Yea, we must be talking about 2 different things. You cant possibly be comparing Ferrari quality to Hyundai.

So, man up and put one in your driveway. Support the company and they will be as successful as you so want them to be.

 

I really don't understand where you are coming from. Who says you have to buy a product to recognize that it is a great product? It's not hypocritical at all.

If I had to own it to say it is great, then I would either own half the world, or be totally negative about everything.

 

There are more ways than one to help make a company successful.

And like I said, I just don't have the intention of selling my TL right now. But when the time comes, the Genesis Coupe will be taken under serious consideration.

 

maybe it is silly. or maybe i'm just biased and do want them to succeed.

that there are many other proven options out there. but i don't think it's fair to say that nobody has a desire to own one because as i said earlier...i, for one, would definitely consider the genesis if i'm in the market for a bigger car.

however, i'm more concerned that the prices will no longer be considered "marked down" by the time i'm ready for a larger car.

but you also have to realize that it took the accord (honda) awhile to develop the reputation and reliability it has now or had 10 years ago. the accords, camrys, corollas, etc had to be given time to develop a sense of reliability.

can the sonata do that to be a long-term competitor vs. the accord and camry? we'll see.

 

I don't really care if they succeed or not...but they will succeed given their history and current strategies. It doesn't take a genius to realize this.

And I can appreciate/see the value in plenty of things I don't own. It's called giving credit where credit's due. Hyundai's earned some, plain and simple, and will most likely continue to earn more.

 

It was a TRAP!!

joerockt, take a little time to look into the new Hyundai.
They're not that bad... I promise..

 

Exactly. You have a forum filled with auto enthusiasts who are looking at Hyundai as the next big thing. That says a lot about the company.

Perfect time for Hyundai to step up to the plate as the quality of Hondas and Toyotas are slipping.

I never once thought about owning a Hyundai till i saw this car. That alone will bring me into the dealer to check it out.

How does the current Hyundai models rank in Consumer reports or JD powers?

 

I just got my TL-S a few months ago, but thanks anyway.

 

Lets see if I can put together an analogy you can understand. You're in the market for a portable MP3 player. Since the Zunes came out, you've be saying how great they are and how they will take over iPods in the future. When the time comes to buy, you purchase an iPod. Why did you purchase the iPod and what was all that crap about the Zune you were saying all that time? This is exactly what you're saying in this thread, even though you haven't actually bought anything yet.

PA, I'll make you a bet. If the next car you purchase is a Hyundai, I'll paypal you $20. Of course I'll need irrefutable proof, but you're defense of this company would certainly be justified then...So prove me wrong.

 

WTF.com? Seriously man, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

those definitly look like the 03-04 accord lights on a 2006 sonata.

 

the fact he doesn't own one now doesn't mean he never will. he even stated that he would definitely considering purchasing the genesis coupe if and when the time is right to sell his TL

 

If the Sonata would have had a Navi system and the current model's upgraded interior, I would have purchased one instead of my AV6 a year ago. (Honda dealers practically giving away 07 Accord helped BIGTIME in steering me to purchase an Accord.) ...and Hyundai's other benefits are fairly impressive as well:

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As for accussations of Hyundai being style copycats: Lexus has been doing this since day one and it has not exactly hurt their cause much. It VERY effectively borrows external styling cues from the MB S-class, G35 and Lexus LS. Coupled with a great looking interior, Hyundai clearly intends to aim this car at the premium sedan segment (i.e.: Lexus GS, Infiniti M, Acura RL). My guess is that the market will receive the car well with the exception of committed brand whores.

 

Goddamit that's just a completely bullshit analogy.

Hyundai did not make a car in the same class that he was shopping in ... How hard is it to understand? If you're going to question someone's credibility, you might want to spend a moment on yourself.

 

really, i dont see anything on honda's line that was copied off course, the accord,civic,cr-v,element,pilot,odyssey arent original cars.

i dont see what nissan copied off beside's their own car *cough*g35 08 altima coupe.

i dont see what toyota copied the camry's design is original, ugly but original.

have any of your friends owned hyundai's? because alot of my friends had tiburons that we're pos's and they were from the first gen to the second gen (not too long ago) the windshield slightly curved alot of things you saw, they were rattle boxes.
im not gonna lie, my boss just bought a new santa fe i was impressed with it. but i would never pay $27k for that suv.
hyundai is no different than Saturn, they've had a bad rep in the past and now they're changing. but i would NEVER consider them with the top of the line cars.

 

^ Maybe they're not trying to be compared with the top of the line cars although what they offer is purely comparable as in technology. The badge on that grill is what keeps people talking... They're trying to offer you what you would get in one of those for a fraction of the price. To be quite honest with you, I can't wait to see the new Genesis and it could be the replacement for my 335i coupe in the near future.

 

People said the same thing about Lexus in 1989. Then reviews of the LS400 started coming in and people could get a car almost as good as an S-Class for like 40% the price and it's all history from there.

I really hope the Genesis does well and that trickles down to the Azera. I liked it when I rode in it but again, I don't want a sedan right now. If I do, the Azera is about as big as I'd want to go living in DC.

 

are you serious? acura might not be a "true" luxury car, but the Infiniti is recognized as a true luxury *suv* the g35 might not be luxury status but the QX56 is a true luxury suv. and you're crazy if you think lexus isn't a true luxury car, you can ask anyone if lexus is a luxury car and i guess you would be surprized at the answer you get. the SC/GS/LS is luxury, if you don't think so then why don't you ask someone who is rich like anyone in hollywood or even the CEO of a $5 billion corporation Hershey. He drives a GS460, i don't think he drives it for the great gas mileage on his V8.

 

i don't know to think Jag or Benz E-class ghetto ass cousin.

 

Dude he's not saying they're not true luxury cars. He's telling you that Lexus were perceived just like Hyundai is being looked at currently.

 

You really dont see BMW designs in any of those? How about the 7series trunk lines that the industry hated at first? Yet the Camry has the same design as well as others.

Even the Accord at certain angles has designs styles from the 5series. Yet i dont see any of that hurting their sales.

Personally, I wouldnt mind driving a car that looked like higher end models. Make a $25k look like a 100k R8 and ill be happy as shit.

 

they compared themselves to a 7-series, thats about as high as you go with sedans besides the ultra-luxury sedans.

 

You're a 19-year-old with an Acura on an Internet forum. It's okay. I was probably like you at one time.

Except I gave credit where credit was due. That's alright if you think Hyundai is still a shitty company. JD Power disagrees with you, and so the hundreds of thousands of consumers who help Hyundai make record sales year after year.

Obviously you didn't read anything I posted. I used the Camry as one main example of the market trend, and yet you used the same car to counterpoint my argument. Original, my ass. The trunk line is a carbon copy off the BMW 7-series.

Yes, I know MANY people with Hyundais. Trust me when I say I know more people with Hyundais than you do. So statistically speaking, I'm in a better position to speak about indirect experience than you are. Not to mention your indirect experience seems to be limited to the Tiburon, whereas mine is across the line-up. They are impressed and happy with their purchase. The Tiburon, unfortunately, is based on a dated chassis with an old engine. You might as well use the Pony as an example to claim why Hyundai of today sucks.

Your posts in this thread just prove that you don't really know anything about the auto industry. Your picture illustrations of how the Sonata copied off the Accord (I proved you wrong, but you conveniently didn't bring it up in your counterpoint), your comment on advertising, and now this post all prove to me that you only know what you read in Sport Compact Car.

Btw, when did I, or Hyundai for that matter, ever claim that it was a top of the line marque? Hyundai makes no secrets about their target demographics. Hyundai aims for the informed, value and safety-conscious buyers. They don't try to lure buyers away from BMW and Mercedes, or claim to be top of the line.

 

Some of you need to realize that we're allowed to like a car but prefer something else over it.

 

wait how does this
look like this?

i don't see the E60 anywhere in the accord, can i borrow your glasses?

 

You can either send $20 to me now or pay me later with interest, inflation-adjusted.

Btw, your analogy is horrible. Obviously others agree with me on this. In the end, the consumer can buy whatever they want, whatever their motive may be. To use your example, I may very well think that the Zune is the next big thing. But I might just like the looks of the iPod better and go for that instead. Maybe the Zune is out of my price range. Maybe the iPod had a special going on. Maybe somebody gave me an iPod as a gift. Who the hell knows?

 

Just drop it, dude. You're an idiot. Come back when you actually have a clue.

 

yes they did compare the genesis with the 7-series. but they were doing so in relative to the size of the car.

wasn't the ad: the size of a 7-series and the price of the 3-series. or something like that?

i don't believe it's hyundai's intention to market the car as a 7-series fighter ala the S-class, LS, etc.

 

To me, it looks like Hyundai is going to do what Toyota of Japan was doing until they sold Lexus here: Sell everything from econobox to Luxo-barge.

Lexus in Japan is only a year old. Only 2 years ago, they sold the IS as a Toyota Altezza, the LS as the Celsior, the LX as a Harrier (I could keep going), and you got the car without the marque'. Hyundai is going from Tiburon to Santa Fe, to Sonata, to the Genesis. TRying to capture a bit of the Toyota/Honda market share.

I think Hyundai will have a winner, backed by a warranty that shames most other vehicles on the road. Do you remember when Honda introduced a car called the CVCC? If not then you may not understand this whole thread.

 

with the hyundai and toyotal comparison.

and wasn't there an interview awhile back of a toyota exec, who said he's not intimidated or afraid of nissan or honda but hyundai?

 

 

Greedy bastard...

 

Although it may be fitting, let us keep the name calling to a minimum (read: zero).

AznX TL, having spent some time driving the E60 (530i, 545i and 550i) the current generation Accord was C L E A R L Y inspired in design by the BMW E60....inside and out....with a little 2G G35 sedan thrown into the exterior mix.

 

theres no need to be discriminatory towards age, age is no factor in FACTS. JD power gave them credit in 04 for quality in a customer survey. no, i know people with other hyundai's (elantra gt hatch and sedans mostly) and a few that have purchased the newer hyundai's. this car is over hyped, like the saturn Aura was when the concept came out and everyone thought it was going to compete with the Accord,camry,ford fusion. look at it now, i havent seen a single one on the road yet. i don't know why sport car compact would have sedans in it though

 

thanks for the great comeback, and you talk about me being young

 

Apologies. His claim that he couldn't see the similarity between the Camry and the 7-series in the trunk design was the last straw.

 

i see lots of auras on the road in houston.

and +1 for the new accord and 5-series similarities.

 

You're not very bright are you? A little investigative digging might have uncovered something.

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LOL - and I was going to ask him later on how we got the opportunity to drive an early test model of the Genesis. Guess that answers it.

 

yeah they're the same size, but the front bumper, the side bodylines, the only thing i see similar is the top part of the car.