TL feels so sluggish, loose, and full of margins!!!
01-13-2013, 05:51 PM
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TL feels so sluggish, loose, and full of margins!!!
well ,, compared to a go kart, that is 
I went to DC for 3 days to show couple friends around how awesome USA is. And while they were walking till their feet fell off, i was enjoying some karting for the 2 free afternoons i had.
Located right off of Dulles town center mall(? i think?)
it's really important for me to have food nearby cuz i eat like a hog when i drive fast(or,, should i say, when i try to) and the food court is awesome lol!
$120 for 10 8min race wasn't bad at all, considering all karts felt relatively same, and felt fresh.
(and i ran 24.618, it's gnawing at me i didn't beat 23.8 which is the qualifying time to drive one of the faster karts)
I think i'm gonna stop thinking of doing "performance modifications" on a TL, and just feed my piggy till i can afford an Elise. (and take out that ugly toyota engine and put a honda in it)
TL is just a cool looking family hauler
sports sedan my ass.
so who loves go kart? xD i found a great place near me,, in north carolina.
I'm planning to drive by DC in mid to late Feb.. yes for that go kart thingy. I still have a few unused races on my membership.
I went to DC for 3 days to show couple friends around how awesome USA is. And while they were walking till their feet fell off, i was enjoying some karting for the 2 free afternoons i had.
Located right off of Dulles town center mall(? i think?)
it's really important for me to have food nearby cuz i eat like a hog when i drive fast(or,, should i say, when i try to) and the food court is awesome lol!
$120 for 10 8min race wasn't bad at all, considering all karts felt relatively same, and felt fresh.
(and i ran 24.618, it's gnawing at me i didn't beat 23.8 which is the qualifying time to drive one of the faster karts)
I think i'm gonna stop thinking of doing "performance modifications" on a TL, and just feed my piggy till i can afford an Elise. (and take out that ugly toyota engine and put a honda in it)
TL is just a cool looking family hauler
sports sedan my ass.so who loves go kart? xD i found a great place near me,, in north carolina.
I'm planning to drive by DC in mid to late Feb.. yes for that go kart thingy. I still have a few unused races on my membership.
01-13-2013, 07:56 PM
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01-13-2013, 09:57 PM
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I got a taste of real karts over in Greece and it changes everything you thought was fast. These were shifter karts, 4 wheel disks, I think they were 250cc 2-strokes but all I remember for sure is they were 2-strokes. I've been in quicker cars obviously, it's hard to judge what they would run in a 1/4 mile because the experience is so much more brutal and you're a couple inches off the ground but they would go deep in the 12s if not quicker.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
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01-13-2013, 11:24 PM
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01-14-2013, 04:43 AM
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I got a taste of real karts over in Greece and it changes everything you thought was fast. These were shifter karts, 4 wheel disks, I think they were 250cc 2-strokes but all I remember for sure is they were 2-strokes. I've been in quicker cars obviously, it's hard to judge what they would run in a 1/4 mile because the experience is so much more brutal and you're a couple inches off the ground but they would go deep in the 12s if not quicker.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
jk.
it was nothing special. one of those rental karts made by sodi which is better than amusement park karts and high quality, but still a rental :P check out their website.
and 6.5hp honda motor running on (probably) regular gas, judging from the smell of the exhaust, was in mint condition.
didn't have much problem because i was on throttle all the time and pretty much @ full, except the one corner after the main straight.
the track was really small and tight.
but wtf was wrong with the slippery looking polished concrete floor?! i was expecting asphalt floor which makes my back and neck all dirty...
i am far too slow to handle even 20 hp, not to mention shifter or front brake karts.
anyway last year, 28hp 2 stroke wet clutch rear brake kart scared the crap out of me, and made the back of my neck covered with tire powders, oh gotta love the power band tho.
it was a tiny little rotax 125 on birel chassis. i burnt my elbow on the engine couple times lol
lucky you! if i was ever qualified enough to try those miniature F1 cars, i would love to. but until then i'm gonna keep practicing "4 wheel drift" ahhh the fun of steering with chassis :P not a chance in TL.
hey good job in smoking the rude european. you probably shrunk his peni$ to the point where it looks like there's an empty cavity
I hate it when they start "american = straight"
*cough* 4 girls *cough* now i know why pro races have racing models
01-14-2013, 07:56 AM
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OP, you need to hit me up. I race in an indoor league near Charlotte... likely similar to what you did. However, this track is one of the most technical indoor tracks in the country. They also have about 7 of the top 20 nationally ranked drivers based out of this track... so very challenging. Of course they offer walk-in races like what you did in DC.
I also race outdoor karts and have a couple of those available for rent (currently have one 2-stroke, and building out two 4-strokes). Below is my garage before I just picked up my new one at the end of December. BTW, the new one is 36.5 HP (the one I raced last year, the #10 Birel, was ~17 hp... so moving up in the world)
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01-14-2013, 08:06 AM
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^ JB, that is soooooo cool. Also love the stands.
How much does one weight ~200lb?
A old colleague used to race up north of DC near Frederick, MD there's a couple tracks.
How much does one weight ~200lb?
A old colleague used to race up north of DC near Frederick, MD there's a couple tracks.
01-14-2013, 08:51 AM
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The TL will decimate all, after you put about 15 grand in it or more. If you have to, overnight parts from Japan 
01-14-2013, 09:30 AM
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^ didn't know Japanese had access to UFO alloys lol
01-14-2013, 10:14 AM
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4 girls 4 girls 4 girls 4 girls 4 girls 4 girls 4 girls 4 girls
jk.
it was nothing special. one of those rental karts made by sodi which is better than amusement park karts and high quality, but still a rental :P check out their website.
and 6.5hp honda motor running on (probably) regular gas, judging from the smell of the exhaust, was in mint condition.
didn't have much problem because i was on throttle all the time and pretty much @ full, except the one corner after the main straight.
the track was really small and tight.
but wtf was wrong with the slippery looking polished concrete floor?! i was expecting asphalt floor which makes my back and neck all dirty...
i am far too slow to handle even 20 hp, not to mention shifter or front brake karts.
anyway last year, 28hp 2 stroke wet clutch rear brake kart scared the crap out of me, and made the back of my neck covered with tire powders, oh gotta love the power band tho.
it was a tiny little rotax 125 on birel chassis. i burnt my elbow on the engine couple times lol
lucky you! if i was ever qualified enough to try those miniature F1 cars, i would love to. but until then i'm gonna keep practicing "4 wheel drift" ahhh the fun of steering with chassis :P not a chance in TL.
hey good job in smoking the rude european. you probably shrunk his peni$ to the point where it looks like there's an empty cavity
I hate it when they start "american = straight"
*cough* 4 girls *cough* now i know why pro races have racing models
jk.
it was nothing special. one of those rental karts made by sodi which is better than amusement park karts and high quality, but still a rental :P check out their website.
and 6.5hp honda motor running on (probably) regular gas, judging from the smell of the exhaust, was in mint condition.
didn't have much problem because i was on throttle all the time and pretty much @ full, except the one corner after the main straight.
the track was really small and tight.
but wtf was wrong with the slippery looking polished concrete floor?! i was expecting asphalt floor which makes my back and neck all dirty...
i am far too slow to handle even 20 hp, not to mention shifter or front brake karts.
anyway last year, 28hp 2 stroke wet clutch rear brake kart scared the crap out of me, and made the back of my neck covered with tire powders, oh gotta love the power band tho.
it was a tiny little rotax 125 on birel chassis. i burnt my elbow on the engine couple times lol
lucky you! if i was ever qualified enough to try those miniature F1 cars, i would love to. but until then i'm gonna keep practicing "4 wheel drift" ahhh the fun of steering with chassis :P not a chance in TL.
hey good job in smoking the rude european. you probably shrunk his peni$ to the point where it looks like there's an empty cavity
I hate it when they start "american = straight"
*cough* 4 girls *cough* now i know why pro races have racing models
01-14-2013, 10:21 AM
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Trust me, I've been married to an "Elise." It is better to just keep feeding your "Piggy" than get involved with an "Elise." They are high maintenance, run on alcohol most of the time, and will drive away with the first guy with more money who jumps in their seat.
01-14-2013, 10:25 AM
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God bless IHC
01-14-2013, 10:38 AM
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01-14-2013, 10:43 AM
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01-15-2013, 09:11 AM
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I got a taste of real karts over in Greece and it changes everything you thought was fast. These were shifter karts, 4 wheel disks, I think they were 250cc 2-strokes but all I remember for sure is they were 2-strokes. I've been in quicker cars obviously, it's hard to judge what they would run in a 1/4 mile because the experience is so much more brutal and you're a couple inches off the ground but they would go deep in the 12s if not quicker.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
It was the handling and braking that was so unreal. Steering lock was reached in less than half a turn in either direction. It took me a few laps to get the braking points even somewhat close. They stop so quick you can feel the skin on you face being stretched. Every bit of your self preservation instinct says to lift and brake but you have to force yourself to continue past what common sense says is the point of no return. After I began getting braking points in the ballpark I got more and more daring, trailbraking into its insane cornering limits. Without the neck brace and probably without the weight of the helmet there's no way you could keep your head up. A couple times I got loose entering a corner and the super quick steering ratio was the only thing that saved me. Basically if the rear end twitches in a corner plan on going full steering lock. You can drift these bastards but everything happens much quicker than in a car, they get sideways much quicker and straighten up much quicker even under throttle.
I was with 4 girls, one being my ex who had been there a couple years before. They kept wanting to go to the go karts and I didn't want to because I thought they were normal go karts. I procrastinated for over a month before going. If I had known about them prior I probably wouldn't have done anything else. I ended up pissing off the local guy with the quickest time who also worked there. He was making fun of me and Americans that cant drive to show off for the girls. After about 15 learning laps we lined them up half a track apart and in 20 laps I caught him. I think the max speed I hit on that track was 120kmh but that feels like 200mph when you're a couple inches from the ground.
It makes even a good handling car feel like a sled. I wish there was a place like that around here where you could race karts like that for fun but it looks like you'll have to buy your own if you want the experience and I'm not about to get out on a track full of them.
To the OP, what kind of karts were you driving? I wish I knew the specs like acceleration or cornering g force or braking distances. I'll guarantee cornering Gs were in excess of 2g.
Their site says they use modified sodikart gt4's http://www.sodikart.com/en/kart-gt-4.html
allsport was ok, imo a little overpriced. It is cool how they keep track of everybody's race and lap times though.
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01-15-2013, 09:55 AM
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OP probably went to allsport http://www.allsportsgp.com/
Their site says they use modified sodikart gt4's http://www.sodikart.com/en/kart-gt-4.html
allsport was ok, imo a little overpriced. It is cool how they keep track of everybody's race and lap times though.
Their site says they use modified sodikart gt4's http://www.sodikart.com/en/kart-gt-4.html
allsport was ok, imo a little overpriced. It is cool how they keep track of everybody's race and lap times though.
Then again, it's all about the margins...
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I did from '94 (the summer between junior and senior year) to December of '05 when I bought the TL. I even commuted 210 miles round trip for almost 6 months at it's current hp level. It seemed like such an old car back then but my TL is approaching the same age lol.
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