Well dude, BE ANGRY. Use that anger and form it for PAYBACK!!! IN FRONT THE MAYBACH!!!

Use that anger and channel it to a form of pimping u have never reached before. BE CONFIDENT. USE THAT ANGER AND SPEAK YOUR MIND AROUND THESE PEOPLE/WOMEN!!

They will like it. Women like anger and passion. No matter if they disagree with it or agree with it.

 

Indeed..........shall we take this to AIM?

 

unosicklex

 

 

Yang not wang

 

lol

 

A lil too close for comfort.

 

Why do you persist? There are so many girls out there. Who cares if you got no ass from a few dozen? Keep going for it, even if you have to enter into the hundreds. Think of it this way, you have a better chance of landing a girl than winning the lottery.

 

damm minch get u some timbos and some rocka wear and rock out with ya cock out. i agree you cant be nice all of the time. there is a time and a place for everything. there is a time to be nice and a time to be a dick. you just gotta let them know they cant walk all over you. just be a dick to them in a jokeing way. see what happens. plus your 18 still kinda young to be woring about such problems.

 

minch, listen buddy...man to man....ive been in your shoes before, i know whats going on. youre a nice guy...and your fat. fat guys dont get much play. its as simple as that. the only fat dudes who get alot of chicks, or even decent looking chicks, are dudes with money/fame/notoriety/all of the above...its a harsh reality that most chicks love to have the fat dudes as their best freinds but anything physical??? forget about it. its the sad truth man. girls dont like fat guys just as much as guys dont like fat chicks. im tellin ya man, its shitty but its true. ive felt that pain....i dropped out of the game for awhile, lost about 80 lbs and ended up with a hot girlfriend for 5 and a half years, go figure....

i mean it didnt work out between her and i but even still she was the kind of girl who wouldve been out of my leauge when i was a fatty boom batty and we had alot of fun together and are still friends.

all these guys on this forum who get all this pussy and start all these threads about the girls they fuck, well aside from half of them probably being full of shit, the half that is honest...they are all good lookin dudes....nice bodies, no zits on their faces, good hair styles, current clothing style, etc.
this world revolves around the outward appearance...the sooner we adjust to it and realize we cant change that, the better.....


in any case, im just trying to level with you man. not as some dickhead making smart ass comments, but as someone who knows what the deal is.

 

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I totally understand. I use to be fat and ugly in middle school and no girl liked me so i lost weight started working out and caring more about my personal appearance and look at me now. I have had girls practically throw themsleves at me. Cause the first thing people look it is how you look. Like someone would rather talk to a professionally dressed person than a person wearing baggy pants and chains. Its the truth and thats how our society is based upon.

 

Jim just hit a home run.

That's tellin it like it is .

 

I know this is not coming from the same ugly ass mofo in your avtar! j/k

 

It's all about confidence man, even if you're fat if you're confident you can still get the chicks. I know a few big guys who hot chicks dig.

I get where you're coming from though jimcol, your options are definitely more open if you stay in shape, dress nice, and got blessed in the face department. But thats not all it takes.

I'd like to think that I am a handsome guy, I dress well, I am not carved from stone but I am on the right side of "in-shape". I have had a couple 9's, a few 8's, and my fair share of 6's and 7's, and what I noticed is that when I was at my most confident was when I got the best quality of women. The times that I got the most women were the times when I felt like I was the prize and they were lucky that I was spending time with THEM.

But I am going through a rough spot of confidence right now, I had chicken pox back in June and it completely destroyed my confidence. My face was mad fucked up, I am just now getting back to normal and I thought I was ugly and I would never get another girl to be interested in me ever again. Since then its been rough because it's a vicious cycle, low conifidence causes you to over-compensate with chicks and that scares the chicks off and losing the chicks attention causes your confidence to dip even lower.

What I am concentrating on now is building my confidence back to the levels I was at before the pox, and the way to do that is to focus on other things. I am focusing on work, and going to the gym (6-pack by Xmas baby!). The key to confidence with women is not letting your happiness revolve around your interactions with them, you must derive happiness from other aspects of life, that way chicks look at you and see this confident guy that doesn't need anyone to make him feel good about himself, and she is attracted to him because of that.

This past weekend I am already seeing results of not focusing on what happens when I don't focus on my interaction with women. I went out this weekend and just relaxed and didn't think about it too much, I didn't force the conversation, didn't get down on myself when this chick whose eyes where waaaay too close together acted like she was too good to dance with me. And what happened? By the end of the night I danced with the hottest chick in the club (her friend cockblocked), got a number from this hottie with a nice store-bought rack practically begging me to promise to call her, this chick was at least an 8 and she was begging me to call her not the other way around. I also got another number from another cutie but it's been months since I've had such a succesful night out, but it's also been months since my confidence hasn't been on the wrong side of low. It's not a conincidence that both things happened at the same time.

Focus on other things, focus on you, the confidence will come and the chicks will follow.

 

*stretches hands and prepares for a lengthy post*


-ahem-

Okay there. Ready. This post kind of complements my post about "Things Girls Should Know". . . I can add "When you say "you're a nice guy." we know you mean "you're a fucking pussy, grow some balls." In any case, I know i can't be the almighty advice giver being im probably less than a year older than you, BUT i definetly can share some things that many of your fellow peers on this board have told you. These things i have experienced first-hand, and yea it hurts, but i took something from EVERYGIRL that rejected me or hurt me, used me, whatever the case was. The ultimate lesson learned? "Be an ass, and make 'em laugh."

Of course, this goes beyond just telling them they are bitches and fuckin' off. It's a fine line. Play with it. Another thing is that when you say "Nice guys finish last. " and they respond with "no, not necessarily, i love nice guys, blah blah blahhh and i hate jerks, yadda yadda yaddda", they're just making you feel better. Nice guys DO finish last in this society.

Life is NOT a chick flick, you can't just go up to a girl's window at night and throw pebbles at her window and confess your love for her. Doesn't work like that. --err not that i would know. (jk) Anyways, you have to be "mean". And by that i mean(no pun intended), jerk her chain, "pretend" you're not interested. When she tries to talk to you, act non-chalant, and very irritated with everything she says. Keep your answers short, dry and bland. This may all seem like "wtf? why would i do that, she wouldn't want a guy like that"

ON THE CONTRARY, see, now you pose a challenge. She begins to wonder "hmm, why is he acting like this? he's single. i'm hot. why isn't he slobbering all over me and flirting with me like the other hundreds of guys??" Once you have instilled that, you are GOOD to go!
Then she will devote all her attention into TRYING to get your interest. Ironically, when she says "you're so mean" or "you're such a jerk" and is STILL smiling and flirting with you heavily, you know you've won. And if she asks why you act the way you do. just say "girls are too much trouble, drama, and are expensive, AND im a honest guy, very straightforward and blunt." This shows you're not intimidated by her ass, tits, or whatever you're attracted to. Then the ball is in her court for her to pursue YOU. You want to give the image that you are "unattainable", a challenge noone as accomplished. If you can SUCCESSFULLY project that image, then getting girls is no problem. And the best part is, IF she doesn't go for it, you're reputation around otehr girls is that "he's an honest, open person", NEVER "dont' talk to him, he's an asshole." Get the difference?

Remember, no matter what other people say, be the "honest, straightforward guy" and make yourself a challenge to girls, and you'll be fine. It's been working for me. Took me 18 years to figure it out, but now that i have...well-- let's just say i never have to worry about being alone.

WADDY: I Agree, confidence EXTREMELY helps project your image that you are your OWN man, with BALLS and not intimidated by her in any way shape or form

VEERALS05: Looks are everything. I used to be the same way, i wanted to play ball in h.s. like my dad, so i tried out for the team, howveer they didn't want a 5'9 200+ lb shooting guard so i lost over 45lbs and made the team as a walk-on junior year. ended up playing varsity and in the meanwhile getting much more attention from the ladies. sadly, appearance means more to girls then they let on, but think about it, most EVERYONE is the same way. That's life.

SANDMAN_61: Now those are great examples. I usually never return calls right away or even the next day. I never "IM" her first or any of that stuff, it all goes to making it seem like you have BETTER things to do and seem like you're too busy for her. Try this even: When she asks you if you can hang out weds(for example), say i can't i'm busy, but how's friday." Seems simple enough, but it helps in creating a sense of unattainability on your behalf.

Whew! Done. Now for my DISCLAIMER: All the above are purely opinions and thoughts from me and did not post with teh intention to piss anyone off or offend anyone. If i have, i apologize. GOod luck man!


-reflex-



To followup on this topic, please check out:The Ladder Theory

 

^Another good post.

Best line: Life is NOT a chick flick.

The only pansy, extremely nice guys that get women are either really rich or look like Brad Pitt or both.

If you're THAT rich or good looking, you can do or say whatever the fuck you want and still get loads of women. But most guys aren't either one.

 

damm reflex you post is almost word for word what i typed in another thread in here today.

 

Great post Reflex
One thing i can add tho minch is that not every girl works with these principles. To be honest, the girls that i date are all what you guys would call "good girls". they appreciate the phone calls and call back. Being a dick doesn't really work with them but WHATEVER YOU DO, a sense of humor is the best way to win a girl over. I used to be the nice guy minch, you DO finish last. You can't change your game with you current gfs, but with the new ones try being a dick. Bust balls, try to be the first one off the phone, call her names, be an asshole, and if they don't like it/you go too far say "i was kidding". Say anything, even a lie to start conversation and then when they are all interested break out the "i'm kidding, i don't really buy/sell lunchboxes on eBay", that conversation won me over a few girls Good conversation and laughter is the best way to win girls, more so then looks or dance skills, spoken from a good looking guy who can dance with the best of em
Don't get discouraged minch, your young

 

I get turned off by guys who do not have common courtesy. I have no time to play games with a dickhead... But that's just me.

 

 

you needa couple of dirty ones first then a real nice one

 

I never said NEVER to call back, because i agree that is VERY rude even if you don't like the other person. Just don't call back right away. What's the big rush? Would you rather have the guy call you back 20minutes after you gave him your number, then again that night, and again the next day, etc etc? I believe that simply not calling doesn't IMMEDIATELY makes me a "dickhead". . . but thats just my opinion on this entire subject.

DING069: I agree. Some girls DO actually like the good guys who are always nice and sappy and stuff. And thats fine.

Honestly, it just depends on what TYPE of girl you're looking for.

 

I was referring to guys who promise they'll call but do not do so at all. I have nothing against those who wait for a day or 2 before calling because they at least have manners to return the call. And I totally agree with you, everything depends on the kind of girl/relationship you are looking for.

 

By David DeAngelo

I've gotten several emails this week asking questions
like "Should I pay for dates?" and "How do I avoid
paying for dates?"

The answer that I'm going to propose is deceptive
in its simplicity, but hey... those are my favorite
kind...

DON'T GO OUT ON "TRADITIONAL DINNER DATES" ANYMORE.

See, if you don't go out on "take her out to dinner"
dates anymore, then you won't have to deal with paying
for them.

Profound, I know. Please, hold the applause.

Let me explain this a little more.

A lot of good research suggests that women think
of men that are potential mate potential in one of
two categories. I call these categories "Lover" and
"Provider". If you've read my book "Double Your Dating"
then you will recall that one of the three free bonus
reports was dedicated to this topic.

The basic idea goes like this:

In a "traditional" boy-meets-girl situation, the
girl makes a decision early on whether you're the type
of guy that she should get physically involved with
quickly (spelled A-T-T-R-A-C-T-I-V-E) or if you're
of the "nicer" type (spelled W-U-S-S-Y) that would
be glad to "prove" yourself to her by paying for lots
of expensive dates, buying flowers, etc.

I realize that I'm generalizing here, and that
I'm being a bit extreme... but I'm making a point,
so go with me.

A very common approach that men use is the old
"Can I take you out sometime?" line.

At first glance, it sounds innocent enough.

It has the ring of "I'm a nice guy, and I'd like
to take you to dinner so I have a chance to get to
know you better" to it, right?

Well, it may seem that way at first glance, but
let's get a little deeper into what ELSE you're saying
when you ask a question like this one (or start off
by paying for dinner, etc.).

Here are a few of the OTHER LESS OBVIOUS things
that you're saying when you offer to "take a woman
out".

1) You're starting off the relationship RIGHT FROM
THE BEGINNING by offering to buy something for her,
and, more importantly YOU'RE SETTING AN EXPECTATION.
In other words, when you do this, you're setting an
expectation that you're going to do this from NOW ON.

2) You're subtly saying "I feel like I need to use a
bribe to get you to see me again". I'm sure that men
have been bribing women with food and gifts since the
dawn of our species. Does this sound far-fetched to
you? Check out how our closest relatives, the chimps
use food to persuade females to have sex with them.
No, really.

3) Once you "take a woman out" and prove to her beyond
the shadow of a doubt that like to pay for things,
you set a whole series of other unconscious expectations
in place. Without going into detail, most of these
other expectations will only lead to her thinking of
you in the "nice guy" category, and costing you time
and money that you might as well have thrown down
a rat hole.

4) By going out to a typical nice restaurant setting,
you start a whole chain of events that often leads
to two people looking at each other over a candle,
in a loud room full of other people, with a typical
uncomfortable "OK, so tell me about yourself and don't
ask me too many personal questions please" look on your
faces.

I don't know about you, but this just isn't my
idea of a good time.

So what's the alternative?

Thought you'd never ask.

Well, as I said earlier, the first thing you might
consider doing is NOT ASKING WOMEN "OUT" ANYMORE.

Instead, just say "Do you have email?" and if
she does, hand her a pen and say "Great, write it
down for me." Then, follow up by inviting her to join
you for a cup of tea and some stimulating conversation.
Here's an example email for you:

"Hi, it was fun talking yesterday... I'm thinking
that we should get together tomorrow for a cup of
tea and some stimulating conversation. You seem like
you might make a nice friend."

Then, if you're REALLY cheap, show up 5 minutes
late so she buys her own tea and is waiting for you.
You can even say "How inconsiderate of you... where's
mine?"

Here's the key:

IF YOU WANT TO BE A MAN THAT SHE FEELS ATTRACTED
TO, THEN QUIT ACTING LIKE ALL THE OTHER GUYS THAT
TRY TO BUY HER ATTENTION WITH FOOD AND GIFTS.

Use the techniques that you're learning from me
to be Cocky and Funny, keep her laughing, and generally
bust on her to increase the ATTRACTION level.

If you buy a woman enough dinners, she may begin
to feel some AFFECTION for you... but food and gifts
will never lead to ATTRACTION. Big difference.

Now, knowing how to avoid buying women dinners
and gifts is only a small piece of the puzzle.

You obviously need to know how to get a woman to
be interested enough to date you in the first place
before you can NOT take her out on a date!

Well, as you can probably imagine, I've spent a
lot of years now figuring out how to become the kind
of guy that women want to be around.

I've spent a lot of time watching guys who are
what you might call "Naturals" with women.

I've spent a lot of time trying out just about
every imaginable idea and strategy with women...

And guess what?

Most of them SUCKED.

Most of them didn't work.

Most of them felt strange and manipulative.

Most of them were just plain not good.

After trying all this stuff and feeling around
in the dark for quite a long time, I started to realize
that my problem wasn't the TECHNIQUES I was using,
it was the way I was approaching things.

You see, I hadn't really taken the time to understand
women and the psychology of dating and attraction.

I was just trying to learn tricks, hoping that
they would magically fix everything for me.

Well, they didn't.

But what DID fix things for me, and what did wind
up leading me to fantastic success with women and
dating was learning what I call the "Inner Game"...
then going on to learn techniques that supported this
new perspective.

 

By David DeAngelo

***THIS WEEK'S QUESTION***

Hi David. I appreciate the service you provide to
us single (and I'm sure some not-so-single) men out
here. I am preparing to download your book as soon
as I am done with this email. About a week ago at
work, a girl that I have known for about a year now
and I were talking about things to do in the city.
She suggested that we should maybe hang out sometime,
and all I said was "I don't think you could handle this
" -- and boom -- she was hooked! I was totally
amazed first of all that I said anything like that,
and second that it really worked!

Now my question: I was at a bar the other night and
ran into a girl that I knew and somewhat hung out with
about 4 years ago and have not seen her since. She
said she was single, and told me to get my phone out
because she was going to give me her phone number.
This is a girl that I have always [wanted], and now
that I have the chance I'm starting to get cold feet.
I've set-up a lunch for this week, but I'm not sure
since we already know each other if I should still
do the cocky+funny deal or stick with (my usual) nice
guy routine?

Thanks again!

Wussy in Wichita. (LOL)


>>>MY RESPONSE<<<

Hmmmm...

You finally, for once in your life try being cocky
and funny with a girl - and she eats it up - and
then you ask if you should do it again?

Here are a couple of great formulas for you to
remember:

1) Cold Feet = Cold Other Things Below The Waist

2) The "Usual Nice Guy Routine" = See Formula #1

Let's talk about these ideas.

If you ever hear a woman say the words "He's nice"
you can pull out all the money you have on you and
bet that she's not ATTRACTED to the guy she's talking
about.

Women don't use the word "Nice" to describe men that
they're FEELING it for.

So why would you want to use the "usual nice guy
routine"? What, you want to make SURE she never feels
anything other than friendship for you?

Hmmmmm.

What you're telling me here is that you knew this
super-babe four years ago, but the "nice guy" rap
didn't make anything happen then... so you're thinking
that if you pour it on twice as thick it might work
better this time?

Hmmmmm.

Here's a good rule of thumb:

If your behavior isn't getting you the consistent
results that you'd like to get, CHANGE IT.

Do ANYTHING different.

I'm serious here.

If what you're doing isn't working, DO SOMETHING
ELSE IMMEDIATELY!

And if you've FOUND SOMETHING that works, then KEEP
DOING IT!

(Hint: In case you haven't figured it out, I think
you should ix-nay the ice-nay uy-gay outine-ray.)

And I don't think it's a coincidence that the words
"nice guy" translate into "ICE-NAY UY-GAY" in Pig Latin.

Read that again, because it was pretty funny.

In summary, I think you might want to stick with
the cocky+funny personality. It's working for more
than a few guys out there, and it can work for you
(as you've seen).

On a side topic...

From the way I talk, you might start to get the
idea that I'm against being nice to women.

Quite the contrary.

I think that it's great to be nice to women.

Just do it in a way that doesn't make them think
of you as a "nice guy."

Oh, that sounds interesting.

So the question is: How can I be nice without making
her see me as a super-wussy who would pay a hundred
dollars just to have one quick dig through her dresser?

I just figured out how to say this in a simple,
concise way... so listen up:

BE COCKY AND FUNNY, AND BUST HER BALLS WITH YOUR
WORDS, BUT BE NICE TO HER WITH YOUR BEHAVIOR.

Wow, that was cool. Nice and simple.

So here are a few examples:

1) Tell her that she walks slower than your mom, then
open all doors for her.

2) Tell her that she's too uptight and she needs to
settle down because it's annoying, then rub her shoulders.

3) Give her a hard time about her driving, then kiss
her.

Are you with me?

One of the concepts that I talk about in my book
"Double Your Dating" is ALWAYS SEND MIXED MESSAGES.

Why would you want to send mixed messages?

Because it's interesting.

Because if it's done right, it's attractive.

Because attractive women are fascinated by it when
it's mixed with a cocky/funny personality.

I hope that those reasons work for you.

Attractive women are sooooo over guys who kiss
up to them, buy them things, take them out, and act
"nice".

Attractive women are looking for something different.

A challenge. A spark. Sassy, cheeky, mouthy, ballsy,
witty, charming. An unpredictable, funny guy like
yourself to take her attention, and run with it.

Now, how unpredictable is "nice"? How much of a
challenge is "nice"? How much of a spark is in "nice"?

Exactly. Not much.

So, in summary: Be nice... but do it on your own
terms. And mix nice BEHAVIOR with COCKY AND FUNNY
COMMUNICATION.

This magical combination with keep her interest for
as long as you'd like to have it.

Remember, attractive women are different. They
know that they can have anything they want. SO DON'T
GIVE IT TO THEM... and they'll love you.

Does this sound "counter-intuitive" to you?

Good. It is. And it works like gangbusters.

Remember this:

You need to understand how ATTRACTION works for
women, and you need to do those things that keep the
ATTRACTION BUILDING FOREVER.

Now, where does this all begin?

It begins with YOU.

And it begins with you learning how to control
yourself and your emotions. It begins with you
needing to understand the history of how and why
men and women become attracted to each other. It
begins with you learning the basics of how to
use subtle body language and communication to
make women feel ATTRACTION for you.

 

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ATTENTION "NICE GUYS":

If you are a "nice guy" who never seems to be able
to attract HOT women, or you have attractive female
friends who always seem to say "He's really wonderful,
but I just like him as a FRIEND", then this could possibly
be the single most important thing you ever read in
your entire life.

And I'm not kidding... not even a little.

If I had to sum up the biggest mistake that I see
men making with women (and the big mistake that I've
made myself too many times to count), it's being a
WUSSY.

Being a WUSS comes in two main flavors:

1) Acting like a WUSSY to begin with.

2) Turning INTO a WUSSY as you get to know her.


I would venture to guess that most men either act
like WUSSIES with women they're attracted to ALL the
time, or they turn into WUSSIES within a few weeks
or months of meeting a woman that they REALLY like.

I know, this sounds a little strange, right?

What the heck should being a Wuss have to do with
attracting women?

The answer: EVERYTHING.

Let's review a few of the most important concepts
to remember when it comes to attracting women:

1) ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE. As humans, we don't
"consciously choose" who we FEEL attracted to. It
just "happens" to us... BANG! And you can't "convince"
someone to FEEL this powerful emotion.

2) ATTRACTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. When you think about
the concept of being emotionally attracted to another
person, it only "makes sense" that you should feel
attracted to good qualities like "niceness" and "honesty"
and "loyalty", right? Well guess what... ATTRACTION
doesn't play by those rules. The things that we are
ATTRACTED to don't make "logical sense" when you look
at them. We all know that attractive women seem to date
a lot of abusive jerk guys... and that men often stay
in relationships with unhappy, domineering women.
For ATTRACTION to make "logical sense", you must learn
how it works, and get a deeper understanding of what
triggers it.

3) STATUS is very important when it comes to ATTRACTION.
Women are almost NEVER attracted to men of "lower
status" than themselves. This is why certain stereotypes
exist, such as women not liking shorter men, and women
who make a lot of money being intimidating to men.

4) ATTRACTIVE WOMEN HAVE A LOT OF CHOICES. Most men
have never even taken a minute of their lives to consider
what it must be like to be an attractive woman. Attractive
women are approached in one way or another ALL THE
TIME by men who are interested in them. For an attractive
woman, every smile, every kind gesture, and every
favor is in one way or another viewed as INTEREST.
An attractive woman is approached in one way or another
MANY times a day. It would be impossible for an attractive
woman to give even a small fraction of her time to
each of the men who shows interest in her.

5) MEN ARE SOOOOO UNORIGINAL. Just as most men have
never given a thought to how it must feel and what
it must be like to be an attractive woman, most men
have never given a thought to the fact that MEN ARE
PREDICTABLE BEYOND BELIEF... from an attractive woman's
point of view. The comment or compliment that you
think is so original, or the invitation to a date...
or the question about her having a boyfriend... or
the comment that "her boyfriend is a lucky man"... is
so UNORIGINAL, PREDICTABLE... AND WORST OF ALL, BORING
to an attractive woman. She gets this stuff 100 times
a day! And men who are unoriginal do NOT stand out
from the crowd.

6) ATTRACTIVE WOMEN HAVE WUSS-DAR! There are a few
simple, unmistakable signals that men give off that
say "Hey, I'm just another WUSS, so don't pay attention
to anything else I do, because I'll always be one"...
which, of course, make women RUN. (As a side note, attractive
women also have NON-WUSS-DAR as well. In other words,
from a few simple clues, an attractive woman can quickly
know if she is dealing with a man who is NOT a Wuss,
and who, therefore, will be one of the few who are
allowed the time and consideration for romantic interactions.)


Soooo, what is it about being a WUSS that is the
big problem here?

Why is it that of all things in the world, this
is the "big sin" when it comes to attracting women?

It's taken me several years now to really figure
this out, and it's not exactly simple to explain (A detailed
explanation is available in my Advanced Dating Techniques
Program).

But I'll sum it up and say this:

WOMEN COME "PRE-PROGRAMED" WITH A MENTAL IMAGE OF
THE KIND OF MAN THAT THEY SHOULD FEEL ATTRACTION
FOR. THIS PROGRAMMING IS BOTH GENETIC AND CULTURAL.
WHEN A WOMAN MEETS THIS MAN, THINGS HAPPEN ON
THEIR OWN, INSTANTLY.

Now, I personally believe that MOST of this programming
is genetic. In other words, women are BORN with it.

Attraction isn't like other things that "seem"
like they should be similar.

If you want to make friends with someone, you should
be nice, do them favors, be courteous, and generally
act like you're making an effort.

But when you try to take this kind of thinking
and apply it to ATTRACTION (which almost all men do),
then you find yourself doing things that SHOULD work...
but they don't.

ATTRACTION is very "counter intuitive" (damn, I
love it when I use big words)... which means that
it's not the way it "should" be. It's different than
it seems at first glance. It's deceptive in a way,
because unless you "get" how it works, you'll just
keep beating your head up against the wall doing things
that don't work, "trying harder" when these things
fail, and actually making things WORSE as a result
of not understanding it.

Have you ever met a woman and given her a compliment,
only to have her walk away and show no interest?

Or pursued a woman with gifts, favors, and dinners,
only to have her be "confused" and need "time alone"...
which eventually led to her wanting to "just be friends"?

Have you ever had an attractive female friend who
liked to date abusive, jerk guys... and then tell
YOU about the abuse she was putting up with... all
the while you would have done ANYTHING for a chance
to be with her?

Yea, me too.

That's what I mean when I say that you can actually
make things WORSE by TRYING HARDER when you don't
"get" how attraction works.

And if I had to sum it all up, and describe the
one HUGE mistake that men make with women... the one
that causes the most pain and prevents the most success,
I'd have to say that it was...

BEING A WUSSY, OR TURNING INTO ONE.

For a lot of reasons, a WUSSY just doesn't make
for an interesting romantic counterpart. Women will
SETTLE for a Wuss, or even SETTLE DOWN with one (usually
after the Wuss has demonstrated his TOTAL lack of
self-respect, and his COMPLETE willingness to put
aside all of his own needs for a woman). Unfortunately,
this often ends with the woman cheating on the Wuss,
leaving him for someone else, taking everything from
him (including his self esteem) etc...

I digress...

The point is, a WUSSY doesn't trigger ATTRACTION.

Wussies are BORING. They're needy. They SUCK ENERGY,
act CLINGY, and make women feel TRAPPED and repulsed.

Everything about the WUSS spells "DON'T PICK ME".

Now, the first thing most guys say when they hear
this news is "But I don't want to be a JERK to women",
or "I like the idea of being NICE", or "I'm just being
MYSELF with women... what's wrong with that?".

I can identify.

I get it.

I spent many years of my life thinking these kinds
of things.

Well, the good news is that you don't need to be
a "jerk" or treat women badly to attract them. lol...

You just need to:

1) Abandon your Wussy Ways.

2) Learn how ATTRACTION works.

3) Change how you look at male/female relationships.

4) Learn the specific things that you need to do in
each situation to meet women and make them feel that
wonderful, powerful, magical, elusive emotion called
ATTRACTION.

5) Never "slip", or allow yourself to start behaving
like a WUSSY as you get to know a woman.

Doesn't sound too hard, right?

Good...

I'd like to get you started with some homework.

You have an assignment for the week.

Here it is:

1) Stop being "nice" to attractive women. This means
no asking women out, no giving them lots of compliments,
no putting your needs aside, no accepting manipulative
behavior to please women, and no giving women special
treatment or privileges just because they're attractive.
NOTE: I did NOT say to treat women BADLY. I'm just
telling you to stop doing all the FAKE things you're
doing just to make women like you.

2) Stop handing women your, um, testosterone making
devices on a silver platter. In other words, stop
giving away your power to women. Do not communicate
in ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM that you will put aside
your own self respect in order to get a woman's approval.

3) Say the word "NO" to a request from an attractive
woman at least once every single day. Do NOT do this
in an angry, mean, or abusive way. Just simply say
"no". (By the way, it's OK to say "no" in a serious
tone, then DO the thing she requested after making
her sweat a little. This is using sarcasm and humor,
and if it's done right it will earn you big points).

4) Pay close attention as you do these things, and
notice how attractive women will seem MORE comfortable
being around you, and want to spend MORE time with
you... all because you're not acting needy, clingy,
and WUSS-LIKE.

5) If you own a copy of my Advanced Dating Techniques
program, I'd like you to watch or listen to the five
live interviews on that program again. This time, I want
you to only pay attention to one thing: Do ANY of these guys,
including myself, say anything that would lead you
to believe that they act like WUSSIES around women?

...and if you don't own a copy of my Advanced Dating
Techniques CD/DVD program yet, then you really need
to get it. It has the most complete and detailed explanation
of how to stop being a WUSSY available. Of course,
it also contains several HUNDRED of the best ideas
and specific step-by-step techniques for approaching,
meeting, dating, kissing, and getting physical with
women...

The five interviews that I mentioned above are
worth the price of the entire program alone. You'll
actually get to watch or listen to me interview five
of my friends who are AMAZING with women... and get
them to describe their personal secrets. Priceless!

All the details, plus free audio and video samples
are all here:

http://www.datingtechniques.com/emd45/advancedseries/

...and if you haven't had a chance to download your
copy of my online eBook "Double Your Dating", then
you need to do that IMMEDIATELY. You can download it
and be reading it in just a few minutes from right
now.

It's here:

http://www.datingtechniques.com/emd45/

And I'll talk to you again soon.

Your Friend,

David D.

 

Holy post batman, you should have put a warning on your first post about how long they were going to be. Good reading never the less.

 

there are some big guys who score on the basis of having kick ass personalities. I think there is someone out there for everyone. Ugly people hook up all the time (not saying you're ugly minchy ). If you don't look like Brad Pitt your options are just a bit more limited, but most bitches are trash anyway

 

Hmmm......

 

2003: Where do you find these good articles? that info is golden, rep pts added

 

This thread should be a DIY for dating!

 

Amen to that. Looks play a big part, but they're not everything. I dont consider myself ugly, but i am overweight. But i dont let that stop me. Im really outgoing, and tell a whole lotta jokes. most times, when we're at parties, i'm very vocal, meeting everyone etc etc. the key role i play is, i dont pay any real attention to the hot chicks. I just kinda roll with the punches. Talk with em, hang out for a few, but dont seem overly interested or constantly hang around. Nothing worse than the 'hanger-on' guy, who doesnt wanna leave their side. Also, do it like George on Seinfeld- tell a good joke or story, make em laugh, and then leave em wanting more. And as much as i hate to say it, since i'm a nice guy also, sometimes being a dick works. I took a girl home from the club one night because she asked me to buy a drink for her, and i told her she had a better chance of nailing jello to the wall. She was stunned by my answer, then busted out laughing. We hit it off. All in all, the main thing isnt looks, money, status- its CONFIDENCE. girls can sniff it out like bloodhounds. if you got confidence in yourself, it will work wonders.

 

It's a weekly (or so) FREEEE email newsletter that can be sent directly to your inbox. I am subscribed to it, and it helps!!!

i believe the website to sign up is www.doubleyourdating.com

not sure. . . 2003? do you know?

 

Oh i looked at it for a min. i got the idea you had to pay or give cc info....maybe im wrong

 

bottom line... you gotta move on a woman fast... dont dance around... if she thinks you are the shyt... then get her on a date and make things happen...

as for dress code and all... i have pulled babes in atux and in a ball cap, t-shirt and jeans... doesnt matter...

if you are direct and to the point... most women will react...

be yourself and be cool.... thats all u need...

drop the dumb B8tches who dont know that you are a good man... they will never learn....

kumar

 

you sound like a chill 38 year old...

 

damn hobo... you aged me by 2 yrs....

I just turned 36 this past June...

but if I am still single when I am 38... i will give the same advice...

dont treat em special... treat em like you have known them for years.... casual but to the point...

works like a charm....

kumar

 

^^^ uh that and your age is posted under your location...

 

minch since everyone is being so nice i gotta be my asshole self again and tell you


maybe your just really ugly and you should start going for ugly girls, try it sometime and you might get your dick wet for once. Thank you my job here is done

 

so what you're saying is that if i'm a girl in a situation where the guy is playing "asshole" or hard-to-get, i just keep calling him and trying to hang out w/ him, etc?

if not, how do i play the game and get him to cave and finally start the relationship?