My friend just recently bought an EVO and I was wondering If I could take him. With that said heres some specs for his car It's 271hp all-wheel drive Turbo'ed.. pretty much stock for now but he has an HKS exhaust system on the way.. and for myself I'm waiting for the AEM CAI. I'm not planning on racing him anytime soon just curious.. but i'm thinking it would be very close. What do you guys think?

 

Actually, he would smoke you. Sorry, but the EVO is a seriously fast car, which accelerates from 0-60 in around 5 seconds. Don't feel badly, it is lighter with all-wheel drive. You have more toys than he does!

 

hate to say this but thats an ass whoopin waiting to happen, the TL is no match for the evo, it has more power 276 vs 270, more torque, all wheel drive and it is lighter.

 

What about the upcoming 05 G35 6MT with 298hp? Would it be close?

 

The EVO with out a doubt will beat you. Well my veiw is that I rather have a great looking car over extreme performance, and I still have yet to get over the horrific wing it may be functional, but not to pleasing to the eye.

So extra 15-20HP? I would love to see the specs 0-60 and 1/4 times. I dont think that 20 will make a big difference, nothing a couple of mods to the TL couldnt take care of. I am more interested in the interior touch up, from pictures it looks a bit more refined now.

 

I have an Evo currently and am looking to sell it for an '04 TL .... I drove an '04 TL AUTOMATIC and I definitely thought their was a very slight difference in acceleration with the Evo being a LITTLE faster. I bet from a ROLL their is minimal difference. If I remember correctly one of the auto magazines tested the 5mph to 60mph time of the Evo to be 6.7-6.9 seconds which I bet is SLOWER than a TL.

 

The 05 stock G Coupe most likely will be a little faster than the 04 G, but the weight will still hold it back. If the G Coupe lost some weight, it would might be a closer race. If there was a blower involved, that might be a different story.

 

The EVO will smoke you like a Cohiba. :blaze: He will regret wasting his gas on you.

 

I should have known, just thought It would have been a nice match up, plus the TL is a really heavy car and all-wheel drives have the best launches only downside to the EVO in his opinion is the interior but he got the leather and sound package so its not all that bad.

 

What EVO were you driving, stats for an EVO are;


Motor Trend

EVO
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
13.50 @101.65

and the EVO RS runs
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
13.20 @99.76

 

coming from an EVO I dont recommend it, if your the type of person who looks into performance thier really isn't alot of mods you can do to the TL because it's pretty maxed out.. my friend was thinkin about the TL in a 6spd manual but he was disapointed in that matter thats why he went with the EVO.

 

Yeah I was the opposite. I was all set to get a Gallardo but then I remembered it was only a 2 seater so I bouht a TL instead.

 

Try this:

You and your friend drive to the nearest large bank around 5:01 pm. Park your TL next to his EVO right by the employee exit. When you see a great looking young female executive in an Ann Taylor business suit and Nine West heels walking gingerly down the steps, each of you hold up a sign that says "Can I Have Your Number, Please?".

She'll walk over to you without even looking at your friend.

That, sir, is how the TL can smoke an EVO every time.


Remember, the goal of any automobile competition is to get one of these....





.....not one of these:






BJ

 

hahhahahahahha

 

its been said many times here, dont mess with EVO's or WRX STI's....we're no competition for them

 

Most magazines I believe got low 5's 0 to 60 and you are ONLY going to accomplish that by sidestepping the clucth from a standstill. You do that a few times and see how messed up your drivetrain will get and this is precisely WHY many people have had problems with the drivetrain.

Again I am almost positive the street start 5 to 60 times where close to 7 seconds which I bet is about the same for a 2004 TL.

I think if you look at the trap speeds between the posted figure you can see that the slowest Evo times are comparable to the fastes TL times and LOOK at the street start !!

C/D TEST RESULTS

2004 TL
ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph 2.2
40 mph 3.3
50 mph 4.4
60 mph 5.7
70 mph 7.6
80 mph 9.4
90 mph 11.9
100 mph 14.6
110 mph 17.8
120 mph 21.8
130 mph 28.6
Street start, 5-60 mph 6.3
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph 10.4
50-70 mph 10.3
Standing 1/4-mile 14.4 sec @ 99 mph
Top speed (governor limited) 152 mph

Evolution RS
Zero to 60 mph: 4.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: .13.2 sec
Zero to 130 mph: .28.3 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 6.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 13.5 sec @ 102 mph


SEE C&D street start figures are actually faster for the TL !!!

Ultimately the Evo would probably win 9 out of 10 times but it wouldnt be a massacre. In fact because the TL engine is much more tractable and less peaky it doesnt have to be driven perfectly to extract its potential where the Evo requires 100% precision to extract its full potential.

 

ROFLMAO, BJ! The TL instantly changed my wife into a raving groupie for me. j/k

 

BOLTJAMES, you my friend have just explained the difference between men and little boys.


give me a TL anyday of the week, and keep your evo and gym shoe wearing groupie.

 

The EVO and STi are a real mans machines. The TL is what your wife makes you buy. :lol:

I think you're going to be hard pressed impressing most woman with a TL unless they are in highschool or if you're buying her one. :lol: :lol:

 

The Viper and the Vette are man's machines. The Japanese super-sedans are man and teenager machines. But that I mean that they deliver without necessarily having the body strength and driving experience needed to make effective use of the power they offer.

The comparison to the TL, is, of course, silly. Unless they stall, the Evo or the sTi will own a TL. And even if by some weird happenstance of nature, one were able to take them off the line, they will go through the first corner as if on rails, as the TL heads off into the weeds if the driver stays on the throttle.

I drove both the sTi and the Evo while I was shopping for a sports car.

I like the Subie a lot, other than the Swiss Army Knife look - subies are built well, while Mitsu's of my experience are not. I ended up with the S2000, as I did not need to compromise (4 doors vs. 2, day to day driveability vs much less so) - the TL fits the people hauling, luxo, and reasonable in the snow duties. The S2000 is a handler, a looker, and has damn good power to boot. Plus assembly quality to die for.

 

Sorry, but no 30 year old executive trying to climb the corporate ladder would be caught dead in an EVO or an STi. Those are kiddie cars for those who can't afford a 325 or a Boxter with daddy's money.

The TL is a luxury car designed for a 40 year old dad. In that regard, it excells from a performance, value, and comfort standpoint.

BJ

 

I see plenty of 30 year olds fitting that description driving STi's. Also, what kid would rather have a slow ass 325?

And it's spelled Boxster, BTW.

 

I don't - never seen one that i can recall. Just look at the demographics and the sales figures for the 3-series, for example, and the case is closed.

Both the EVO and the sTi have that boy racer look, with ridiculous apendages hither and yon, where the mfr is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. It works mechanically, but not aesthetically. That turns off all but the diehards IMO.

And spelling does not count much here - his was obviously a typo. Let's not be petty. It is sTi, isn't it?

 

OK, well I see plenty in NY, and that's where both the BJ and I are from. So while the majority of STi and EVO owners are kids, there are still plenty of old people driving them. I actually saw grandpa driving a WRX, but that's not really the same.

Yes, they both have the boy racer look with the shopping cart-handle spoilers on the back. They are very popular around here and maybe the entry level executive thirty-somethings around here with 3 series BMWs were tired of having their asses handed to them by teenagers in STis & EVOs.

BJ deserves to has his spelling corrected no matter how petty. And no, it's not sTi.

 

If the race is from a roll it might be close up until triple digit speeds where the EVO would murder you.

From a stop, the EVO must be launched at about 5-6k rpms to achieve the kind of numbers you read in the magazines. I've seen numerous EVOs at the track run mid 15s and mid 14s because they weren't launched properly and/or shifted properly.

It is much easier to launch a TL, espeically an automatic.

And it is always a driver's race. You never beat the car, you always beat the driver...

 

Last August at Summit Point, I passed a black EVO once in two of the four session with my totally stock 6speed TL.

 

I don't know about the Evo, but I heard the WRX/Sti was geared for acceleration and lower speeds. I remember on the G35 boards, someone there has an Sti. He said from 0-60 the Sti was hands down faster, but once they went passed 110mph, the G35 caught up and walked it. And 120+, the G35 owned it. I'm thinking the Evo is geared similarly.

 

2 things bub
1. There is a 50% chance Altezzas were retrofitted to the TL so she can't tell the difference.
2. I hope there are no Benzs, BMWs and Lexus in the parkin lot.
3. THen again, EVO and ACURA=credit union
Benz, BMW, Lexus=Citibank, Wachovia etc

 

You WILL NOT beat the EVO.

Story endeth.

 

I have an EVO and have driven a 2004 TL and completely disagree. This is asuming the Evo is stock of course. From a roll or puching it at highway speeds the Evo would barely win 9 out of 10 times.

From a start unless you are dropping the clucth at 6k rpm the Evo will have a small advantage.

What basis are you making this claim ?

 

Moderators please note:

I am not getting sucked into another thread hijacking from ClubLexusMan. That said, the Big 2 are Mercedes and BMW and there is no Big 3.

BJ

 

The EVO is no joke. They are our rival. They and STi's has the advantage; AWD.
I say The best way to achieve this goal in my opinion is: Intake, Catback exhaust, NO OEM TIRES!!!( no grip, SPIN!!) Drag Radial tires, 75-shot (safe), spark plug changes for your benefit. You should be able to beat the Evo but STi, try 100-shot. But the people of the forum is right, a car can't win if it not a good driver.

 

I fail to see how a couple of hyper hopped-up econoboxes with huge wings and hood scoops are a rival of the TL. They are utterly different cars. If you really want a car like that, then just buy one. You can't make an sow's ear out of a silk purse!

Mike

 

Interesting stuff. I don't think if you are a TL driver you need to be racing sport cars. Be happy with the lux, performance, style and etc.

 

The numbers support you, michael. The power/weight ratios aren't that far off. Sure, the AWD will slaughter a TL from the line if launched properly, but from a roll, it just isn't plausible that an EVO is going to pull very hard at all. It weighs between 3,175 and 3,321#'s, with the same hp at the crank as a TL. So, you have the same hp, with somewhere between a 130 - 250# advantage. That's not huge. Reminds me of the old Cyclone back in the early '90's. They'd hit a 13.0 1/4 mile, at 101mph. Sure, they destroyed a lot of cars in the 1/4, but if you ever ran one on the go, they weren't nearly as scary having lost their advantage.

 

Like I said I OWN an Evo and have driven a 2004 TL ... I can honestly tell you that driving both cars at 9/10th the Evo is only SLIGHTLY quicker.

 

You are a 21 year old kid and you mean well but you are completely misinformed.

The EVO and STi are souped up economy cars with huge engines, fat tires, and tight suspensions. They are manufactured in an attempt to get another $5k to $10k of daddy's pocket for 20 somethings who like to drive fast. Hood scoops? Trunk wings? Only a teenager would want one when he gets a bit older. Nothing wrong with that.

The TL is a luxury car designed for 40 year old dads who want a little zippy performance mixed in with their comfort features. You get a beautiful and tasteful body, lots of tech toys, plush leather, so why not a little HP and handling too.

Two people are flying on the same plane to the same destination at the same time. One is 20 years old and he's flying in coach. The other is 40 and he's flying in business class. They're both going fast and they're both flying for the same purpose. The difference is in how they're flying and why they spent the extra bucks.

BJ

 

So.... what would you call Acuras? I would call them souped up versions of an economy car. (Honda)

 

If you are calling the Evo a souped up economy car you obviously have not driven one.
Its like me saying the TL is a fancy Accord so those statements don't hold any water.

Not many people I know who are 20 yrs old can afford a $30K car and most people who own the car are NOT 20 yrs old.

What about somebody who is in their 30's ? I am not supposed to drive a TL or an Evo ?

I sold my Honda S2000 for the Evo because I needed something allot larger but did'nt want to give up any performance. I wanted something performance wise on par with my friends $85k 2003 911 C4S which I clearly can't afford.

 

And you deserve to HAVE your spelling (and grammar) corrected as well.