TSX Preview in C&D...too harsh???
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Sidemarker,
Agreed. I don't think Acura can take away from the hardcore BMW buyer. However, the numbers that Acura believes it has says that there is a significant volume of buyers who rotate. I think it's a step in the right direction. Of course Acura needs to do much more but remember BMW has been at it for longer time and Acura and can take more risks.
Agreed. I don't think Acura can take away from the hardcore BMW buyer. However, the numbers that Acura believes it has says that there is a significant volume of buyers who rotate. I think it's a step in the right direction. Of course Acura needs to do much more but remember BMW has been at it for longer time and Acura and can take more risks.
Originally posted by sidemarker
i think the bottom line is this: the TSX probably is a better buy then the 325 in value and performance. BUT i dont think it matters! PEOPLE WILL BUY A 325 BECAUSE ITS A BMW and thats all that matters to them!!!!!!!!
i think the a4 will be a better competitor for the TSX. Usually these people are not to showy and look at value rather then brand names!
I see lots and lots of 325s out there and those people could have purchased the tl or tl-s or even cl. The tl and cl is probably a better car but they still purchase the 325 only because its a BMW!!!!
sidemarker
i think the bottom line is this: the TSX probably is a better buy then the 325 in value and performance. BUT i dont think it matters! PEOPLE WILL BUY A 325 BECAUSE ITS A BMW and thats all that matters to them!!!!!!!!
i think the a4 will be a better competitor for the TSX. Usually these people are not to showy and look at value rather then brand names!
I see lots and lots of 325s out there and those people could have purchased the tl or tl-s or even cl. The tl and cl is probably a better car but they still purchase the 325 only because its a BMW!!!!
sidemarker
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Originally posted by NJTypeS
I really think all of the negativity towards the TSX is the engine. Acura wants to be known as a luxury manufacturer. Other than the slk 230, and mercedes hatchback ( thats another travesty in itself imo) luxury cars do not have 4 cylinder engines. If the CLs-TLS engine was in the TSX, I'm sure just about everyone on this board would change their mind about it. Personally, I would buy it in a heartbeat if it had the type s engine in it.
I really think all of the negativity towards the TSX is the engine. Acura wants to be known as a luxury manufacturer. Other than the slk 230, and mercedes hatchback ( thats another travesty in itself imo) luxury cars do not have 4 cylinder engines. If the CLs-TLS engine was in the TSX, I'm sure just about everyone on this board would change their mind about it. Personally, I would buy it in a heartbeat if it had the type s engine in it.
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The engine in the accord and the TSX are different. Accord has the 2 rocker vtec and the TSX has the 3 rocker vtec.
I highly doubt a 3 rocker vtec will allow the engine to have a much less buzzy nature than the 2.4L in my 03 Accord.
Again, I am not trying to bash the TSX. I love the Accord I drive and I am sure the TSX will do quite well.
Personally if I was to ever consider the car, it would need a V6 (but that's just me)
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Agreed. It's a slightly different engine, but my statment was not about power or performance, but the less refined nature of a I4 vs. a V6 or I6.
I highly doubt a 3 rocker vtec will allow the engine to have a much less buzzy nature than the 2.4L in my 03 Accord.
Again, I am not trying to bash the TSX. I love the Accord I drive and I am sure the TSX will do quite well.
Personally if I was to ever consider the car, it would need a V6 (but that's just me)
Agreed. It's a slightly different engine, but my statment was not about power or performance, but the less refined nature of a I4 vs. a V6 or I6.
I highly doubt a 3 rocker vtec will allow the engine to have a much less buzzy nature than the 2.4L in my 03 Accord.
Again, I am not trying to bash the TSX. I love the Accord I drive and I am sure the TSX will do quite well.
Personally if I was to ever consider the car, it would need a V6 (but that's just me)
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What other engines have I brought up? Did you ride the short bus to school 
?!?
Evidence? You have given me SPECULATION. There is no EVIDENCE as you so put it. It hasn't been tested yet. And the BMW graph has a better powerband. Evidence of what? you can search the internet?
The TSX has more torque? once again, did you ride the short bus to school? Power per liter? ok it does. woopdie doo!
DOES IT HAVE MORE TORQUE. NO. Period, END OF STORY.
The I6 is almost perfectly balanced engine by it's design. Which is why it is great for its torque.
LAST TIME:
I was correcting the engine comparison. The BMW engine has a better POWR BAND. Which is why it PROPELS the HEAVIER 325i faster than the LIGHTER and more HP TSX. I was NOT correcting the car, it's pretty cool. I don't have any problems with it. I was just confronting someones engine statements in comparison to the TSX.
I was just trying to say they are NOT equal as someone stated? Was it you who posted the Turbo, and 2.5L BMW engines as comparison to the TSX engine?
Do you see what your doing? The engine comparison went downhill. So you went into this "power per liter" B.S. We are discussing the 4cyl application on a 4 DOOR sedan. Not who can squeek the most power from the smallest engine. If so the Wankel engine would win, and this argument would be over.
Stay on track here.
So what does that do for the TSX? 
You can pop the hood after someone races you and wins, and say. "But I have more power per liter! So mine is better".
b.t.w. they could get more power from the 2.5L BMW engine. It's just not needed for the market the 325i is in. However I'm sure in the future with competion that will change.
They should drop 4 people into the TSX and race a 325I. Then see which one really shines. The 325I will beat it already, but with that test it'll clearly take the cake.
I'm just ratteling your chains, ignore my "short bus" comments Or throw some back at me
?!?Evidence? You have given me SPECULATION. There is no EVIDENCE as you so put it. It hasn't been tested yet. And the BMW graph has a better powerband. Evidence of what? you can search the internet?
The TSX has more torque? once again, did you ride the short bus to school? Power per liter? ok it does. woopdie doo!
DOES IT HAVE MORE TORQUE. NO. Period, END OF STORY.
The I6 is almost perfectly balanced engine by it's design. Which is why it is great for its torque.
LAST TIME:
I was correcting the engine comparison. The BMW engine has a better POWR BAND. Which is why it PROPELS the HEAVIER 325i faster than the LIGHTER and more HP TSX. I was NOT correcting the car, it's pretty cool. I don't have any problems with it. I was just confronting someones engine statements in comparison to the TSX.
I was just trying to say they are NOT equal as someone stated? Was it you who posted the Turbo, and 2.5L BMW engines as comparison to the TSX engine?
Do you see what your doing? The engine comparison went downhill. So you went into this "power per liter" B.S. We are discussing the 4cyl application on a 4 DOOR sedan. Not who can squeek the most power from the smallest engine. If so the Wankel engine would win, and this argument would be over.
Stay on track here.
but completely ignore when I tell you that for each inch of cubic displacement the ivtec i4 exceeds the 2.5l i6 both in HP and TRQ. Sure the i6 will produce more torque; It should as the engine is larger.
You can pop the hood after someone races you and wins, and say. "But I have more power per liter! So mine is better".
b.t.w. they could get more power from the 2.5L BMW engine. It's just not needed for the market the 325i is in. However I'm sure in the future with competion that will change.
They should drop 4 people into the TSX and race a 325I. Then see which one really shines. The 325I will beat it already, but with that test it'll clearly take the cake.
I'm just ratteling your chains, ignore my "short bus" comments Or throw some back at me
Originally posted by Zapata
[B]I give you evidence and you want to ignore it.
You keep bringing up every other engine aside from what the TSX is producing. You keep trying to make it seem that the i4 is a buzzy engine with no power which simply isn't the case.
I bring evidence. That's what you do when you want to make a legitmate argument. I give my opinion supported by facts and data. You on the other hand just give your opinion.
but completely ignore when I tell you that for each inch of cubic displacement the ivtec i4 exceeds the 2.5l i6 both in HP and TRQ. Sure the i6 will produce more torque; It should as the engine is larger.
Remember I'm not saying the TSX is a worldbeater. My only disagreement is with you statement that the TSX drivetrain is lacking.
[B]I give you evidence and you want to ignore it.
You keep bringing up every other engine aside from what the TSX is producing. You keep trying to make it seem that the i4 is a buzzy engine with no power which simply isn't the case.
I bring evidence. That's what you do when you want to make a legitmate argument. I give my opinion supported by facts and data. You on the other hand just give your opinion.
but completely ignore when I tell you that for each inch of cubic displacement the ivtec i4 exceeds the 2.5l i6 both in HP and TRQ. Sure the i6 will produce more torque; It should as the engine is larger.
Remember I'm not saying the TSX is a worldbeater. My only disagreement is with you statement that the TSX drivetrain is lacking.
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Originally posted by Zapata
well i can agree that the TSX needs more power.
well i can agree that the TSX needs more power.
The less HP and heavier BMW keeps up and or outperforms it?
Maybe it just needs a 200hp 6cyl with more torque and a better powerband.
I think the car is pimp. But the 4cyl idea is just not clicking.
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I agree with Sidemarker and Zapata, Acurafan brings up a good point by filling in the lineup gap. I have a neighbor w/ a 330ci and he is constantly checking out my CL. His 330 is sweet but seems to compliment mine more than his. I asked why he didn't buy one and his reply was "been a bmw fan for years and not too crazy about fwd cars." Acura gives us just enough as far as quality goes for the price if not more. As far as power in hp and torque, how many daily drivers actually drive over 100mph or need that extra hp to get to blockbuster video? It's all about ego and competition knowing your car is better than the next guys. Lets jus welcome the Tsx into the family, we can't get rid of it so lets just mod it!
Did I mention the CLS is the $hit!!! :o) Jus adding another .02
Did I mention the CLS is the $hit!!! :o) Jus adding another .02
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Originally posted by TypeS_boi
I agree with Sidemarker and Zapata, Acurafan brings up a good point by filling in the lineup gap. I have a neighbor w/ a 330ci and he is constantly checking out my CL. His 330 is sweet but seems to compliment mine more than his. I asked why he didn't buy one and his reply was "been a bmw fan for years and not too crazy about fwd cars." Acura gives us just enough as far as quality goes for the price if not more. As far as power in hp and torque, how many daily drivers actually drive over 100mph or need that extra hp to get to blockbuster video? It's all about ego and competition knowing your car is better than the next guys. Lets jus welcome the Tsx into the family, we can't get rid of it so lets just mod it!
Did I mention the CLS is the $hit!!! :o) Jus adding another .02
I agree with Sidemarker and Zapata, Acurafan brings up a good point by filling in the lineup gap. I have a neighbor w/ a 330ci and he is constantly checking out my CL. His 330 is sweet but seems to compliment mine more than his. I asked why he didn't buy one and his reply was "been a bmw fan for years and not too crazy about fwd cars." Acura gives us just enough as far as quality goes for the price if not more. As far as power in hp and torque, how many daily drivers actually drive over 100mph or need that extra hp to get to blockbuster video? It's all about ego and competition knowing your car is better than the next guys. Lets jus welcome the Tsx into the family, we can't get rid of it so lets just mod it!
Did I mention the CLS is the $hit!!! :o) Jus adding another .02
You can get options on BMWs that Acura has never offered. Not to mention a well tuned suspension and RWD.
Price wise, the Acura is hard to pass up. Acura/Honda took the gap that was missing for the people who like the "best bang for you buck" And it has worked for them! Now some of the the bang for your buck people want BMW options at Acura prices. Not gonna happen.
I'm a "bang for your buck" kinda guy with my budget. Someday that'll change. And I'll move on to BMW myself too.
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Originally posted by sidemarker
the cl/tl are entry class vehicle. the RL is suppose to be the flagship for acura. how many more entry class vehicles does honda/acura need?
the TSX will sell no doubt. acura will make a crap load of money from it. but what the hell are they going to offer me????
i see tl's every where on the road. so i think it safe to say its very affordable. but if you are a current cl/tl owner and a couple more years down the road when you look into purchasing a new car what the hell are you going to buy? the RL??? people tend to make more money in the future and want better products. I plan on buying a new car in 2 years, judging from the line up acura has to offer right now i dont think ill be purchasing another acura!
sidemarker
the cl/tl are entry class vehicle. the RL is suppose to be the flagship for acura. how many more entry class vehicles does honda/acura need?
the TSX will sell no doubt. acura will make a crap load of money from it. but what the hell are they going to offer me????
i see tl's every where on the road. so i think it safe to say its very affordable. but if you are a current cl/tl owner and a couple more years down the road when you look into purchasing a new car what the hell are you going to buy? the RL??? people tend to make more money in the future and want better products. I plan on buying a new car in 2 years, judging from the line up acura has to offer right now i dont think ill be purchasing another acura!
sidemarker
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Why couldn't Acura put the 3.0L V6 in the TSX? Unless they're still planning on getting some use out of the 3.2 in the TL for a few years.
But if the new TL is gonna be bumped to a 3.5L or something, why not throw in a bigger motor???
But if the new TL is gonna be bumped to a 3.5L or something, why not throw in a bigger motor???
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Originally posted by AcuraFan
See, I think the TSX fits the definition of an entry level lux sedan better than the TL. It's more to the size and power of that class. And now, with the TSX there, the TL will be redefined...adding more power, more refinement, higher price. So, for those who currently own a TL, the 2004 TL will be an upgrade. Once the TL has been reworked, the RL will get an overhaul. You just need a little patience...don't get upset with Acura because they aren't offering something for you right now. In two years, when you are ready to buy again, the Acura lineup will be very different.
See, I think the TSX fits the definition of an entry level lux sedan better than the TL. It's more to the size and power of that class. And now, with the TSX there, the TL will be redefined...adding more power, more refinement, higher price. So, for those who currently own a TL, the 2004 TL will be an upgrade. Once the TL has been reworked, the RL will get an overhaul. You just need a little patience...don't get upset with Acura because they aren't offering something for you right now. In two years, when you are ready to buy again, the Acura lineup will be very different.
but if you look at the numbers, in general the turnover for a new car for a consumer is between 3-5 years. for all the 2001 models of tl/cl some of you guys are shopping for a new car next year. this 04 tl better be worth it!sidemarker
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Originally posted by NJTypeS
I really think all of the negativity towards the TSX is the engine. Acura wants to be known as a luxury manufacturer. Other than the slk 230, and mercedes hatchback ( thats another travesty in itself imo) luxury cars do not have 4 cylinder engines. If the CLs-TLS engine was in the TSX, I'm sure just about everyone on this board would change their mind about it. Personally, I would buy it in a heartbeat if it had the type s engine in it.
I really think all of the negativity towards the TSX is the engine. Acura wants to be known as a luxury manufacturer. Other than the slk 230, and mercedes hatchback ( thats another travesty in itself imo) luxury cars do not have 4 cylinder engines. If the CLs-TLS engine was in the TSX, I'm sure just about everyone on this board would change their mind about it. Personally, I would buy it in a heartbeat if it had the type s engine in it.
I'm anxious to see what's going to be in the Type S...in any event, it's going to rock.
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Originally posted by sidemarker
i hope you are right but if you look at the numbers, in general the turnover for a new car for a consumer is between 3-5 years. for all the 2001 models of tl/cl some of you guys are shopping for a new car next year. this 04 tl better be worth it!
sidemarker
i hope you are right
but if you look at the numbers, in general the turnover for a new car for a consumer is between 3-5 years. for all the 2001 models of tl/cl some of you guys are shopping for a new car next year. this 04 tl better be worth it!sidemarker
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You can say all you want about modability, good HP (but you must keep the engine in its relatively high power band), etc. The average buyer (who is not part of this forum) will want smooth, low end torque from their "luxary" TSX. After the test drive, most will not buy. It needs a small V-6. Maybe 2.7 liters would be sufficient.
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Originally posted by joeandcarol2
You can say all you want about modability, good HP (but you must keep the engine in its relatively high power band), etc. The average buyer (who is not part of this forum) will want smooth, low end torque from their "luxary" TSX. After the test drive, most will not buy. It needs a small V-6. Maybe 2.7 liters would be sufficient.
You can say all you want about modability, good HP (but you must keep the engine in its relatively high power band), etc. The average buyer (who is not part of this forum) will want smooth, low end torque from their "luxary" TSX. After the test drive, most will not buy. It needs a small V-6. Maybe 2.7 liters would be sufficient.
But that does bring up an interesting idea...I wonder if they could modify that old 2.7 and make it a worthy V-Tech for today's market...just a though.
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As I said a bunch of times before. Why not add the 3.0L as an option. I am sure it would fit. It's already an option on the Accord, so why not have it there on a supposedly higher-end Acura?
Simple fix that would have probably gotten much more press/excitement for the TSX.
Even the similar looking (IMO) and cheaper Mazda 6 has a 220hp V6 option
Simple fix that would have probably gotten much more press/excitement for the TSX.
Even the similar looking (IMO) and cheaper Mazda 6 has a 220hp V6 option
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Actually, to keep this thread from getting to 1000 pages, I think this is a pretty good summary:
Most of us like the TSX. It's a very nice car, with a good possiblity for modability, it fills a missing gap in Acura's lineup.
The TSX engine, while adequate is not sufficient for Acura to beat BMW, Audi, etc.
A V6 option would be nice. Type-S option maybe?
Most of us like the TSX. It's a very nice car, with a good possiblity for modability, it fills a missing gap in Acura's lineup.
The TSX engine, while adequate is not sufficient for Acura to beat BMW, Audi, etc.
A V6 option would be nice. Type-S option maybe?
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Actually, to keep this thread from getting to 1000 pages, I think this is a pretty good summary:
Most of us like the TSX. It's a very nice car, with a good possiblity for modability, it fills a missing gap in Acura's lineup.
The TSX engine, while adequate is not sufficient for Acura to beat BMW, Audi, etc.
A V6 option would be nice. Type-S option maybe?
Actually, to keep this thread from getting to 1000 pages, I think this is a pretty good summary:
Most of us like the TSX. It's a very nice car, with a good possiblity for modability, it fills a missing gap in Acura's lineup.
The TSX engine, while adequate is not sufficient for Acura to beat BMW, Audi, etc.
A V6 option would be nice. Type-S option maybe?
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From: TEXAS
Originally posted by AcuraFan
That's actually a fair and unbiased assessment. Thanks. (but what's wrong with 1000 pages?)
That's actually a fair and unbiased assessment. Thanks. (but what's wrong with 1000 pages?)
and acurafan
good luck to your wolves tonight
sidemarker
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Originally posted by sidemarker
yeah lets keep whoring away
and acurafan
good luck to your wolves tonight
sidemarker
yeah lets keep whoring away
and acurafan
good luck to your wolves tonight
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Well, the TSX is an Accord and even if the TL goes upmarket, it's another version of another Accord. So it better not go up to much in price. It better stay right at the 30k mark. If it does go up in price it needs to seriously offer the luxury experience.
The funny thing is, this I-4 makes the same peak HP as the 1st gen TL 3.2 V-6 (and the 1st gen ES 300 for example). However, people that buy these cars don't really look at HP. Also, as Lexus has never offered a 4 cylinder, BMW no longer offer 4-cylinders and Mercedes will probably drop their 4 cylinders soon, this makes no sense. So their TARGET better be the A4 and that baby Volvo and SAAB 93s.
I don't think a V-6 will help it become BMW competition, it's still FWD. It would probably be more nose heavy. Besides, the styling is still blah.
I guess the more I think about it, this car fills Acura perfectly. Entry Level Luxury. So they need to quit the beating BMW BS.
I mean, when Lexus targeted the 3 series, they gave us the IS 300, RWD, cheaper and a serious competitor. Infiniti finally got a clue and stopped selling the FWD, 4-cylinder G20 and gave us the G35, RWD, cheaper and more great 3 series competition.
How can u seriously tackle BMW with a FWD, 4-cylinder? How can they say that?
The funny thing is, this I-4 makes the same peak HP as the 1st gen TL 3.2 V-6 (and the 1st gen ES 300 for example). However, people that buy these cars don't really look at HP. Also, as Lexus has never offered a 4 cylinder, BMW no longer offer 4-cylinders and Mercedes will probably drop their 4 cylinders soon, this makes no sense. So their TARGET better be the A4 and that baby Volvo and SAAB 93s.
I don't think a V-6 will help it become BMW competition, it's still FWD. It would probably be more nose heavy. Besides, the styling is still blah.
I guess the more I think about it, this car fills Acura perfectly. Entry Level Luxury. So they need to quit the beating BMW BS.
I mean, when Lexus targeted the 3 series, they gave us the IS 300, RWD, cheaper and a serious competitor. Infiniti finally got a clue and stopped selling the FWD, 4-cylinder G20 and gave us the G35, RWD, cheaper and more great 3 series competition.
How can u seriously tackle BMW with a FWD, 4-cylinder? How can they say that?
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From: TEXAS
Originally posted by AcuraFan
Oh gee, thanks....if there were a home game I would be worried about, it would be against San Antonio...damn them and their excellent road record! Well, hopefully they'll be too tired from last night's near loss...and don't forget, The Wolves rock in their home court. It should be a good game.
Oh gee, thanks....if there were a home game I would be worried about, it would be against San Antonio...damn them and their excellent road record! Well, hopefully they'll be too tired from last night's near loss...and don't forget, The Wolves rock in their home court. It should be a good game.
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brought this post back to life b/c of July's C&D "Road Test" by Ron Kiino...here u have the totally opposite extreme...Ron loves the car...interesting
how's this for comparison...G35C and Z are more go than show...TSX is more show than go...good news for the TSX is u can mod for more go...bad news for the G35C and Z is u can't mod as much for more show (when i say show, i mean more the interior materials)
how's this for comparison...G35C and Z are more go than show...TSX is more show than go...good news for the TSX is u can mod for more go...bad news for the G35C and Z is u can't mod as much for more show (when i say show, i mean more the interior materials)
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I haven't driven a TSX, but I've sat in one and the interior design/layout/fit n' finish is superior to that of my G. Acura certainly didn't go cheap on the interior design.
Although, I still shake my head and wonder why they put the 2.4L motor in that car. WHY????????????????!!!!!!!!!????????
Although, I still shake my head and wonder why they put the 2.4L motor in that car. WHY????????????????!!!!!!!!!????????
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For those who are interested in reading the full review of the TSX in C&D I scanned it in and it is available here:
http://www.clubtsx.com/bbs/showthrea...&threadid=3042
All in all not bad, but I do have to tell you that the TSX as strong as it is for an I4 ... I will be the first one on the list if Acura brings a TSX-R which Acura could fit up with IMA for more power, better torque, and AWD I will gladly pay just over $30K (non-navi) for that beast.
Ahhhh ... only 34 months in my lease ... I better start shopping/hoping
http://www.clubtsx.com/bbs/showthrea...&threadid=3042
All in all not bad, but I do have to tell you that the TSX as strong as it is for an I4 ... I will be the first one on the list if Acura brings a TSX-R which Acura could fit up with IMA for more power, better torque, and AWD
I will gladly pay just over $30K (non-navi) for that beast.Ahhhh ... only 34 months in my lease ... I better start shopping/hoping
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