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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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need some help

how do you stop yourself from being in love with someone when you know its bad for you to continue to go out with them? there's a lot of history to this one so i'll start with just that..
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Old Oct 15, 2010 | 04:48 PM
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man what happened to D&R? i woulda got 100 responses by now
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Old Oct 16, 2010 | 01:45 AM
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It's hard but you just have to break it off and don't look back. If there's a mutual spot where you'll see her then try not to go there, if it's work then damn get another job or really avoid her. Find someone to keep your mind occupied for those months after the breakup, get a hobby. Get rid of everything that reminds you of her.

It's a lot to do but you got to have the strength to do it and stick to it.

I cut off someone who I considered a real good friend -to me she was like a girlfriend- a couple years ago, I was madly in love with her and she may have had feelings for me but I realized I couldn't let anyone treat me the way she did and still have respect for myself. So I sent her a very long email telling her how I felt and that I would not be her friend anymore. I used to work with her but at the time we weren't working together anymore so that made it much easier to do. If I had to see her everyday afterwards IDK if I could've pulled it off. I still think about her and miss the good times we had but then I quickly remember that the bad times were much more often than good. Now when I see her which is every few months, I avoid her, make no eye contact, conversation, anything. She doesn't hate me how could she I did nothing but be the nicest person I could to her and she walked all over me. She still wants to be my friend but I won't have it.
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Old Oct 16, 2010 | 09:22 AM
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Bottom line, respect yourself first. If you know it is bad for you then why bother? Are you willing to change for that person? If so -then through self-respect out of the window.
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Old Oct 17, 2010 | 03:26 PM
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In the long run it just won't work and your setting yourself up for heart break. If you think you can change them, 99 times out of a 100 you can't. Hard to change a person no matter how hard you try. You can both be good people but sometimes things just won't work for whatever reason. The old saying is if you love them let them go. If they don't come back never meant to be!
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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problem is shes a really good girl and i know she is really trying to change, but we've had a pretty crazy past where she's gotten drunk and physically attacked me. She's stopped drinking since that night, and shes making moves which are in the direction which i feel is right (but then again, i feel bad making her change, even if its for me, i dont want to feel like i'm the reason she is changing since i will feel really bad if i ever decide to break up with her, even tho i'm already like there...) so i'm torn. i dont know what to do at all since i have a lot of feelings for this girl but i just dont really know..we are apart and i haven't seen her in a week (minus the sex we had on friday night so i saw her for like 4 hours) but i got up and left early in the morning.. We had been only emailing back and forth but she started texting so i started texting back. its really really hard on her as well as me but i know its kinda for the best but its really hard to let go.
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Old Oct 18, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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If you find yourself a new "miss right now" the one you have now will be "miss never" before you know it.

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Old Oct 19, 2010 | 12:32 PM
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very true..just hard to stop loving someone when you've seen them almost every single day for the last 3 months..even if they have done things which would normally be really wrong to me. i'm just so torn since i know she has so much potential but shes throwing her life away. man if i ever told this whole story bit for bit it would make one hell of a book/movie..or better yet, my whole life would make one hell of a book/movie lol

Doopstr!! what should i doooooooooooooooooooo

and yah i know there has been a lack of pics, i'll see about posting some sooner or later
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Old Oct 19, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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I'm aware of the DSM IV criteria being imperfect, and primarily used as a billing resource, but could you identify at least 5 of the following characteristics in her behavior?

1. frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.

2. a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.

3. identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.

4. impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.

5. recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior

6. affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).

7. chronic feelings of emptiness

8. inappropriate, intense anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights)

9. transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

The essential feature of Borderline Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of instability of interpersonal relationships, self-image, and affects, and marked impulsivity that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of contexts.

Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder make frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment (Criterion 1). The perception of impending separation or rejection, or the loss of external structure, can lead to profound changes in self-image, affect, cognition, and behavior. These individuals are very sensitive to environmental circumstances. They experience intense abandonment fears and inappropriate anger even when faced with a realistic time-limited separation or when there are unavoidable changes in plans (e.g. sudden despair in reaction to a clinician’s announcing the end of the hour; panic of fury when someone important to them is just a few minutes late or must cancel an appointment). They may believe that this "abandonment" implies they are "bad." These abandonment fears are related to an intolerance of being alone and a need to have other people with them. Their frantic efforts to avoid abandonment may include impulsive actions such as self-mutilating or suicidal behaviors, which are described separately in Criterion 5.

Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder have a pattern of unstable and intense relationships (Criterion 2). They may idealize potential caregivers or lovers at the first or second meeting, demand to spend a lot of time together, and share the most intimate details early in a relationship. However, they may switch quickly from idealizing other people to devaluing them, feeling that the other person does not care enough, does not give enough, is not "there" enough. These individuals can empathize with and nurture other people, but only with the expectation that the other person will "be there" in return to meet their own needs on demand. These individuals are prone to sudden and dramatic shifts in their view of others, who may alternately be seen as beneficent supports or as cruelly punitive. Such shifts often reflect disillusionment with a caregiver who nurturing qualities had been idealized or whose rejection or abandonment is expected.

There may be an identity disturbance characterized by markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self (Criterion 3). There are sudden and dramatic shifts in self-image, characterized by shifting goals, values, and vocational aspirations. There may be sudden changes in opinions and plans about career, sexual identity, values, and types of friends. These individuals may suddenly change from the role of a needy supplicant for help to a righteous avenger of past mistreatment. Although they usually have a self-image that is based on being bad or evil, individuals with this disorder may at times have feelings that they do not exist at all. Such experiences usually occur in situations in which the individual feels a lack of meaningful relationship, nurturing and support. These individuals may show worse performance in unstructured work or school situations.

Individuals with this disorder display impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (Criterion 4). They may gamble, spend money irresponsibly, binge eat, abuse substances, engage in unsafe sex, or drive recklessly. Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder display recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behavior (Criterion 5). Completed suicide occurs in 8%-10% of such individuals, and self-mutilative acts (e.g., cutting or burning) and suicide threats and attempts are very common. Recurrent suicidality is often the reason that these individuals present for help. These self-destructive acts are usually precipitated by threats of separation or rejection or by expectations that they assume increased responsibility. Self-mutilation may occur during dissociative experiences and often brings relief by reaffirming the ability to feel or by expiating the individual’s sense of being evil.

Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder may display affective instability that is due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days) (Criterion 6). The basic dysphoric mood of those with Borderline Personality Disorder is often disrupted by periods of anger, panic, or despair and is rarely relieved by periods of well-being or satisfaction. These episodes may reflect the individual’s extreme reactivity troubled by chronic feelings of emptiness (Criterion 7). Easily bored, they may constantly seek something to do. Individuals with Borderline Personality Disorder frequently express inappropriate, intense anger or have difficulty controlling their anger (Criterion 8). They may display extreme sarcasm, enduring bitterness, or verbal outbursts. The anger is often elicited when a caregiver or lover is seen as neglectful, withholding, uncaring, or abandoning. Such expressions of anger are often followed by shame and guilt and contribute to the feeling they have of being evil. During periods of extreme stress, transient paranoid ideation or dissociative symptoms (e.g., depersonalization) may occur (Criterion 9), but these are generally of insufficient severity or duration to warrant an additional diagnosis. These episodes occur most frequently in response to a real or imagined abandonment. Symptoms tend to be transient, lasting minutes or hours. The real or perceived return of the caregiver’s nurturance may result in a remission of symptoms.
http://www.borderlinepersonalitytoda...main/dsmiv.htm

Just a gut feeling I'm having...
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Old Oct 19, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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^^ you talkin bout me or her LOL
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 02:04 AM
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I've been with my current girlfriend for a bit under two years. She has fucked me over countless times and lately has stopped displaying any affection toward me however because of the feelings I have for her I can't break it off with her, as much as I know that would be a good solution. Trust me, if you feel happier when you get some time away from her then it's truly time to let it go. I'm only in this still because I don't have the balls to end it despite the lack of a true relationship.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 07:43 AM
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^At 19 you are truly missing out by hanging on. Plenty of pretty young things out there for you to explore. Plus, at your age, if a girl is not showing affection towards you, she is showing it to someone else.

OP, you crack me up, you have only been with her 3 months. You are better than that!
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by doopstr
^At 19 you are truly missing out by hanging on. Plenty of pretty young things out there for you to explore. Plus, at your age, if a girl is not showing affection towards you, she is showing it to someone else.

OP, you crack me up, you have only been with her 3 months. You are better than that!

Have to agree on both...Never Summer, you're gonna regret wasting all this time the rest of your life so stop the madness now and get a clue. Everything said above is 100% true.


Hope you've been good besides all of this AkuraCLS...haven't seen you on here much lately!
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 10:19 AM
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wow..to the OP...only three months and youre being a puppy dog?

and never summer....some one else is banging your girl.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 11:34 AM
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I don't think you can stop yourself from falling in love. Then again, would you really want to?

What you have to realize is that the person you have these feelings for is destructive and you and her won't ever really have a healthy relationship. Remember the good times and admit the feelings you have for her, but realize that it may be time to move on. Being in love also includes respecting yourself and knowing when to say goodbye.





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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:26 PM
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^^^ Thanks Terry


and yes, i've been good..changed jobs so i'm working a grip. as soon as i get the situation under control overhere, i'll be back on the board 10x

and like i said, if i was ever to tell this whole story for exactly what it is, i'd probably get smacked in the head by everyone reading it 10 times..but it'd be one hell of a story lol

so on to a quick update:
i haven't seen her since friday and she wants me to go out to this knotts barry farm thing with her and some of her coworkers on thursday. i know i shouldn't go but she already bought a ticket so i feel like i dont really have a choice. i care for her and i wouldn't want her to go with anyone else, but at the same time, i know its not going to go anywhere..i already said i would go with her since she practically begged me but i know come friday i'm gunna be feeling shitty. i just hope it keeps raining in socal on thurs so i can get out of it. perhaps that will be the sign i need. (unlike the 10 other ones i've already gotten)

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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:41 PM
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Agree with Terry. You cannot stop yourself from falling for this girl. And to be honest it sounds like you have already crossed that line.

The best advice I can give you is to try to acknowledge what you know is true. You know that she is messed up. You know that she has physically attached you. You also know that she is bad for you. Now acknowledge all this and try to move on. It won't be easy but it will be healthy.

Stay busy. Get a hobby. Work more. Check out the "Just Body" thread.

And whatever you do, stop sleeping with her until you figure this stuff out.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:44 PM
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easier said then done, but i know thats what i have to do. i have to stop seeing her too and leave it email only and slowly phase it out..but as much as i can say it and think it, its not as easy to do i've easily got 100 other things to do a day rather then see her, but when it comes down to it, i wont do any of them and go see her..like i said, slap in the head is well needed..probably multiple slaps lol
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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oh and mods please change the thread title to read need some help, not new some help.
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Old Oct 20, 2010 | 02:07 PM
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Not sure I understand 100%.

Your girl went through some pretty bad times and you were on the recieving end of it. But it sounds like she's working hard to fix herself up. As long as she's making progress, I'd help her out.

GL with whatever you do, man
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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^^ i have to agree... if she is trying to change man, help her out. just don't try to control help her out, if you know what i mean. the trick is letting her think she is changing because she is making the right decisions, instead of her thinking your trying to change her by controlling her (that can end very badly).

The ultimate choice is up to you of coarse. you have to decide if it is worth to you, or if you need to cut bait and run.
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Old Oct 21, 2010 | 08:31 PM
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the thing is this, i know shes trying to change, and i'm helping her as much as possible, but i want her to change for her, not for me...
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 12:11 AM
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I think the fact that she is changing for you says volumes about how she feels. While I agree that it's probably better for her to change for herself (no doubt part of her is doing it for herself), doing it to save a relationship is the next best motivation.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 03:32 PM
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problem is that people dont really change. they may for a bit, but as the old saying goes, a cheetah never looses its spots..thats one of the things im worried about
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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People don't change, you're right bro. I got back with my one ex a dozen times believing that she changed, but she never did. My last relationship I just ended was almost 7 years long, and she also was an alchoholic and drank too much and was really abusive when she drank. I loved her like hell, but I kicked her ass out because it was best for me, and it was the best thing I could have done. I still love her, but that doesn't mean I want to be with her or want her around. You just need to ask yourself is it worth it, and from what you're saying or not saying, it doesn't sound like it's worth it. You need to man up and walk away, and worry about you and what is good for you. Trust me bro, you'll be better off
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Old Oct 24, 2010 | 05:17 AM
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I've been with my current girlfriend for a bit under two years. She has fucked me over countless times and lately has stopped displaying any affection toward me however because of the feelings I have for her I can't break it off with her, as much as I know that would be a good solution. Trust me, if you feel happier when you get some time away from her then it's truly time to let it go. I'm only in this still because I don't have the balls to end it despite the lack of a true relationship.
The worst thing you can do is fake a relationship. Call it quits and save yourself the time and headache. My best advice is to truely be yourself when you are around her, and if she's compatable with you, then great, if not then move on.

I had alot of ex told me that I wasnt the same guy that they 1st met. well, duh, I know the game, I have to be mr. charming to win her over and stuff. But once they are with me, they see the real chilled average guy in me. So in a way I fake my way to get them. But I cant be mr. prince charming every F***** day. So thats my problem right now, I can get them, but I cant make it last long, nor do I care unless shes worth the fight and effort. Where are all of the good girls? the ones around here have been cheated and mistreated alot by theyre ex boyfriends, so they cant truely give you their heart so easily. They have to put you through alot of tests, wether you like it or not. I am done with playing games, lol.
Just truely be your self, and be clear in what you want, and you will be happy.
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Old Oct 25, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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argh! so fucking torn. it really makes me feel like shit that i'm in like a limbo state and my status is unknown. at one point i feel like im leading her on, and at the same time, i dont know if i am or not since i dont know what i want anymore. i know its not a choice that anyone but myself can make, but im so lost.
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there's only one thing left to do, give her the boot
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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update: she's coming over tonight so we can talk..i guess we'll see how that goes
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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youre gonna end up sleeping with her. and the cycle continues.
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 01:33 PM
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what do you suggest then?
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Do nothing. No talking, no contact. Just nothing. Let her be, ignore her & she will get the point after a few weeks.
It's hard, it's harsh, but some need to be extreme.

I had to move to FL from NYC to get away.
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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^^ oh fuck! i dont think i can do that..she'll come knocking on my door...and i dont think i can move away, i gotta job and fam etc
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 03:23 PM
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 03:24 PM
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when she comes over tonight, you should have another female there....
threesome anyone??
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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lol i wish!

so if you dont hear from me tomorrow, put out an amber alert!
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 05:37 PM
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what do you suggest then?
video!
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Old Oct 27, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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I know I'm late to this party, but what's the word on tonight?

And you need to know that people DO change. However, they will very likely never change for someone else-it needs to be for themselves. And from the very limited knowledge we have here, the only way she is going to change is for you to leave. Just let her know the deal and cut it completely.

I know this is very easy to say, and extremely hard to execute-hell, i've made the mistake many times myself. In the end though, it's best for all to just let her go for now.
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Old Oct 28, 2010 | 12:01 AM
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OP- i think if you give it more time and give her some space you will see who she truly is. Sleeping with her and the second guessing your feelings is not going to help.

If she is going to get better with her alcohol problem (i'm not saying she has one but thats what i pick up from your post), She will need support but from a distance. Getting too involved in someones personal life only complicates things because you start to make your opinions known without being asked for them.

Good luck.
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Old Oct 29, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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thanks guys..so i'm still alive for now..we'll see what happens today lol
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