JM2010 SH-AWD

^^ Easy. Accord 2.0 with 6MT.

BEAR-AvHistory

Top of the line Accord if I wanted a 4 door car in that price range.

svtmike

Not me. Back when I bought them they lowered my bank account value. Oh and could be counted on to leave me stranded at least a few times in ownership.

I haven’t had a tow since I went to foreign brands regardless of manufacturing location.

F23A4

Agreed with the consensus re: Accord 2.0T vs 320i. IMHO, the latter is just to have a BMW for BMW's sake. (so to speak)

2012wagon

Saintor

Fake choices.

I would rather have a 325 I6 M54 even in a F30 body than that ... Honda with a 2.0Toy (the TLX isn't one of them - we can argue all day long, no problem).

Shadow2056

Accord 2.0T all day. The maintenance on the BMW....Not for it.

F23A4

BEAR-AvHistory

I don't think so. There quite a few at the margins (good thread at BMW on why people de-badge) but other people spending $55K+ are usually not looking for the logo since typically they can buy anything the want the in normal list of car brands short of the exotics. Just the same as a 2.4 FWD TLX buyer not getting an ACCORD in those price ranges.

FWIW- The number of the 320 debadged as a percentage of the models total cars greatly exceeds the percentage of the 340/440 debadges. The 330 falls in between. You can read anything you want into that.

BTW my 1 series still has all its badges.

BEAR-AvHistory

Only agree 50%. I would buy the Accord because it more fully featured than a 320. If you spend money to add features you still wind up with a nicely featured slow car.

Been driving BMW's since 2004 & have not had a major maintenance expenditure in any of them.

cu2wagon

Did that guy just say "Fake choices"?

pyrodan007

Says many things, some of his own comments are fake too using "fake news" lol

Majofo

Shadow2056

That is true. I hate that we have people that bring in their BMWs and they're running $30k+ price tag with no remote start, navigation, or other nice features. About the only thing they'll have is the back up camera and push button start.

The maintenance thing I think is mainly on the M series I want. Lol. I fell in love with the F80 M3 sedan. OMG. But I don't have $60k to throw around.

And as far as de-badging. I agree with it slightly. I know every car I've gotten I've de-badged it just because it looks so much cleaner. But I do see a lot of guys running trims other than 335i taking the badges off.

Saintor

'Fake choices' is correct. Aside a few AZ mods living on another planet, nobody is considering both seriously in real- world. Neither Accord vs A4 or Accord vs C-Class.

2012wagon

What about Accord 2.06MT vs E63S AMG?

F23A4

Speaking of which

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...al-test-review

VEHICLE TYPE: front-engine, front-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan


ESTIMATED PRICE AS TESTED: $30,000
(estimated base price: $30,000)


ENGINE TYPE: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve inline-4, aluminum block and head, direct fuel injection


DISPLACEMENT: 122 cu in, 1996 cc
POWER: 252 hp @ 6500 rpm
TORQUE: 273 lb-ft @ 1500 rpm


TRANSMISSION: 6-speed manual

DIMENSIONS:
WHEELBASE: 111.4 in
LENGTH: 192.1 in
WIDTH: 73.2 in HEIGHT: 57.1 in
PASSENGER VOLUME: F: 54 cu ft R: 49 cu ft
TRUNK VOLUME: 17 cu ft
CURB WEIGHT: 3276 lb


C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 6.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 15.3 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 7.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 10.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 7.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.7 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (gov limited): 125 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 164 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.87 g


*stability-control-inhibited


C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 28 mpg

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Accord 2.0T without a doubt man hahaha.

I don't care about the badge. And recent BMW's aren't like the BMW's of old.....

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

This shows the 2.0T in the Accord is down quite a bit of power compared to the old J35. The J35 V6 6MT coupe was capable of 103mph in the 1/4 mile. That's quite a gap to the 98mph in the 2.0T 6MT. It goes to show how good the 10AT is and how it can extract the power of the 2.0T.

fiatlux

Well, it's still RWD, and makes a pretty good canyon carver.

2012wagon

2.0T6MT is mad pimp
no doubt

best Accord ever

2012wagon

"Of course, it helps that the 2018 Accord is such a standout in the segment. In our latest comparison test with the new Toyota Camry, it was shocking how much better the Accord is than its arch nemesis. Even when equipped with a 301-hp V-6, the Camry still couldn’t top the new Accord." Motor Trend

2018 TLX vs 2018 Accord:

2018 TLX will it lure you from the 2018 Accord? - Drive Accord Honda Forums

2018 Accord vs. 2018 TLX - Acura TLX Forum

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

RWD theoretically is better for handling and past BMW's were known to be very fun to drive with good steering and what not. But there are also many RWD cars out there that are not exactly fun to drive or have good handling. An extreme example would be something like a Ford Crown Victoria. It's got a V8 and RWD but I sure wouldn't pick it over a Focus ST for instance.

When you look at some of the reviews of the F30 3 series, mainly the lower end trims, you'd see a lot of comments similar to the ones below:

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

It's a bit of a surprise to be honest. When the first images and details of the Camry came out, people were praising the car so much. It's got a much more aggressive body style in XSE form, it's got a 300+hp V6 engine, it's got double wishbone rear suspension finally, etc. People thought Honda would have a hard time matching, let alone beating, the new Camry.

2012wagon

Agreed

I still think the Camry is better looking. Much more aggressive. It gives the panoramic roof and red interior, which I love, not to mention the quad pipes. I have owned lots of Honda product (cars and wagon), and Toyota products (suv and trucks only). I would never buy a Camry, except the 1996 Camry wagon that was a 7 seater with 2 rear wipers I almost bought new.

This current Camry was the closest for me to even look at, but here comes 2.0T6MT (best sedan ever), and blows it out of the water.

Go Honda!

TacoBello

people are way too obsessed with which wheel is being driven. Unless you're strictly drifting, it doesn't fucking matter. Too many people have never even driven RWD (let's face it, 95% of cars sold are not rwd), yet they act like they need it because their neighbors brothers cousin told them it's awesome, and he likes cars, so it must be true.

Does it it have its merits? Yes. I'm willing to bet most everyone has no idea how to exploit them, or even get close to pushing a rwd car to its limits. Is it better? For what, I must ask you (or anyone). It's way easier to drive a fwd car, balls to the wall, than a rwd car. And with fwd... any dick that can piss can get good at pushing it in relatively short order. I have a faster rwd car and after two years of ownership, I still don't have the balls to push it as hard through the corners as I do with my slow as fuck, fwd TL. Yep, even have track time with the rwd to learn more about it.

so I ask... what's so great about rwd? Burning tires and wasting money? Is that really it?

and at that price point, you can find other "canyon carvers" as there is literally nothing special about a Base model BMW.

2012wagon

Would our esteemed Rockyboy get more women in a 3 series or a RDX?

svtmike

RDX. It has the ground clearance to drive out into the pasture.

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

+1!

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

RWD is fun...
but FWD is a lot more fun in the rain around corners!
because less scary...

fiatlux

By that logic, no need to buy cars like a Porsche either because 99% people drive it like a Camry.

There's also more to RWD cars than just "drifting". I've owned FWD, AWD, and RWD cars, and in my opinion a twisty road is a heck of a lot more fun in a car where you can get the rear end to step out with some throttle than in a car that requires you to just maintain momentum.

Shadow2056

The amount of truth in this statement is too high for public consumption....

RWD is fun if it's a weekend car or a drift car. For DD status in in-climate weather, not so much unless your skilled at driving RWD.

2012wagon

what is rain ?

Will a tlx do better in rain or the accord do better in rain ?

cu2wagon

The TLX. Because it's a luxury vehicle and takes premium fuel. Thus, it performs better all around. Ergo, it will do better in the rain.

horseshoez

iTrader: (2)

I assume your tongue was firmly implanted in your cheek when you wrote that.

cu2wagon

FWIW, while I now drive a FWD as a daily, and realize it's not the end of the world that I once thought it was. I find that there are circumstances where I do miss RWD. I think for the fact that things just "felt better" with having the go an turn aspects controlled discretely from separate end effectors.

Plus, I found it easier to steer both ends of the vehicle when necessary through weight transfer and throttle application, vs weight transfer and break application/more weight transfer.

Plus, plus, I am Takumi Fujiwara. So there's that.

TacoBello

only someone rich, or someone extremely fucking stupid buys a Porsche and never pushes it.

and wow, better spend extra cash just so the rear end can step out when canyon carving. Lol. Tell me, how many race car drivers, besides drifters, look forward to the back end stepping out? No one? Yeah, because the whole point is to maintain control at all times and not get in sketchy situations at well over 100mph.

is it fun? Sure. Is it smart? Well if tires are free, sure why not. Is it proper racing or driving edicate? Not in the slightest. Sooo... the 320 is better than the accord 2.0T, how?

I know what point you're trying to make, but you're not doing a very good job of it. Especially when you suggest the 320 is an excellent car for canyon carving. Lol.

TacoBello

and that's what the accord 2.0T is. A safe, smart, daily driver that offers some fun, while keeping you in check from getting too stupid on the roads. That's what this whole thread is about. Not canyon carvers. Lol.

2012wagon

that settles it

tlx > Accord

fiatlux

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have you had a chance to drive the 320i? I've had a chance to drive it on an autocross course, and it felt pretty good to me, and ultimately that's what matters. I buy cars for myself, not based on what other people think, especially other people who would deem anyone driving a more expensive car as just "wasting money".