HD-DVD coming for 360
01-04-2006 | 10:20 PM
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HD-DVD coming for 360
At CES today Bill Gates announced that the 360 will get an external HD-DVD drive accessory this year.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=477540
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=477540
01-04-2006 | 10:24 PM
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Just saw this. I think it's a decent idea as it's a add-on that you can use with the existing 360 if you want to watch HD-DVD's. I like the fact it is optional and doesn't affect games (it would be a PITA if you needed it to play certain games).
I'd rather it came out of the box, but at least they are giving the option. I just hope it is not expensive.
I'd rather it came out of the box, but at least they are giving the option. I just hope it is not expensive.
01-04-2006 | 10:35 PM
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Yeah, according to this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10710173/ HD-DVD players will start at about $500 when released. The first Blu-Ray player will cost $1800! Hopefully, since all thats missing from our box is a laser that can read HD-DVD content, we have all the processors and video decoders already, the external device, therefore, should hopefully be MUCH cheaper than those players.
01-04-2006 | 10:39 PM
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The price of HD content players will drop.
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
01-04-2006 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
The price of HD content players will drop.
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
01-04-2006 | 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
The price of HD content players will drop.
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
But there is still the format war to consider....what happens when HD-DVD loses? and I think at this point it will. Will Microsuck suddenly release addon Blu Ray players? or suck it up and stick with a dead format?
I see this like Media Center integration with the 360. It provides options for additional capablity, but it is not required or necessary.
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01-04-2006 | 11:30 PM
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Yeah, but Betamax v. VHS was decided overall by porn.
Anyway, I'd bet money that Sony will finally win a format war...specially since HD-DVD had the early support and now all the studios will be releasing both formats...largely because of the PS3.
I agree its good to have the option via external drive...but is this solely for movie watching...or will game content be on it as well?
Anyway, I'd bet money that Sony will finally win a format war...specially since HD-DVD had the early support and now all the studios will be releasing both formats...largely because of the PS3.
I agree its good to have the option via external drive...but is this solely for movie watching...or will game content be on it as well?
01-05-2006 | 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
This is why this option makes sense for MS. They are adding optional HD movie capablity while not being married to a particular format. Sony is married to Blu-Ray for the PS3 while MS can support whatever format prevails in the future. It is far from certain that Blu-Ray will prevail. This has similar echo's of Betamax versus VHS at the moment (Betamax having more industry support initially, but we all know how that turned out).
I see this like Media Center integration with the 360. It provides options for additional capablity, but it is not required or necessary.
I see this like Media Center integration with the 360. It provides options for additional capablity, but it is not required or necessary.
01-05-2006 | 08:04 AM
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Dumb question in general about new technology. When we debate Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, VHS and Beta...who actually decides which is the winner? Undoubtedly, as new tech they are more expensive so the general public probably aren't the ones buying it and deciding one is better than the other.
Is it only the rich folk who can afford to buy bleeding edge technology that ultimately decide for the rest of us? This isn't a political question but one of those "who are the "THEY" people?" questions.
Is it only the rich folk who can afford to buy bleeding edge technology that ultimately decide for the rest of us? This isn't a political question but one of those "who are the "THEY" people?" questions.
01-05-2006 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
Blu-Ray will win. Why? Not because it's better technology. Purely because, it sounds cooler when you say it. 
That's just the kind of world we live in...
That's just the kind of world we live in...The opposite could be true.
By now, everyone has come to understand the acronyms HD and DVD... common-folk will be able to immediately recognize HD-DVD as a premium product and understand what they'll get out of their investment.
Blu-Ray needs to be explained. If a sincere marketing effort is made to teach the common populace what Blu-Ray is, what it competes with, and why it's needed... your point may be true.
However, like I said, at this point I'd lend the "naming convention" upperhand to HD-DVD since it is immediately recognizable.
If awareness of HD-DVD reaches the consumer first, explanation of Blu-Ray will become exponentially more difficult as reasoning will be met with confusion as to why Blu-Ray is needed when "HD-DVD already exists" to those who will immediately recognize it and perhaps even think of it as a pre-existing medium and not just something new and flashy.
To many, if they were to see an HD-DVD player on their next trip to the mall, or when they go out looking to buy a DVD player... they may simply except it as "the next step up" from the $200 player on the shelf below. Whereas, with Blu-Ray, they might just think "it's not a DVD player, it's something totally new" and question why they need something "new" versus simply an "upgrade" as HD-DVD may be perceived.
Again, all of this depends on the marketing. At this point though, I've seen little effort on the part of the Blu-Ray consortium to appeal to the common consumer. The same for HD-DVD, but my point is, HD-DVD doesn't need to make an effort at the scale in which Blu-Ray does.
Sony, traditionally, does not market well to the average person. They try to appeal to the "prosumer". In this case, this may hurt or help them... only time will tell.
01-05-2006 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
I see your point. And Sony does have a history of failed "new media" attempts...
I know they're still around... somewhat, but kinda like their "Mini Disc" player/recorder?
01-05-2006 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by is300eater
I know they're still around... somewhat, but kinda like their "Mini Disc" player/recorder?
01-05-2006 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
bold move by Microsoft... "add-ons" haven't had the best luck in the past... exhibit A:
01-05-2006 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
Yeah, but Betamax v. VHS was decided overall by porn.
Anyway, I'd bet money that Sony will finally win a format war...specially since HD-DVD had the early support and now all the studios will be releasing both formats...largely because of the PS3.
I agree its good to have the option via external drive...but is this solely for movie watching...or will game content be on it as well?
Anyway, I'd bet money that Sony will finally win a format war...specially since HD-DVD had the early support and now all the studios will be releasing both formats...largely because of the PS3.
I agree its good to have the option via external drive...but is this solely for movie watching...or will game content be on it as well?
01-05-2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
I thought Universal is only supporting HD-DVD. In addition, I doubt game consoles have never had an impact on the success of a video format. This will be for movies only.
No, you got Universal, Paramount, Warner, and Newline...which includes their subsidiaries.
Its BECAUSE of the PS3 that all the studios who had originally said HD-DVD went back and said...OK we are now going to offer both formats.
Only real advantage HD-DVD has now...is that its the first to get out of the gates.
www.thedigitalbits.com has been really great with updates regarding titles and what now.
I'm very tempted to skip this whole generation of HD formats...if possible.
01-05-2006 | 06:00 PM
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I'm kinda thinking the whole blueray vs hd-dvd may end up like dvd-a vs sacd.
There was a article on the off topic form a couple months ago that was talking of most people that have a hdtv not even getting the content, and not really knowing it.
With sacd and dvd-a all the audiophiles fought vigorously as to which one was better, but in the end it seems that mp3 won. A very low quality, easy to get product.
Just a thought.
There was a article on the off topic form a couple months ago that was talking of most people that have a hdtv not even getting the content, and not really knowing it.
With sacd and dvd-a all the audiophiles fought vigorously as to which one was better, but in the end it seems that mp3 won. A very low quality, easy to get product.
Just a thought.
01-05-2006 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Sarlacc
No, you got Universal, Paramount, Warner, and Newline...which includes their subsidiaries.
Its BECAUSE of the PS3 that all the studios who had originally said HD-DVD went back and said...OK we are now going to offer both formats.
Only real advantage HD-DVD has now...is that its the first to get out of the gates.
www.thedigitalbits.com has been really great with updates regarding titles and what now.
I'm very tempted to skip this whole generation of HD formats...if possible.
Its BECAUSE of the PS3 that all the studios who had originally said HD-DVD went back and said...OK we are now going to offer both formats.
Only real advantage HD-DVD has now...is that its the first to get out of the gates.
www.thedigitalbits.com has been really great with updates regarding titles and what now.
I'm very tempted to skip this whole generation of HD formats...if possible.
. In addition, the link you provided has this about half way down:"Still, with ALL of the major Hollywood studios save Universal already committed to supporting Blu-ray,"
Here is another link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2774126&EDATE=
01-05-2006 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cusdaddy
At the moment, Universal is exclusively supporting HD-DVD. Trust me as I know what I'm talking about in this situation . In addition, the link you provided has this about half way down:
"Still, with ALL of the major Hollywood studios save Universal already committed to supporting Blu-ray,"
Here is another link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2774126&EDATE=
. In addition, the link you provided has this about half way down:"Still, with ALL of the major Hollywood studios save Universal already committed to supporting Blu-ray,"
Here is another link:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2774126&EDATE=
I don't think it will last. Universal will change tunes.
Warner Bros was the big one. They have one of the largest libraries.
01-05-2006 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stapler
I'm kinda thinking the whole blueray vs hd-dvd may end up like dvd-a vs sacd.
There was a article on the off topic form a couple months ago that was talking of most people that have a hdtv not even getting the content, and not really knowing it.
With sacd and dvd-a all the audiophiles fought vigorously as to which one was better, but in the end it seems that mp3 won. A very low quality, easy to get product.
Just a thought.
There was a article on the off topic form a couple months ago that was talking of most people that have a hdtv not even getting the content, and not really knowing it.
With sacd and dvd-a all the audiophiles fought vigorously as to which one was better, but in the end it seems that mp3 won. A very low quality, easy to get product.
Just a thought.
It's very possible. It will end up a prosumer/videophile format(s). I've predicted this as well.
01-12-2006 | 06:49 PM
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smart move leaving this option open.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=132348
http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=132348
Wednesday 11th January 2006
MOORE: BLU-RAY DRIVE FOR XBOX 360 POSSIBLE
Employment of external drive for next-gen disc format support allows Microsoft to adapt to market demand, says Peter Moore
9:55 A bit of a song and dance might have been made about Bill Gates' announcement on an external HD-DVD drive for Xbox 360 at this year's CES, but Microsoft apparently isn't ruling out the possibility of an external Blu-ray drive for its next-gen console.
In an interview with Japanese website ITMedia (according to a translation by site Gamasutra), the company's Peter Moore has suggested that Blu-ray is an option should it emerge victorious in the HD-DVD versus Blu-ray battle. However, we're pretty sure Mr Moore's tongue has to be firmly removed from his cheek after suggesting the possibility.
"Since we're using external drives [for next-gen media], we can change as the market changes," Moore said, and took the opportunity to take a swipe at Sony and PS3: "Sony can't do that. If Blu-Ray wins, that's a big chance for Sony. But if Blu-Ray fails, it will be a considerable blow for them."
The HD-DVD versus Blu-ray war is becoming an increasingly significant factor in the next-generation of gaming, but precisely what kind of impact - if any - it will ultimately have when it draws to a conclusion remains to be seen.
Stuart Bishop
MOORE: BLU-RAY DRIVE FOR XBOX 360 POSSIBLE
Employment of external drive for next-gen disc format support allows Microsoft to adapt to market demand, says Peter Moore
9:55 A bit of a song and dance might have been made about Bill Gates' announcement on an external HD-DVD drive for Xbox 360 at this year's CES, but Microsoft apparently isn't ruling out the possibility of an external Blu-ray drive for its next-gen console.
In an interview with Japanese website ITMedia (according to a translation by site Gamasutra), the company's Peter Moore has suggested that Blu-ray is an option should it emerge victorious in the HD-DVD versus Blu-ray battle. However, we're pretty sure Mr Moore's tongue has to be firmly removed from his cheek after suggesting the possibility.
"Since we're using external drives [for next-gen media], we can change as the market changes," Moore said, and took the opportunity to take a swipe at Sony and PS3: "Sony can't do that. If Blu-Ray wins, that's a big chance for Sony. But if Blu-Ray fails, it will be a considerable blow for them."
The HD-DVD versus Blu-ray war is becoming an increasingly significant factor in the next-generation of gaming, but precisely what kind of impact - if any - it will ultimately have when it draws to a conclusion remains to be seen.
Stuart Bishop
01-18-2006 | 04:34 PM
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com....php?id=132643
Tuesday 17th January 2006
BILL'S BUNCH BLOW OFF BLU-RAY 360 COMMENTS
Peter Moore's Blu-ray comments merely hypothetical says MS. No external drive for the format in the works
10:08 In response to Peter Moore's comments last week, regarding the possibility of future external Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360, Microsoft has released an official statement clarifying Moore's comments as hypothetical and reiterating its support for the HD-DVD format.
Speaking to Japanese website ITMedia, Moore originally stated that "Since we're using external drives [for next-gen media], we can change as the market changes", suggesting that the 360 is adaptable nature means a potential external Blu-ray drive would be entirely feasible should the format win out over HD-DVD.
Microsoft has now responded, stating that "It is important to understand the context in which that statement was made. Microsoft firmly stands behind the HD-DVD format as the best choice for our consumers. As we've said before, we're confident that HD-DVD will bring the excitement of high definition movies to the consumer faster and at a greater value.
"We believe that consumers have signaled what format they want to enjoy high definition DVD and we're going to follow them down that path."
Reiterating Moore's comments however, the company continues: "The question of whether Xbox 360 has the flexibility to adapt to consumers' needs is a different issue entirely. Xbox 360 is a future-proofed system - one that allows us to add features as consumers demand them - as evidenced by our offering of the HD-DVD drive as an accessory. Current reports indicating that we have a back-up plan, which includes Blu-Ray support are incorrect. At this point, we're fully committed to HD-DVD and have absolutely no plans to support other optical formats."
So there you go. No external Blu-ray drive in the works over at Microsoft's secret engineering lair at present, but that doesn't mean you definitely won't ever see one in the future.
Matt Wales
BILL'S BUNCH BLOW OFF BLU-RAY 360 COMMENTS
Peter Moore's Blu-ray comments merely hypothetical says MS. No external drive for the format in the works
10:08 In response to Peter Moore's comments last week, regarding the possibility of future external Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360, Microsoft has released an official statement clarifying Moore's comments as hypothetical and reiterating its support for the HD-DVD format.
Speaking to Japanese website ITMedia, Moore originally stated that "Since we're using external drives [for next-gen media], we can change as the market changes", suggesting that the 360 is adaptable nature means a potential external Blu-ray drive would be entirely feasible should the format win out over HD-DVD.
Microsoft has now responded, stating that "It is important to understand the context in which that statement was made. Microsoft firmly stands behind the HD-DVD format as the best choice for our consumers. As we've said before, we're confident that HD-DVD will bring the excitement of high definition movies to the consumer faster and at a greater value.
"We believe that consumers have signaled what format they want to enjoy high definition DVD and we're going to follow them down that path."
Reiterating Moore's comments however, the company continues: "The question of whether Xbox 360 has the flexibility to adapt to consumers' needs is a different issue entirely. Xbox 360 is a future-proofed system - one that allows us to add features as consumers demand them - as evidenced by our offering of the HD-DVD drive as an accessory. Current reports indicating that we have a back-up plan, which includes Blu-Ray support are incorrect. At this point, we're fully committed to HD-DVD and have absolutely no plans to support other optical formats."
So there you go. No external Blu-ray drive in the works over at Microsoft's secret engineering lair at present, but that doesn't mean you definitely won't ever see one in the future.
Matt Wales
01-18-2006 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
yup - MD is considered a media format failure
i think blue ray will win if only because the ps3 will have a bundled blue ray player, which puts an inexpensive player into many homes
who would be dumb enough to drop $1000k on a blue ray player when you can get a ps3 instead? and if you really care about HT then just wait a few months until it costs $50 for a blue ray player
01-18-2006 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Python2121
IN AMERICA, the japanese LOVE the MD
i think blue ray will win if only because the ps3 will have a bundled blue ray player, which puts an inexpensive player into many homes
who would be dumb enough to drop $1000k on a blue ray player when you can get a ps3 instead? and if you really care about HT then just wait a few months until it costs $50 for a blue ray player
i think blue ray will win if only because the ps3 will have a bundled blue ray player, which puts an inexpensive player into many homes
who would be dumb enough to drop $1000k on a blue ray player when you can get a ps3 instead? and if you really care about HT then just wait a few months until it costs $50 for a blue ray player
good call.. I had no idea it was still flourishing in Japan. Read more about it here:
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Articl...reshold0.phtml
They have what's known as "Hi-MD" out in Japan that holds 45 hours of music! That's quite a leap above the 1st-gen 80 minute limit.
01-20-2006 | 12:05 PM
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well there you have it. the first signs of Blu-Ray dominance.. for teh win. lol
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147092
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147092
Adult Studio Picks Blu-ray
Storage, security, PS3 main reasons for porn invasion.
by Patrick Klepek, 01/17/2006
You knew it was going to happen. There were already been pornographic titles announced for HD-DVD at CES, but Xbiz reports Digital Playground is the first adult film studio to publicly align itself with one of the next-generation disc formats - and they've picked Blu-ray.
Digital Playground, like many companies, realizes Blu-ray and HD-DVD are so similar and choosing between them hasn't been simple. Ultimately, though, the promised install base from PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray's security functions won them over. "They'e pretty similar in every other way," Digital Playground co-founder Joone said. "We went with Blu-ray because storage and security are the main issues for us."
Even Microsoft has said they may release a Blu-ray adaptor for Xbox 360 if the format prevails. They're already planning an external HD-DVD disc drive for release later this year, though they haven't nailed down any specifics since their announcement at CES.
PlayStation 3 is fast becoming an important point to companies on the fence between formats, and the machine's market penetration will likely determine much of the format war. "We see PlayStation 3 as the Trojan horse that will lead the way and Blu-ray as the format that will be around longer - and we can do more interesting things with it," says Joone.
Storage, security, PS3 main reasons for porn invasion.
by Patrick Klepek, 01/17/2006
You knew it was going to happen. There were already been pornographic titles announced for HD-DVD at CES, but Xbiz reports Digital Playground is the first adult film studio to publicly align itself with one of the next-generation disc formats - and they've picked Blu-ray.
Digital Playground, like many companies, realizes Blu-ray and HD-DVD are so similar and choosing between them hasn't been simple. Ultimately, though, the promised install base from PlayStation 3 and Blu-ray's security functions won them over. "They'e pretty similar in every other way," Digital Playground co-founder Joone said. "We went with Blu-ray because storage and security are the main issues for us."
Even Microsoft has said they may release a Blu-ray adaptor for Xbox 360 if the format prevails. They're already planning an external HD-DVD disc drive for release later this year, though they haven't nailed down any specifics since their announcement at CES.
PlayStation 3 is fast becoming an important point to companies on the fence between formats, and the machine's market penetration will likely determine much of the format war. "We see PlayStation 3 as the Trojan horse that will lead the way and Blu-ray as the format that will be around longer - and we can do more interesting things with it," says Joone.
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