Blu-Ray vs. HD DVD?

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Old 01-07-2008, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by CLpower
ya, that would be real nice. I wouldn't have bought one on my own, but the wife got me one for xmas


They say a new firmware should be announced on the 15th. We'll see what it does. I'll be real pissed if it's a whole new unit as I JUST got this one for xmas!

I think they have too many other new annoucements to drop a whole new apple TV. Besides which the apple TV does have HDMI, so it should just be firmware.
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I read somewhere that the 360 HD-DVD does not do True HD or DTS: MA. I got a 360 lying around that I barely use. Now that I got a new system, I would like to do something with it. I have the older version, not the Elite. So I will be using component and toslink. Can anyone confirm if the 360 support those 2 format?
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Originally Posted by SupaRookie
I read somewhere that the 360 HD-DVD does not do True HD or DTS: MA. I got a 360 lying around that I barely use. Now that I got a new system, I would like to do something with it. I have the older version, not the Elite. So I will be using component and toslink. Can anyone confirm if the 360 support those 2 format?
I don't believe it does no. But unless you have a receiver that decodes them, it doesnt make a difference.

And if you use the component cables you will only get 1080i, not 1080p.
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
I don't believe it does no. But unless you have a receiver that decodes them, it doesnt make a difference.

And if you use the component cables you will only get 1080i, not 1080p.
Not to mention aren't True HD and DTS MA required to go through HDMI or am I mistaken?
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Not to mention aren't True HD and DTS MA required to go through HDMI or am I mistaken?
Yes. Optical or coaxial won't carry HDCD, which is required for those formats.
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OK, sorry, but I had to change the title to correct the spelling of BluRay

Oh and for the record, I used my XBOX 360 with the HD-DVD add-on... HDMI cable and digital audio and I love it...
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
OK, sorry, but I had to change the title to correct the spelling of BluRay
If you want to get technical, it is "Blu-ray" and "HD DVD."
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Originally Posted by Sarlacc
I don't believe it does no. But unless you have a receiver that decodes them, it doesnt make a difference.

And if you use the component cables you will only get 1080i, not 1080p.
My receiver does decode them. The 875 has a HQV video processor that upconvert to 1080p. It looks better than my Oppo. Looks like I may have to sell the 360 and get the Elite....
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You dont have to get an elite unless you want the bigger HD, too.

I think all the Xbox models now have HDMI except the Arcade and the other entry level version.
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Originally Posted by SupaRookie
My receiver does decode them. The 875 has a HQV video processor that upconvert to 1080p. It looks better than my Oppo. Looks like I may have to sell the 360 and get the Elite....
Just to echo what Sarlacc said... pretty much all X360's have the HDMI output now. I got the Elite only b/c at the time it was the only one with HDMI and the bigger HD is also nice...
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
If you want to get technical, it is "Blu-ray" and "HD DVD."
I do want to get technical... so it's re-edited
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ahaha...it's the title has been re-edited. It's great that all the newer 360 have hdmi now.
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From The Financial Times today...
Paramount is poised to drop its support of HD DVD after Warner Brothers’ recent backing of Sony’s Blu-ray technology, in a move that will sound the death knell of HD DVD and bring the home entertainment format war to a definitive end.

Paramount and DreamWorks Animation, which makes the Shrek films, came out in support of HD DVD last summer, joining General Electric’s Universal Studios as the main backers of the Toshiba format.

However, Paramount, which is owned by Viacom, is understood to have a clause in its contract with the HD DVD camp that would allow it to switch sides in the event of Warner Bros backing Blu-ray, according to people familiar with the situation.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dc409afa-b...nclick_check=1
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So far the FT story on Paramount is pure speculation on their part. It seems to me like they're just playing the odds to get a scoop.

Good bet, considering it could be entirely true. For now though it's pure FUD.
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Originally Posted by soopa
So far the FT story on Paramount is pure speculation on their part. It seems to me like they're just playing the odds to get a scoop.

Good bet, considering it could be entirely true. For now though it's pure FUD.


But if it were true i think it would end the war
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Originally Posted by fsttyms1


But if it were true i think it would end the war
Agreed.

Then Sony will own a studio making the movies you buy, the format those movies are in, the discs they're printed on, the player you buy, and probably even the TV you watch.

All of this from the same company who bundled a fucking rootkit on their CD's.

But I'm crazy and hysterical for thinking a world where Sony has no direct competitor is anything but good.
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geez you must really hate sony.
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Just another link regarding the Paramount story...

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3153038.ece
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New Line officially switched to bluray.

Pans labyrinth is their last hd-dvd disc.

Paramount WILL be following soon.
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Man I'm glad amazon.com screwed up the shipping on my HDDVD player. If it would have gotten here New Years Eve, I would have opened and set it up. It's going back.
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I gotta say I am really disappointed in how this is playing out. Sony has a proven track record of serving their best interests directly at the expense of the consumer. This will only empower them even more. It would be a different thing if Sony used their power to innovate and improve products.

Bottom line is I will continue to purchase SD disks and upconvert - until some sort of 'medialess' technology solidifies and becomes mainstream. HD is not currently important enough for me to spend $600 on a player and $30 for a movie.
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Ummm...why are some of you equating Blu-Ray to be just Sony? The raw technlogy may be theirs but in terms of supporting and marketing the format hasn't Matsushita been a partner since day one?
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Originally Posted by soopa
Agreed.

Then Sony will own a studio making the movies you buy, the format those movies are in, the discs they're printed on, the player you buy, and probably even the TV you watch.

All of this from the same company who bundled a fucking rootkit on their CD's.

But I'm crazy and hysterical for thinking a world where Sony has no direct competitor is anything but good.
I think You hit the nail on the head. They will have monopolized it. Im a fan of their TVs (even though i just bought my first non sony tv ever. Sammy 46" LCD) but i guess we will have to wait to see how it plays out. Hopefully they dont mess with the consumer.

I was pissed when i found out about the rootkit on CDs. I had my computer infected with it before i knew about it being there and was a pain to remove
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rootkit on the CDs? anyone with a link to info about that?
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Originally Posted by JLatimer
HD is not currently important enough for me to spend $600 on a player and $30 for a movie.
Save $200 and get a free game system with your Blu-Ray player ...

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020285

One more price drop and I'll probably scoop one up myself...
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Originally Posted by juniorbean
Save $200 and get a free game system with your Blu-Ray player ...

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020285

One more price drop and I'll probably scoop one up myself...
free movie too!
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Well I guess it's time for me to by a PS3. I currently have a 360 and was looking to purchase the HD DVD drive for it, but glad I didn't. It looks like Blu-ray is infact going to win this 'war'.

I have heard that the PS3 blu-ray player is actually quite decent. Can any of you give me some input on the pro's and cons in going with PS3 or a stand alone blu-ray player?
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Originally Posted by llJrockll
Well I guess it's time for me to by a PS3. I currently have a 360 and was looking to purchase the HD DVD drive for it, but glad I didn't. It looks like Blu-ray is infact going to win this 'war'.

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rootkit on the CDs? anyone with a link to info about that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_So...ection_scandal
http://www.wired.com/politics/securi.../2005/11/69601
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
rootkit on the CDs? anyone with a link to info about that?
Welcome to 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_So...ection_scandal
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Originally Posted by soopa
So far the FT story on Paramount is pure speculation on their part. It seems to me like they're just playing the odds to get a scoop.

Good bet, considering it could be entirely true. For now though it's pure FUD.
Was it FUD when rumors swirled about Paramount or Warner, or Target and Blockbuster going Blu exclusive. The fact is that publications like FT don't pull stuff out of thin air. This speculation, and yes, it is speculation, comes from talking to reliable insiders. Can we take it as an absolute? No. The sources, while reliable in terms of giving the picture at the moment, are not the final decision makers, so Paramount's stance could change, and I'm sure Toshiba is working hard to make sure this doesn't happen.

IMO, don't be surprised to see Paramount switch. In my experience, when stuff like this makes reputable publications like the Financial Times, more often than not, is comes to pass.
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i guess this is what happens when i dont buy CDs
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OK, it's really over now.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/01/08...-to-the-plate/

Digital Playground has moved from neutral to Blu in the format war. Given recent events, it's not a surprising turn, and the studio's Blu-ray library that debuted with "Pirates" will swell to nine movies by January 11. Coming to the roster are: "Island Fever" 3 and 4, "Babysitters," "Jack's Teen America 3," "Jesse Jane: Sexual Freak," "Hush," "Contract Star" and "Jesse Jane Pink." Studio founder Joone (yeah, only one name) does not credit any picture quality issues in the decision, and even said there was no difference between the two formats. The real reason was consumer demand -- specifically PS3 owners. No mention of how the titles might leverage interactive features, although we're willing to, uh, review sample discs.
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http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Well... we've had SOME confirmation this morning of the details of the Financial Times story from last night. While the studio isn't yet commenting, reliable industry sources are telling us that Paramount is indeed preparing to end their HD-DVD support and announce a return to the Blu-ray fold. Details are currently being finalized, and an announcement is expected as soon as they're complete. Paramount's first new Blu-rays will almost certainly include many of those titles that were cancelled last year, but that were already packaged and ready for shipping, so you could see them in stores very quickly once the studio announces.

Meanwhile, sources are telling us that Universal has also been talking with the BDA, and is looking to follow Paramount and Warner's lead as soon as possible.

On a related note, Times Online in the U.K. is now reporting that as many as 20 additional firms currently backing HD-DVD are also considering defection in the wake of Warner's Friday announcement, including Fujitsu, Lenovo, Kenwood and Pony Canyon (which is a major Japanese film and music studio).

What's more, word is starting to circulate at CES that major big box retailers will begin winding down in-store support for HD-DVD as soon as these studios go public with their decisions. We're told that the industry's major retail partners are already pressuring Paramount, DreamWorks and Universal to go Blu following Warner's decision.

Rumors are also beginning to circulate here that Apple's Steve Jobs may announce the addition of Blu-ray Disc drives to their Mac desktop lineup at next week's Macworld Expo in San Francisco.

We would caution you to keep in mind that all of this should be considered unofficial until the studios make their actual announcements. Things are moving very fast, and the situation is highly fluid. Still, it really looks like this is the end for HD-DVD, and the end of the format war overall. We'll keep you up to date with new developments as they break.

Stay tuned...
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