Ken1997TL

NSX

Its balanced, comfortable and more practical. I havent driven a Viper but I can guess what its like based on other similar vehicles. I prefer something less crude.

I prefer a Samurai sword over a sledgehammer.

chungkopi

between those 2, definitely a viper. but i'll 911 anyday.

Beltfed

Had a Gen II 00 GTS, great car..........take an NSX over it? Never.

Would also pick the SRT over the NSX.

Would most likely pick the Z06 over any of them.

500hp Corvette...Porsche what?

ShopTalker

what he said

F23A4

Beyond the two originally posted, I'd DEFINITELY would pick the Z06. Chevy doesnt get much right most times but the C5 & C6 are home runs IMHO.

vishnus11

yeah right - its a shame that GM builds the C6 and then gives it the same steering wheel as in a Malibu.

But back to the real discussion. I'd go for the NSX hands down. As the articles scanned in earlier in the thread refering to Senna and the NSX showed, the NSX was way ahead of its time. On today's roads and conditions in there any real use for 500+ hp in a Dodge! It may look good on paper and when hustled through the cones ny MotorTrend might perform well, but it lacks the balance, neutrality, poise, and fit and finish the comes with an NSX. Hand Crafted, Hand stitched leather cockpit vs. some bullsht Dodge ripped out of a Neon or something. Styling that is timeless - although in all honesty the Dodge does look good - however, the Dodge's lines dont exude a exotic car flair. The NSX's powerplant yield a sonorous banshee like VTEC wail at redline, and shifting through a honda shifter is always a joy.

And then there's the NSX impeccable reliabilty and stronger resale value. To the guy who said "V10 vs V6"

for Viper vs. NSX,

I say "In the shop vs. On the Road"

MemRheins

Heres My Take

The Viper is the Modern Version of the American Muscle car, designed by Dodge and Caroll Shelby, and built up to the modern day.... compaired to the NSX, which is Japans Answer to Ferrari..... The vipers made to have Earth Shattering HP and Tourque in a small car, compaired to the NSX, which is all about handeling...

DownUnder

I love it when I read these ignorant "the Viper will spend time in the shop" blanket statements. Viper's in general are reliable sure it probably won't be as reliable as a Toyota, but then again Toyota's don't run 11 or 12 second 1/4 mile times stock or have 450 or 500HP.

Here are some experiences from actual Viper owners when it comes to reliability:

Reliability of Vipers? Pros and Cons?
Reliability Questions....
GTS reliability

DarkSithCL

iTrader: (1)

My son and I saw a black viper 2 days ago...compared to the nsx's i see....the viper has much, much more WOW factor...depends on what you want...the are both beautiful cars...BTW the viper sounds just incredible!!!!

Beltfed

No shit, armchair enthusiasts...who comment on a car's reliability and the closest to the real thing they have ever had is a 1/8th scale model.

I had a 00 GTS and the car was flawless, it never went to the dealer for any problems.

Would it be "just" as reliable as a Honda.....probably not. But a Porsche wouldn't either, Ferrari, Lambo, etc.

The most exciting cars in the world are not the most reliable.

IMO, the NSX is old an busted looking......I don't give a fuck how well it still performs.

darrinb

ummm i go with a c6 z06, rest of the money on mods

gfxdave99

(scratching head) what would you mod on a c6 z06?

BeemerKiller

sorry but i'd go for Viper

cusdaddy

I'm sure there will be many FI kits available for the Z06 not too long after it's released.

G

This kinda stuff infuriates me. Until you actually own one of these cars vishnus11, don't comment on their reliability. My '00 RT/10 has just under 30k miles and has never had a problem. In fact, there are a couple of '93 gen I's around Austin with around 70k miles and have only had tune ups-and trust me, they are not driven softly!!

If you actually looked at the resale value, you would know that the Vipers hold their value incredibly well-better than the NSX. Hell, finding a 93-94 with low miles and clean title is almost impossible.

Lesson for today, DON'T SAY SH!T ABOUT A CAR YOU'VE NEVER OWNED!!

zamo

But I wonder if they can give a similar Lease deal

dom

ZO6 > Viper > NSX

G

I was wondering if they would carry that deal over from last year. Very enticing. You get to drive a $90k car for just over $30k!!

MemRheins

Allthough Id also Give Serious thought to the following:

Saleen Mustang S/C

BMW M3

BMW M5 (new one when it comes out )

Porsche GT2

darrinb

everything

MemRheins

bore it out, strait pipes, rims and tires, C6R parts if u can get em

F23A4

Keeping checking in at Lingenfelter Performance Engineering and you'll find out before long.

MemRheins

x 50

BstonBruin

one hundred percent

The new Saleen supercharged Mustang is a beast

jimcol711

sure, enticing....when you spend that 30k plus on payments and then you have to give the car back and you have absolutely nothing...thats really enticing!!

G

Well, what else did you think a lease was?? You are, in essence, renting the car. So, paying that amount a month is not that bad in the grand scheme of leases.

Just think, peeps lease $35k TL's for roughly $500 a month for 38 months-that is $20k. So for an extra $10k, you can get a NSX. Cars are an expense that is a depreciating asset.
So, say you finance the said car for 72 months. With rough calculations, not including interest etc., you would have a payment of about $1250 with nothing down. Now, after 36 months, you have paid $45k towards your $90k note. With any luck, after those 36 months, you could get maybe $50k in trade-in. So, with a pay-off of $45k, you walk away with $5k. However, since you made $45k in payments, you are actually still paying $10k more for the same car. Your choice, but I would rather spend $30k and "have nothing at the end" then spend $45k and make $5k at the end.

DownUnder

I think it's going to be harder to use an FI kit on the C6 Z06 cause of the stock high compression rate of 11.1. Either they're gonna have to run a low boost FI kit and carefully tune it to not cause detonation or lower the compression by installing new forged piston which is not cheap.

DownUnder

Yeah, I can't wait to see what LPE has in store for the new C6 Vette.

vishnus11

just offerin my 2 cents...sorry if they offended u. My comments may have been a lil over the top, but were based upon the fact that my uncle and myself test drove an 00 NSX with 30K on it, and then test drove a brand new one. Couldnt even tell the diffrence. He ended up buyin the 00 (purchase around Nov03 i think) and hasn't had a problem since (although he's gonna trade for an elise ).

now the viper....an neighbor owns an R/T 10 with about 40K miles and though he loves it, he claims of problems with burnt clutche, poor shift linkage, rattles, and poor fit and finish. Sure it has raw power, but its quality and reliabilty cannot compare to that of an NSX. When comapring the two cars NSX vs. Viper in terms of reliabilty, the NSX wins hands down.

vishnus11

and if u check the resale values on Viper vs. NSX...,i believe NSX is higher. I did comparison kelley blue book for 1992 viper and nsx. and from what ive seen in my local autotrader, prices for NSX are always higher than for a comparable viper.

1998 NSX vs Viper. Over a $11000 differnce in resale value. lesson for day: make sure u knoiw what your talking about before posting.

cob3683

In 1998, the NSX stickered for $84,000 while the Viper was $66,000. So an $18,000 difference is now down to $10,000 (edmunds.com). In 1992, the difference was $15,000 but now is a $1,500 difference.

Lesson for the day: Check your own syllabus before telling others what they are supposed to learn.

vishnus11

true..but we were talking about RESALE values, not factoring in the original purchase price. lesson for the day: know what resale value means

vishnus11

P.S.

I think I got the current value of a 98 viper to be around 30K. Assuming base price of 66,000 .... 30000/66000 = 0.455 - about 45% of original value

For the 98 NSX i got aroung 42K. Assuming base price of 84000...42000/84000 = 0.5 = 50% of the original value.

Thus resale value for the NSX is more. Enough lessons learned.

Bottom Line: Both are pretty darn nice cars...pick which ever suits u and ur driving style best

Beltfed

So, car's depreciate and you lose $.....lot's of it after trying to sell it after 3 years (in most cases).....that's really enticing. With leasing, you pay for what you use. If you're retarded and don't know how to negotiate a lease (knowing the ins and outs) then I can understand why someone would be turned off.

Ask all the people who bought CLs and now they aren't worth jack shit.

I bought the STi and leased the M3, been leasing for years and no regrets. Some of us don't want to keep cars for more than 30-36 months.

DownUnder

When you find a '98 Viper in good condition selling $30K let me know. Average selling price on AutoTrader.com across the nation for a '98 Viper is around $47K. Lowest price on a '98 Viper I could find on AutoTrader was selling for $37,500. Do the math again junior.

You should take your own advice.

vishnus11

values from kbb.com.

DownUnder

KBB doesn't sell cars people do.

scalbert

OK, as quoted from KBB:

1998 Dodge Viper GTS Coupe 2D
Private Party Value $33,890
33890 / 66000 = 51%

1998 Acura NSX Sport Coupe 2D
Private Party Value $37,915
37915 / 84000 = 45%

Looks like the percentage of retained value is better for the Viper. I would take the NSX over the Viper; however, the Viper's value holds pretty well.

scalbert

I should also add that I am currently in the market for an NSX and am finding the prices are lower than what KBB, NADA, etc. are putting them at. The Vipers are closer to the indicated market values.

Of interesting note, it appears there are more higher mileage NSX's out there than Vipers. That could be an indication that the NSX is easier to live with on a day to day basis. Or it could mean that Viper owners are scared to drive their cars.

DownUnder

Yea, it looks like people that have NSX don't mind driving them everyday, cause when you're not driving it fast it's a tame little cruiser. The Viper on the other hand is a beast at all times that can bite you anytime if you're not careful and it will keep you on edge.

The C6 Z06 will be a tamed beast when you want it to be.