TL Type-S Vs. Chevy Cobalt SS???
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TL Type-S Vs. Chevy Cobalt SS???
I've seen quite a few of these new Cobalt SS's on the road lately... I'm not sure who'd win, the numbers online seem to be pretty damned close. Who'd win on the street? I wouldn't mind being beaten by one, but I don't want to go up against one expecting otherwise.
Also, post other cars you've beaten, or lost to.
Also, post other cars you've beaten, or lost to.
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Originally Posted by TL83s
I've seen quite a few of these new Cobalt SS's on the road lately... I'm not sure who'd win, the numbers online seem to be pretty damned close. Who'd win on the street? I wouldn't mind being beaten by one, but I don't want to go up against one expecting otherwise.
Also, post other cars you've beaten, or lost to.
Also, post other cars you've beaten, or lost to.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
About 2900 lbs, 200 HP and about the same in torque...
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Originally Posted by CL Platano
I thought the Cobalt SS was slow as sh**...
peace.
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Originally Posted by VXCL
FI or not i cant see how a little I4 with some FI making almost 70 hp less and about the same less in tq pull on a tl-s on the highway.
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Correction to my above post, the Cobalt SS has more power to the wheels than a TL-S. And being 600+ lbs lighter it should have no problem pulling a TL-S. The below is probably a healthy example but shows a very strong and flat torque curve.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Hrmm, 600+ lbs less and not far off from making the same power to the ground and you can't see it?
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Originally Posted by VXCL
in that case then yes, but i was unaware that a stock cobalt ss could put over 200 down. going from that dyno thats about 5 less hp and 30 ft lbs shy of what my car puts down stock on average. thats nuts. the SRT-4 is supposed to be the fahsterest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanx for the numbers......For now w/ stock I will stick w/ racing non turbo/Supercharged cars....Why waste gas, especially when premium isn't too far from $3.00 a gallon. 
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Originally Posted by Minch00
Well, even if you lose, just remember this one thing: You've got heated mirrors, bitch. 
You could also acknowledge that the Cobalt SS has about $15k more in his (or her) pocket. That buys quite a few heated mirrors.
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217whp on stock cobalt,m I would have to be there to see what, chevy claims 205HP sotck at the crank, now why the hell would they understate the HP rating, so they can have lesser sales, I think those numbers as BS. Every mag I have read shows Cobalt 0-60 is 5.9-6.2. now if it were 217WHP and at 2900lb it'd be closer to 5.1 0-60.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
217whp on stock cobalt,m I would have to be there to see what, chevy claims 205HP sotck at the crank, now why the hell would they understate the HP rating, so they can have lesser sales, I think those numbers as BS. Every mag I have read shows Cobalt 0-60 is 5.9-6.2. now if it were 217WHP and at 2900lb it'd be closer to 5.1 0-60.
Mustang Cobra '03/04
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'98+ GM F-bodys with LS1
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
217whp on stock cobalt,m I would have to be there to see what, chevy claims 205HP sotck at the crank, now why the hell would they understate the HP rating, so they can have lesser sales, I think those numbers as BS. Every mag I have read shows Cobalt 0-60 is 5.9-6.2. now if it were 217WHP and at 2900lb it'd be closer to 5.1 0-60.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Lastly, it is very difficult for any FWD street car, on most likely all weather tires, to run a 5.1 0 - 60. My CL-S6 SC/IC made 369 WHP and it would have been hard for me to hit that number.
Just ask the SRT-4 owners
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the question is if there is a lot left on the table? what kind of boost is it running stock? can a simple ecu tune sqeeze another 50/ 50 out of it without changing things like injectors, fuel pump, supercharger, etc.
scalbert you prob couldnt get on it full throttle until 3rd gear without lighting them up. thats sick. i think i saw one of your vids a while back.
scalbert you prob couldnt get on it full throttle until 3rd gear without lighting them up. thats sick. i think i saw one of your vids a while back.
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Hmmm... interesting... I didn't know the they had an SC version of the Cobalt (using the M62 blower). Light weight with a flat torque curve... Gonna have to watch out for these things 'cause I'm still stock
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Originally Posted by VXCL
the question is if there is a lot left on the table? what kind of boost is it running stock? can a simple ecu tune sqeeze another 50/ 50 out of it without changing things like injectors, fuel pump, supercharger, etc.
But what else can be done? Since the internal are stout you could swap pulleys and jam more boost in there. I am also sure a PCM re-lash will be available to support the elevated boost. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some end up putting down close to 300 WHP with some decent mods.
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Originally Posted by scalbert
I wouldn’t be surprised to see some end up putting down close to 300 WHP with some decent mods.
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Originally Posted by DownUnder
I believe it, there are a lot of cars out there that have been underrated i.e.
Mustang Cobra '03/04
Ford Lightning '01+
Ford GT
Dodge SRT-4
'98+ GM F-bodys with LS1
MB E55
Mustang Cobra '03/04
Ford Lightning '01+
Ford GT
Dodge SRT-4
'98+ GM F-bodys with LS1
MB E55
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Originally Posted by VXCL
colbalts are popping up everywhere! looks like ill be dumping $$$ into this engine faster then i thought. at least with srt4's its only like once a month sighting.
Originally Posted by bigman
But you only have to worry about the SS's. Those arent everywhere yet.
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From: Woodstock, GA
Originally Posted by SatinSilverTypS
they're still cavaliers to me. shitty quality cars. fast...yes, good...doubtful.
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Originally Posted by SatinSilverTypS
they're still cavaliers to me. shitty quality cars. fast...yes, good...doubtful. i'll stick with my TL
SSTS
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I agree, think the cobalt is a pretty decent car inside and out. The engine seems to have proven reliability considering the ecotec is in use by the european division with their turbo versions and now the cobalt with the supercharged version.
Compared to most imports at the same price range like the new civic si, the SS has 18" wheels, leather seats, more power all together, ...
Compared to most imports at the same price range like the new civic si, the SS has 18" wheels, leather seats, more power all together, ...
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a cobalt ss is a cheap date, it will make you happy when you slam on it at first, but after a while it'll fall apart or need a lot of work. sorry i still call BS on sotck cobalt SS's running 217WHP, shit maybe my 99 tl w/I/H and tomorrow thermoblok spacers will put down 240FWHP, hahahaha.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
a cobalt ss is a cheap date, it will make you happy when you slam on it at first, but after a while it'll fall apart or need a lot of work. sorry i still call BS on sotck cobalt SS's running 217WHP, shit maybe my 99 tl w/I/H and tomorrow thermoblok spacers will put down 240FWHP, hahahaha.
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i know it won't break 200 until i get Ur crank pulley, I was kidding, but maybe I have a factory freak was my point. still understating HP by that much is hard to believe and I do believe the ecotec is a much better engine than the piece of shit 2.4 L they were using in the cavaliers, no doubt the cobalt is a better car, but still can't keep up with others in it's class like, rsx-s, wrx, srt-4, the cobalt finished 4th in a 5 car comparo in C&D pretty much tied with it's Saturn twin the Ion Redline, they are the same car, so maybe Ion Redlines are putting down 217WHP stock, damn that is a lot of power for what you pay. still i find it hard to believe, I guess I would need to drive a cobalt SS or Ion Redline to see for myself.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
no doubt the cobalt is a better car, but still can't keep up with others in it's class like, rsx-s, wrx, srt-4, the cobalt finished 4th in a 5 car comparo in C&D pretty much tied with it's Saturn twin the Ion Redline,
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
i know it won't break 200 until i get Ur crank pulley, I was kidding, but maybe I have a factory freak was my point. still understating HP by that much is hard to believe and I do believe the ecotec is a much better engine than the piece of shit 2.4 L they were using in the cavaliers, no doubt the cobalt is a better car, but still can't keep up with others in it's class like, rsx-s, wrx, srt-4, the cobalt finished 4th in a 5 car comparo in C&D pretty much tied with it's Saturn twin the Ion Redline, they are the same car, so maybe Ion Redlines are putting down 217WHP stock, damn that is a lot of power for what you pay. still i find it hard to believe, I guess I would need to drive a cobalt SS or Ion Redline to see for myself.
Ohh, you might have a factory freak, nice. Too bad your factory freak of an engine @ the least of 27k msrp can't even compare to what a 20k sport compact of today offers as far as power and peformance...
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http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coup...ks/index1.html
Twist the key on the SRT4, and a sharp report from the unmuffled exhaust backs up the spec-sheet's assertion that this motor means business. The stats: 25 more horses, 50 pound-feet more halfshaft-wringing twist, and 38 fewer pounds to carry around relative to the Cobalt. The staff odds-makers handicapped the Dodge in the sprints and on the tight Streets of Willow course, where strong corner exits and more straight-line pull were expected to win the day.
Driving the cars up to the track did little to change that impression. The Chevy comes off as a bit less extroverted, quieter, and slicker than the Dodge. But the technology beneath that calm veneer is five years more advanced than the Neon platform. Its 60/40 weight distribution bests the Dodge's 64/36, and its smaller, lighter engine is quicker to rev, feeling almost Japanese (down to the light flywheel that demands more throttle at launch to prevent stalling).
Running an SRT4 at manufacturer specifications in GT4 might vindicate the oddsmakers' prognostication. But in real life, build variations and green engines (1450 miles old) can conspire to lower performance, as our test car's 6.0-second 0-to-60-mph sprint and 14.4-second 100.8-mph quarter-mile time suggest (our last two SRT4s were about a half-second quicker to both marks). Our Cobalt performed well within expected tolerances, returning a 6.1-second sprint to 60 mph and a 14.4-second, 99.3-mph quarter (within a tenth and one mph of our last test). GT4 players should note that to get this kind of performance out of one of the usual sport-compact suspects (see sidebar) requires aftermarket tuning that could easily bring the total tab to well above the $21,195 Dodge or $21,995 Chevy base stickers.
The SRT4's slim victory at the dragstrip was offset by the Cobalt's similarly slender margins in our handling tests: 0.1 second quicker around the figure-eight at an identical 0.69 g average (max lateral acceleration was also tied at 0.88 g), 0.2 second per lap on the Streets of Willow (see sidebar), 1.3 mph in the slalom, and five feet in braking from 60 mph.
Twist the key on the SRT4, and a sharp report from the unmuffled exhaust backs up the spec-sheet's assertion that this motor means business. The stats: 25 more horses, 50 pound-feet more halfshaft-wringing twist, and 38 fewer pounds to carry around relative to the Cobalt. The staff odds-makers handicapped the Dodge in the sprints and on the tight Streets of Willow course, where strong corner exits and more straight-line pull were expected to win the day.
Driving the cars up to the track did little to change that impression. The Chevy comes off as a bit less extroverted, quieter, and slicker than the Dodge. But the technology beneath that calm veneer is five years more advanced than the Neon platform. Its 60/40 weight distribution bests the Dodge's 64/36, and its smaller, lighter engine is quicker to rev, feeling almost Japanese (down to the light flywheel that demands more throttle at launch to prevent stalling).
Running an SRT4 at manufacturer specifications in GT4 might vindicate the oddsmakers' prognostication. But in real life, build variations and green engines (1450 miles old) can conspire to lower performance, as our test car's 6.0-second 0-to-60-mph sprint and 14.4-second 100.8-mph quarter-mile time suggest (our last two SRT4s were about a half-second quicker to both marks). Our Cobalt performed well within expected tolerances, returning a 6.1-second sprint to 60 mph and a 14.4-second, 99.3-mph quarter (within a tenth and one mph of our last test). GT4 players should note that to get this kind of performance out of one of the usual sport-compact suspects (see sidebar) requires aftermarket tuning that could easily bring the total tab to well above the $21,195 Dodge or $21,995 Chevy base stickers.
The SRT4's slim victory at the dragstrip was offset by the Cobalt's similarly slender margins in our handling tests: 0.1 second quicker around the figure-eight at an identical 0.69 g average (max lateral acceleration was also tied at 0.88 g), 0.2 second per lap on the Streets of Willow (see sidebar), 1.3 mph in the slalom, and five feet in braking from 60 mph.
In the real world, however, the Chevy takes a narrow but decisive lead, even when considered against quicker SRT4s. Its robust body structure, superior tires, more balanced chassis, and sleeker looks make it a far more satisfying car to own and operate in the real three-dimensional world.
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damn man you must own a cobalt or ion redline, you don't need to be getting bitchy. I don't have time to go out and test drive every car, especially ones I would never buy. sorry GM has a long way to go before I trust their products and that goes for every domestic manufacturer, that's why I bought an Acura and was extremely careful which year and model I bought. I want a car that will last a long time. I don't take all of my opinions out of mags or rags as you call them, hahaha that's not even funny. have you ever taken an opinion on a vehicle before driving it, damn if you haven't you are the first person in the world that hasn't. everyone does if they want to believe it or not. so go hate somewhere else and drive your 20k GM coblat into the ground quick!
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also what is a better platform to modify? a cobalt/redline or rsx-s? hands down rsx-s you can turn those suckers into boosted beasts that would scream past a WOT cobalt/redline. if i was single and wants a coupe i'd get the rsx-s for 24k.
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How the hell do you know how far GM needs to come if you aren't driving their cars?
Thats exactly the reason why Japanese manufactueres have an overrated perception of quality. Haha. I have some bose audio to sell ya, cause you obviously see brands rather than the product you're actually buying.
Thats exactly the reason why Japanese manufactueres have an overrated perception of quality. Haha. I have some bose audio to sell ya, cause you obviously see brands rather than the product you're actually buying.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
also what is a better platform to modify? a cobalt/redline or rsx-s? hands down rsx-s you can turn those suckers into boosted beasts that would scream past a WOT cobalt/redline. if i was single and wants a coupe i'd get the rsx-s for 24k.
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Originally Posted by sbuswell
also what is a better platform to modify? a cobalt/redline or rsx-s? hands down rsx-s you can turn those suckers into boosted beasts that would scream past a WOT cobalt/redline. if i was single and wants a coupe i'd get the rsx-s for 24k.