG-4 has been dead for awhile (years). And DirecTV is barely there, they still have to finish launching. Not to mention hardly any customers are using the new birds or the H.264 encoded video yet.
05-11-2006, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Sorry man, but you must not have purchased enterprise level storage anytime recently. You're not talking chump change like PC hard drives. Add the cost of of the increased bandwidth necessary between your VOD "storage centers" and you're talking about a hell of a lot of money.
Exactly and upkeep, not to mention there would need to be multiple systems. Not just one large VOD system that feeds TW, Comcast, DirecTV... the cost would be insane. Not to mention the time to load all of the movies...
I don't know why he's stuck on the VOD stuff, it's been out for over ten years already in a lot of markets. Hasn't changed anything... besides those who are too lazy to go to BlockBuster or the local rental store. I almost always go the rental store anyway because the video quality is better fromn the DVD. No VOD system I know of supports anamorphic 480p yet, excluding the HD on-demand channels.
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Porn once again paves the way.
Porn Movie Sites May Open Web to DVD Downloads
Adult movie producers Vivid Entertainment today (Monday) launched a website that allows users to purchase and download pornographic movies online and burn them directly to DVD to watch on their TV sets or personal computers. They'll contain the same "extras" found in the usual DVD packages. Several analysts are suggesting that the service may represent another instance of the porn industry taking the lead in delivering entertainment to the home, as it did with the VCR. In a statement, Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of Vivid, said that for a payment of about $20, users can go to the All Adult Channel's website, click on "Download" and burn the disk automatically. Hirsch maintained that the technology used by the site contains effective copy-protection software and predicted that it will one day "be commonplace."
Adult movie producers Vivid Entertainment today (Monday) launched a website that allows users to purchase and download pornographic movies online and burn them directly to DVD to watch on their TV sets or personal computers. They'll contain the same "extras" found in the usual DVD packages. Several analysts are suggesting that the service may represent another instance of the porn industry taking the lead in delivering entertainment to the home, as it did with the VCR. In a statement, Steven Hirsch, co-chairman of Vivid, said that for a payment of about $20, users can go to the All Adult Channel's website, click on "Download" and burn the disk automatically. Hirsch maintained that the technology used by the site contains effective copy-protection software and predicted that it will one day "be commonplace."
05-23-2006, 02:24 PM
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cliff notes?
i bought the sony sxrd 60" tv this past week and don't have a progressive scan dvd player at home YET.
So should I buy the toshiba hd-dvd player? or will one of those dvd players with hdmi that upconvert the signal be fine?
i bought the sony sxrd 60" tv this past week and don't have a progressive scan dvd player at home YET.
So should I buy the toshiba hd-dvd player? or will one of those dvd players with hdmi that upconvert the signal be fine?
05-23-2006, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jmathew34
will one of those dvd players with hdmi that upconvert the signal be fine?
stay safe for now.
05-31-2006, 04:02 PM
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In related news......
Disney to sell films on Internet-based movie site
Updated Wed. May. 31 2006 9:28 AM ET
Associated Press
Getting closer and closer to on demand vid....
Updated Wed. May. 31 2006 9:28 AM ET
Associated Press
LOS ANGELES -- Disney films such as "Glory Road" and the animated "Chicken Little" will soon be available to own via computer download from the Internet-based movie site CinemaNow, but the movies can't be played on a standalone DVD player.
The companies were expected to announce Wednesday that CinemaNow will sell the films for $19.95 and in June will allow consumers to transfer films to a portable device running Microsoft Corp.'s Windows Media software.
In a deal similar to others announced in April, The Walt Disney Co. will sell its films online the same day they become available on DVD, thus closing the gap between DVD sales and video-on-demand by several months. The deal includes new releases plus some library titles.
Consumers will be able to watch their films on up to three devices and will be able to make a backup DVD copy that will only play on a computer.
CinemaNow will offer the option of transferring the film to a portable device later in June.
Major Hollywood studios have not yet allowed films to be burned onto a DVD that can be played on a standard DVD player, although adult entertainment company Vivid Entertainment has started doing just that through CinemaNow.
In April, Warner Bros., Universal Pictures, Sony Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox and MGM began selling some first-run and older titles on Movielink, a PC-only download service jointly owned by five Hollywood studios.
Those films are priced between $20 and $30.
Sony and Lionsgate have also begun selling some films on CinemaNow, which is partly owned by Microsoft, Lionsgate, Cisco Systems Inc. and Blockbuster Inc. Lionsgate is owned by Lionsgate Entertainment Corp.
CinemaNow said it is negotiating with other studios to offer films on the site. Announcements of similar deals could come as early as this week.
Portability is a key factor for studios such as Disney, whose films are watched as often by children riding in cars as college students on their computers. Disney's deal with CinemaNow is it's first foray into the download-to-own market, although it rents its films online.
Portability also makes it easier to transfer a movie from a computer in a den or bedroom to a large TV screen in the living room, where most people prefer to watch films.
Movielink does not yet offer transfer of films to portable devices, although the company said it hopes to have that feature within a year.
The companies were expected to announce Wednesday that CinemaNow will sell the films for $19.95 and in June will allow consumers to transfer films to a portable device running Microsoft Corp.'s Windows Media software.
In a deal similar to others announced in April, The Walt Disney Co. will sell its films online the same day they become available on DVD, thus closing the gap between DVD sales and video-on-demand by several months. The deal includes new releases plus some library titles.
Consumers will be able to watch their films on up to three devices and will be able to make a backup DVD copy that will only play on a computer.
CinemaNow will offer the option of transferring the film to a portable device later in June.
Major Hollywood studios have not yet allowed films to be burned onto a DVD that can be played on a standard DVD player, although adult entertainment company Vivid Entertainment has started doing just that through CinemaNow.
In April, Warner Bros., Universal Pictures, Sony Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Twentieth Century Fox and MGM began selling some first-run and older titles on Movielink, a PC-only download service jointly owned by five Hollywood studios.
Those films are priced between $20 and $30.
Sony and Lionsgate have also begun selling some films on CinemaNow, which is partly owned by Microsoft, Lionsgate, Cisco Systems Inc. and Blockbuster Inc. Lionsgate is owned by Lionsgate Entertainment Corp.
CinemaNow said it is negotiating with other studios to offer films on the site. Announcements of similar deals could come as early as this week.
Portability is a key factor for studios such as Disney, whose films are watched as often by children riding in cars as college students on their computers. Disney's deal with CinemaNow is it's first foray into the download-to-own market, although it rents its films online.
Portability also makes it easier to transfer a movie from a computer in a den or bedroom to a large TV screen in the living room, where most people prefer to watch films.
Movielink does not yet offer transfer of films to portable devices, although the company said it hopes to have that feature within a year.
05-31-2006, 04:06 PM
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stupid that is MS media only. And the fact you can't burn it to a DVD.
That takes away most of the appeal of download to own.
That takes away most of the appeal of download to own.
06-01-2006, 11:59 AM
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^^ True...but it's starting...give it time. The future is near.
06-16-2006, 09:30 AM
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Starting!?!? 
Dude, downloading movie services have been out for awhile... I have on-demand at my house already, I have had it for years (1000's of things on it). Shit my friends had on-demand services at their house when I was in highschool 12-13 years ago!
downloading/streaming examples:
example:
http://www.movieflix.com/
or
http://movies.msn.com/movies/moviedownloads
... anyone with google and 5 minutes can find more of them...
DVDs/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
streaming on-demand movie services have been out for a LONG time.
1. they are not DVD quality
2. no 5.1
3. can't burn them
4. your tied to your PC playing them
5. Welcome to 5 years ago
On another note:
Blu-Ray is showing up in stores. Some people have managed to buy them prior to their next week release date. Although people have managed to get the hardware no one has any managed to buy any media, yet.
Dude, downloading movie services have been out for awhile... I have on-demand at my house already, I have had it for years (1000's of things on it). Shit my friends had on-demand services at their house when I was in highschool 12-13 years ago!
downloading/streaming examples:
example:
http://www.movieflix.com/
or
http://movies.msn.com/movies/moviedownloads
... anyone with google and 5 minutes can find more of them...
DVDs/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
streaming on-demand movie services have been out for a LONG time.
1. they are not DVD quality
2. no 5.1
3. can't burn them
4. your tied to your PC playing them
5. Welcome to 5 years ago
On another note:
Blu-Ray is showing up in stores. Some people have managed to buy them prior to their next week release date. Although people have managed to get the hardware no one has any managed to buy any media, yet.
06-18-2006, 01:07 PM
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I'm not sure which Blu-Ray stuff is popping up....because the players keep getting delayed from all the companies.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
06-18-2006, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
I'm not sure which Blu-Ray stuff is popping up....because the players keep getting delayed from all the companies.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
06-19-2006, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PHUNBALL
I talked to a guy at one of the local home theater shops here in Atlanta yesterday. He said most of the Blu-Ray players are having some pretty big issues and it will be a while before they even start carrying either HDDVD or Blu-Ray because of these issues...
And Blu Ray movies will start coming out..put the hardware keeps getting delayed and delayed. Samsung believes they will have their out first...which will be a slap to Sonys face.
Either way I see lots of bugs and issues in Blu Rays future birth.
A 1080p TV with a 1080p upconverting DVD player should work just fine til the next generation of whatver comes out.
06-21-2006, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
I'm not sure which Blu-Ray stuff is popping up....because the players keep getting delayed from all the companies.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
Its like every other week I read an article saying the players are delayed even more.
Players have been sold out of bestbuy.
Go read on the AVS forums. There are even reviews out already on the blu-ray movies that have been released. From what I have read the encodings are sub-par... especially when compared to HD-DVD encodings.
But it's early in the game. Kinda a lame start if you ask me though, everything is being rushed to market.
The review of the 5th element on BR is horrible. Which is lame because that was one of the best DVDs to watch since it had no edge enhancements. So sad they didn't encode it properly. I'm sure someone will re-do it down the road.
06-21-2006, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Players have been sold out of bestbuy.
Go read on the AVS forums. There are even reviews out already on the blu-ray movies that have been released. From what I have read the encodings are sub-par... especially when compared to HD-DVD encodings.
But it's early in the game. Kinda a lame start if you ask me though, everything is being rushed to market.
The review of the 5th element on BR is horrible. Which is lame because that was one of the best DVDs to watch since it had no edge enhancements. So sad they didn't encode it properly. I'm sure someone will re-do it down the road.
Go read on the AVS forums. There are even reviews out already on the blu-ray movies that have been released. From what I have read the encodings are sub-par... especially when compared to HD-DVD encodings.
But it's early in the game. Kinda a lame start if you ask me though, everything is being rushed to market.
The review of the 5th element on BR is horrible. Which is lame because that was one of the best DVDs to watch since it had no edge enhancements. So sad they didn't encode it properly. I'm sure someone will re-do it down the road.
It sucks the reviews are so shitty...and yet I'm not surprised and I expected it.
No one has done anything properly to assure either of these formats get a proper foothold in the market...the only people even buying them are video whores...and personally I think they are pissing their money away.
06-21-2006, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
Yeah I saw a Samsung player actually did make it market.
It sucks the reviews are so shitty...and yet I'm not surprised and I expected it.
No one has done anything properly to assure either of these formats get a proper foothold in the market...the only people even buying them are video whores...and personally I think they are pissing their money away.
It sucks the reviews are so shitty...and yet I'm not surprised and I expected it.
No one has done anything properly to assure either of these formats get a proper foothold in the market...the only people even buying them are video whores...and personally I think they are pissing their money away.
While I don't think anyone is pissing their $$ away; I'm not rushing out to buy one
I even have a fully calibrated RPTV with 9" CRT(s). So I'm a HD nut, but I'll let someone else be the lab rat.When this TV dies I'm going to get a HDILA JVC (LCoS). This years models will accept a 1080p signal via HDMI as a true feature. And the Samsng BR player released does support 1080p...
On the other hand...
I've been wondering how many reviews are being done on TVs that aren't capable of displaying 1920x1080 natively... I bet a lot of reviews are being done on 720p TV(s). There is so many variables here, and of course no review that I have seen (commercial) has stated what they used to do their "review"...
Consumer TV(s) (digital) that can display 1920x1080 natively have only been out for less than a year. So I doubt most people can really see the full detail of a 1080i/p signal since most people own 720p sets. Watching a 1080i/p signal on a 720p TV is just lame. Your missing 1/2 the resolution.
So many confused consumers out there that *think* that understand what's going on, most are just highly misinformed.
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
So many confused consumers out there that *think* that understand what's going on, most are just highly misinformed.
thats how I see it anyway.
06-21-2006, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BEETROOT
Hey I posted this in the 360 thread...but... anyone know when the HD DVD player thing is supposed to come out for the Xbox?
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from imdb today
First Blu-Ray Titles Delivered -- But Who's Watching?
Sony delivered its first high-definition video discs in the Blu-ray format to retailers Tuesday -- 15,000 units each of seven titles, including Hitch, 50 First Dates, Underworld: Evolution, and The Terminator. The only problem is that no players are available yet on which to play them, and it's unclear what the retailers will do with the discs before the players are available. DVD-oriented websites that have been able to preview the new discs reported that the technical quality of several of the films is disappointing (they praised the quality of 50 First Dates, however) and questioned whether a market for them could be created given the initial high cost of the players. Samsung has indicated it plans to be the first to introduce a Blu-ray player next week for $999, while Toshiba has already begun selling its rival -- and incompatible -- HD DVD players for half that amount.
Sony delivered its first high-definition video discs in the Blu-ray format to retailers Tuesday -- 15,000 units each of seven titles, including Hitch, 50 First Dates, Underworld: Evolution, and The Terminator. The only problem is that no players are available yet on which to play them, and it's unclear what the retailers will do with the discs before the players are available. DVD-oriented websites that have been able to preview the new discs reported that the technical quality of several of the films is disappointing (they praised the quality of 50 First Dates, however) and questioned whether a market for them could be created given the initial high cost of the players. Samsung has indicated it plans to be the first to introduce a Blu-ray player next week for $999, while Toshiba has already begun selling its rival -- and incompatible -- HD DVD players for half that amount.
06-22-2006, 04:11 PM
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Sony is fuxored
For Sony's Blu-ray high-definition player, the delays just keep on happening. The company had originally announced that the player would hit retailers' shelves in May. It then postponed the introduction until July, then to August. On Wednesday, it said on its website that the new date will be October 25th. There has been speculation on the Internet that the reason for the delays is that Sony wants to make certain that it has enough Blu-ray drive mechanisms for its PlayStation 3 game consoles scheduled to be introduced in November. Meanwhile, Samsung has begun shipping a small number of Blu-ray players to consumer-electronics retailers, where they are due to go on sale next week. The South Korean company also announced today (Thursday) that it is working on a universal player that will play both Blu-ray and Toshiba's HD-DVD discs.
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For Sony's Blu-ray high-definition player, the delays just keep on happening. The company had originally announced that the player would hit retailers' shelves in May. It then postponed the introduction until July, then to August. On Wednesday, it said on its website that the new date will be October 25th. There has been speculation on the Internet that the reason for the delays is that Sony wants to make certain that it has enough Blu-ray drive mechanisms for its PlayStation 3 game consoles scheduled to be introduced in November. Meanwhile, Samsung has begun shipping a small number of Blu-ray players to consumer-electronics retailers, where they are due to go on sale next week. The South Korean company also announced today (Thursday) that it is working on a universal player that will play both Blu-ray and Toshiba's HD-DVD discs.
I think this is what everyone will be waiting for.
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Originally Posted by clorich
I think this is what everyone will be waiting for.
Not enough buzz for either format.
No one cares.
06-23-2006, 01:18 AM
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Doubt it.
Not enough buzz for either format.
No one cares.
Not enough buzz for either format.
No one cares.
...I wonder if both formats will die out and/or not catch on
06-23-2006, 01:20 AM
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I still think they are already dead.
06-23-2006, 05:52 AM
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I still think they are already dead.
Most of the population thinks that regular DVD is HD already. The picture quality is probably good enough for most people so they can't see the incentive of upgrading. Moving from VHS to DVD offered huge benefits in quality, convenience, and added content so it was easy to justify. I don't think quality alone is enough to get people to upgrade from DVD to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.
06-26-2006, 10:25 AM
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I think you'll find both of you are wrong. As the ammount of HDTV(s) being sold is INSANE. And DVD(s) on any TV > 50" look like shit. Even a novice can see the difference between 480p and 720p,1080i/p on the 50"+ HDTV.
Granted most people haven't a clue what they are buying or how the technology works, or that most are buying 720p TV(s). That doesn't matter, retail store will push sales of these players. And the "jone's" will all have to have it... Just like the iPod.
I agree there is a lot of ignorance in the industry...
HOWEVER, both of your ideas that both formats will fail and there will be no HD format for the masses is just ludacris. There is no other HD format on the horizon now. There are already MILLIONS of people ready to buy HD players and content. This is shown by the ammount of people who have been purchasing HD TV(s) in the past year.
Take a moment out of your day and seach "HDTV sales" on google...
I think you'll find it's a new booming market. HD-DVD and BR and launching at a really good time actually. Unfortunetly 90+% of the consumers haven't a clue on HD. And with places like best buy and such selling HD-DVD AND BR you can guarantee they will push those suckers out with every HD unit they sell (or they will try too anyway)...
Granted most people haven't a clue what they are buying or how the technology works, or that most are buying 720p TV(s). That doesn't matter, retail store will push sales of these players. And the "jone's" will all have to have it... Just like the iPod.
I agree there is a lot of ignorance in the industry...
HOWEVER, both of your ideas that both formats will fail and there will be no HD format for the masses is just ludacris. There is no other HD format on the horizon now. There are already MILLIONS of people ready to buy HD players and content. This is shown by the ammount of people who have been purchasing HD TV(s) in the past year.
Take a moment out of your day and seach "HDTV sales" on google...
I think you'll find it's a new booming market. HD-DVD and BR and launching at a really good time actually. Unfortunetly 90+% of the consumers haven't a clue on HD. And with places like best buy and such selling HD-DVD AND BR you can guarantee they will push those suckers out with every HD unit they sell (or they will try too anyway)...
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With the not so wonderful reviews both formats have been receiving...when my time comes to buy a HDTV...I think I will be just fine with an upconverting DVD player.
06-26-2006, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
With the not so wonderful reviews both formats have been receiving...when my time comes to buy a HDTV...I think I will be just fine with an upconverting DVD player.
You make it sound like the units suffer from some sort of technology let down. They don't. They are just the 1st generation players.
Was the 1st CD player sony made the bomb? no. Or the 1st DVD player? no... In the next comming months more and more players will reach the markets. Better encoding processes with be adapted.
And DVD(s) suffered the same encoding problems HD-DVD and BR suffer, so did CDs when they 1st launched. I can't tell you how many low quality DVD(s) I have seen.
HD-DVD disc(s) actually have VERY good video quality reviews. The major complaint is the speed of the player. It takes 30 seconds to boot up from initial power on. Only an anal techy geek would complain about that. They will improve startup times on newer players. That's a walk in the park...
I can just see some pre-madonna geek "OMG it took 30 seconds to boot up, I am not watching my 2 hour movie now!"
Shit, most new rear projection TVs take just as long to power/warm up. God only knows how many of those are out there.
Can't please everyone...
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Yeah...about 4 years ago they came out with this thing called D-theater...If people actually knew anything about picture quality\HDTV...that would have became popular...despite the fact that it was on tape and there was limited content because it never blew up like it was suppose to. Im with sarlacc about the formats. As for the new BD players...pure garbage, the films are way to grainy with the exception of underworld, and the players play as if the disk is scratched..I sat at circuit city for 20 minutes watching a movie...the movies skipped, and sometimes the audio was out of sync. Im not paying $1k for that garbage.
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06-29-2006, 09:16 AM
#115
Suzuka Master
I don't understand why companies release products with so many kinks in the first place. Those that do jump on the band wagon will be pissed and left with a bad impression. If Big Duhty can watch it for 20 minutes and find issues, seems like the manufacture could of QAed it a bit more.
06-29-2006, 09:18 AM
#116
Photography Nerd
I always use my parents as a guideline for what the average consumer is going to buy when a new technology comes out. My dad is pretty tech-savvy and my mom is just like any other mom out there. They're in their mid-50's.
When DVD came out, they waited for a year before they made the jump, but even after the jump, it was a couple years before they got rid of their VCR. They have an HDTV but refuse to pay $100/mo for HD broadcasting. The only way they'll view HD content is when SD signals are phased out and they have no choice but to upgrade. They usually rent a movie a week to watch in their home theatre, but I have never heard them complain about the picture quality. I'm 100% sure my mom thinks DVD's are HD, and I'm 100% sure my dad could care less that they're not.
5.1 surround sound and SD-DVD resolution is fine for just about everyone. It's too early to phase them out. There's just not enough of a "hook" for the average consumer to drop the dough on a new format. For most consumers, they pop a DVD in and it still looks better than the SD signals they normally see on their HDTVs.
Value will always win consumers over quality. Look at MP3's vs CD's: CD's contain roughly 8 times the music information found in an MP3, but because most people bootleg MP3's, MP3 players are a better value to the consumer. MP3 sounds "good enough" for 99% of the population, just like how DVD is "good enough" for 99% of the population. I don't even need to look at the stats to see how many MP3 players are being sold compared to Discmans to know it's a landslide.
I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are only going to cater to niche markets just like SA-CD and DVD-A. Yes, they are better quality, but they don't offer anything of value to consumers.
My prediction is both standards will die as soon as Blockbuster or your cable company can deliver on-demand access to their movie collection in HD. Consumers will definitely see the value in being able to watch any movie without having to drive to a store to rent or buy a title, and get the benefit of HD resolution. The technology is certainly not far away, in many ways it's already here.
Movie studios will jump all over a direct-to-consumer model because it cuts two or three levels out of their distribution chain. Less people handling the product along the way means higher the profits for the studios. They could even release first-run movies direct to the consumer which would likely kill the theatre business.
Coles Notes: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will suffer the same fate of DVD-A and SA-CD since they don't offer enough value to the consumer. On-demand HD movies is what consumers and movie studios want.
When DVD came out, they waited for a year before they made the jump, but even after the jump, it was a couple years before they got rid of their VCR. They have an HDTV but refuse to pay $100/mo for HD broadcasting. The only way they'll view HD content is when SD signals are phased out and they have no choice but to upgrade. They usually rent a movie a week to watch in their home theatre, but I have never heard them complain about the picture quality. I'm 100% sure my mom thinks DVD's are HD, and I'm 100% sure my dad could care less that they're not.
5.1 surround sound and SD-DVD resolution is fine for just about everyone. It's too early to phase them out. There's just not enough of a "hook" for the average consumer to drop the dough on a new format. For most consumers, they pop a DVD in and it still looks better than the SD signals they normally see on their HDTVs.
Value will always win consumers over quality. Look at MP3's vs CD's: CD's contain roughly 8 times the music information found in an MP3, but because most people bootleg MP3's, MP3 players are a better value to the consumer. MP3 sounds "good enough" for 99% of the population, just like how DVD is "good enough" for 99% of the population. I don't even need to look at the stats to see how many MP3 players are being sold compared to Discmans to know it's a landslide.
I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are only going to cater to niche markets just like SA-CD and DVD-A. Yes, they are better quality, but they don't offer anything of value to consumers.
My prediction is both standards will die as soon as Blockbuster or your cable company can deliver on-demand access to their movie collection in HD. Consumers will definitely see the value in being able to watch any movie without having to drive to a store to rent or buy a title, and get the benefit of HD resolution. The technology is certainly not far away, in many ways it's already here.
Movie studios will jump all over a direct-to-consumer model because it cuts two or three levels out of their distribution chain. Less people handling the product along the way means higher the profits for the studios. They could even release first-run movies direct to the consumer which would likely kill the theatre business.
Coles Notes: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will suffer the same fate of DVD-A and SA-CD since they don't offer enough value to the consumer. On-demand HD movies is what consumers and movie studios want.
Last edited by Dan Martin; 06-29-2006 at 09:21 AM.
06-29-2006, 01:04 PM
#117
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Dan Martin
I always use my parents as a guideline for what the average consumer is going to buy when a new technology comes out. My dad is pretty tech-savvy and my mom is just like any other mom out there. They're in their mid-50's.
When DVD came out, they waited for a year before they made the jump, but even after the jump, it was a couple years before they got rid of their VCR. They have an HDTV but refuse to pay $100/mo for HD broadcasting. The only way they'll view HD content is when SD signals are phased out and they have no choice but to upgrade. They usually rent a movie a week to watch in their home theatre, but I have never heard them complain about the picture quality. I'm 100% sure my mom thinks DVD's are HD, and I'm 100% sure my dad could care less that they're not.
5.1 surround sound and SD-DVD resolution is fine for just about everyone. It's too early to phase them out. There's just not enough of a "hook" for the average consumer to drop the dough on a new format. For most consumers, they pop a DVD in and it still looks better than the SD signals they normally see on their HDTVs.
Value will always win consumers over quality. Look at MP3's vs CD's: CD's contain roughly 8 times the music information found in an MP3, but because most people bootleg MP3's, MP3 players are a better value to the consumer. MP3 sounds "good enough" for 99% of the population, just like how DVD is "good enough" for 99% of the population. I don't even need to look at the stats to see how many MP3 players are being sold compared to Discmans to know it's a landslide.
I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are only going to cater to niche markets just like SA-CD and DVD-A. Yes, they are better quality, but they don't offer anything of value to consumers.
My prediction is both standards will die as soon as Blockbuster or your cable company can deliver on-demand access to their movie collection in HD. Consumers will definitely see the value in being able to watch any movie without having to drive to a store to rent or buy a title, and get the benefit of HD resolution. The technology is certainly not far away, in many ways it's already here.
Movie studios will jump all over a direct-to-consumer model because it cuts two or three levels out of their distribution chain. Less people handling the product along the way means higher the profits for the studios. They could even release first-run movies direct to the consumer which would likely kill the theatre business.
Coles Notes: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will suffer the same fate of DVD-A and SA-CD since they don't offer enough value to the consumer. On-demand HD movies is what consumers and movie studios want.
When DVD came out, they waited for a year before they made the jump, but even after the jump, it was a couple years before they got rid of their VCR. They have an HDTV but refuse to pay $100/mo for HD broadcasting. The only way they'll view HD content is when SD signals are phased out and they have no choice but to upgrade. They usually rent a movie a week to watch in their home theatre, but I have never heard them complain about the picture quality. I'm 100% sure my mom thinks DVD's are HD, and I'm 100% sure my dad could care less that they're not.
5.1 surround sound and SD-DVD resolution is fine for just about everyone. It's too early to phase them out. There's just not enough of a "hook" for the average consumer to drop the dough on a new format. For most consumers, they pop a DVD in and it still looks better than the SD signals they normally see on their HDTVs.
Value will always win consumers over quality. Look at MP3's vs CD's: CD's contain roughly 8 times the music information found in an MP3, but because most people bootleg MP3's, MP3 players are a better value to the consumer. MP3 sounds "good enough" for 99% of the population, just like how DVD is "good enough" for 99% of the population. I don't even need to look at the stats to see how many MP3 players are being sold compared to Discmans to know it's a landslide.
I think HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are only going to cater to niche markets just like SA-CD and DVD-A. Yes, they are better quality, but they don't offer anything of value to consumers.
My prediction is both standards will die as soon as Blockbuster or your cable company can deliver on-demand access to their movie collection in HD. Consumers will definitely see the value in being able to watch any movie without having to drive to a store to rent or buy a title, and get the benefit of HD resolution. The technology is certainly not far away, in many ways it's already here.
Movie studios will jump all over a direct-to-consumer model because it cuts two or three levels out of their distribution chain. Less people handling the product along the way means higher the profits for the studios. They could even release first-run movies direct to the consumer which would likely kill the theatre business.
Coles Notes: HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will suffer the same fate of DVD-A and SA-CD since they don't offer enough value to the consumer. On-demand HD movies is what consumers and movie studios want.
Direct to consumer is the future.
06-29-2006, 02:43 PM
#119
Photography Nerd
Originally Posted by Python2121
You are all forgetting that if sony has its way, a PS3 with Blue Ray will be in the home of every rich kid and child in an adults body.
06-29-2006, 03:45 PM
#120
The sizzle in the Steak
Originally Posted by Python2121
You are all forgetting that if sony has its way, a PS3 with Blue Ray will be in the home of every rich kid and child in an adults body.
It's flawed logic by Sony