JediMindTricks

1. when i bought my acura 3 years ago, there wasn't a hyundai that i was interested in. in fact, there weren't any other japanese cars that i was interested in buying except the maxima and accord coupe.

but the hyundais 3 years ago were different and older designs.

2. even if the genesis was released 3 years ago, i wouldn't have been able to afford it. it's around, what, 40k? the max i was willing to spend was 30k.

if the genesis coupe was available, yes, i definitely would have considered buying one.

whenever i'm in the market for a new car and IF i'm wanting to move into a larger car, then i would definitely consider the genesis.

joerockt

Really? What was wrong with the Sonata? I mean, its such a great car and a great car company, why didnt you buy it? Could have saved a lot of money over the TSX.

So I see what's happening here. Hyundai makes great cars and is a great car company, its just that I wouldn't buy any of them. k...interesting...

Tripp11

+1

This summer, we're in the market for a 5-series/E-class sized sedan and if this is available, we'll definitely take a look at it - and I NEVER thought I would say that about a Hyundai.

Debadge this car and drive it down any street and I'm betting most people would think it was a Lexus/Infiniti.

charliemike

You got your dates wrong. Everyone that saw the Sonata when it came out in 05 said it was what Honda SHOULD have done. Then the next year Honda did it.

charliemike

You really should. I saw one at the D.C. car show and man I was stunned at how good it looked. I'm talking body panel seams, interior, everything.

It was in my top 3 of the show (Audi R8 and S5 being the other two).

Bleser

They were older designs that he didn't like... plainly stated. The genesis is completely new and has an awesome design which is why it is getting so much attention. That's the whole point of this thread - the new Genesis - not a three year old Sonata.

TommySalami

They're good for the money, but lack that extra bit that makes the big difference between economy and true luxury

JediMindTricks

i don't believe the current sonata was available in jan. 2005.

even if it was, yes, i could have saved a lot of money instead of the TSX.

but the TSX offered more of what i was looking for in terms of size, luxury, and navi.

i see where you're getting at, but it's not really so cut and dry.

i never said hyundai makes great cars. i wouldn't have bought any of the models in 2005 because frankly, i didn't like any of the models' designs back then. all of the "nicer" looking models in hyundai's lineup came after 2005.

however, like i said, IF i was in the market now for a bigger car and had more money to spend, yes i would strongly consider the genesis or the genesis coupe (if i wanted a 2 door).

still interesting?

JediMindTricks

evilone

I know hyundai has begun to make very reliable cars, at affordable prices. They also have a touch of class in their higher end models. Shit I see people in them al the time. So the must be doing something right. Here is amercia we are to concerned about how others perceive us. The car we drive tends to be a status symble of "where you are in life". Shit if they made a car I truley liked, I would buy one. (If i was in the market for a car).

majin ssj eric

Wait until the new Genesis coupe comes out. 300 hp G37 fighter for $26k?! People are going to change their minds about Hyundai real quick.....

joerockt

Right, but people here keep harping about how great Hyundai is, yet none of them actually own one. Now why is that?

te3point5

Because on paper, these cars look great...

stright-(paint)balling

again how can you compare a Genesis to a G37, 335 or even a C350, TL-S.

You and I both know in that class the 3 class is damn hard to beat. If you can beat it.
yes i'll admit it is pricey. but it sets the bar. the 335 has been a run away hit. that twin turbo engine is little if any turbo lag. the 3 series is the #1. selling car in BMW's line up currently. why is that? cause they've mastered the 3 series.

charliemike

The only reason I don't own one is that I didn't want a mid-size sedan and the Tiburon was just completely inferior to the MS3.

I assure you that when I'm done paying on this car, I will be looking at a Genesis coupe. And if the Genesis looks as good as the sedan and offers a V8, I won't even consider a used S5/335i.

Pure Adrenaline

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Don't kid yourself. Everybody copies. It's called a trend.

Btw, the NF Sonata project (second picture) was initiated in 1998, just as the 6th generation Accord was being introduced. It started earlier than the 7th gen Accord project. So without your blatant bias and lack of knowledge, who should really get the credit?

Honda, Toyota and Nissan copied and still copy just like everybody else. Where do you think the trunk line of the Camry came from?

There are only very few companies that actually SET the trend; they are companies like BMW, Mercedes, etc. Even then, they are still susceptible to the market design trend.

Toyota and GM, two of the largest car companies in the world, officially acknowledge Hyundai as a threat. Do you know something that the GM and Toyota execs don't?

More on copying... where is Hyundai copying from? Can you name a Nissan, Toyota or Honda with a V8, RWD and 6-speed auto with self-leveling air suspension technology, adaptive cruise control, adaptive headlights, centralized infotainment system, etc? For around 30k at that? You would have to go to their luxury marques; with Honda/Acura you can't get one even with all the money in the world.

Hyundai Kia Motor Group is the SIXTH largest automotive group in the world. GM, Toyota, Ford, VW/Audi and now arguably Chrysler (since the split) are bigger. You are only seeing a tiny portion of HKMG's global operation, which is getting serious now.

Keep laughing, though. We'll see who's really laughing soon.

joerockt

^^^So what Hyundai's do you own?

charliemike

None of us have driven the Genesis sedan or coupe. We're all flapping our asscheeks ... Keep that in mind.

Tripp11

Sort of reminds me how I felt when I was shopping for a 3-series sized sedan back in 2004 - when I saw the interior of the 3GEN TL, I was floored. Acura NAILED the interior (and exterior) of that car in that price point, IMO.

Pure Adrenaline

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Advertise where you want to be, not where you are.

chill_dog

The TL was better than the Sonata when I bought it in May of 04 . And it still looks and handles better. But, most people out there don't care about looks as much as I, and they certainly don't drive like I do. Thus, the Sonata is a better choice for them over other midsize cars. The Genesis will prove the same in the large car segment. Not everybody needs to drive a name.

Additionally, I'd be willing to bet most people here are like me, and a "regular ol' car" won't cut it. If Hyundai had something out of the gate that had a sporty feel (as opposed to an every-man feel) and/or their cars had a lot of modding potential to make them sportier, I'm sure more people here would drive them.

Pure Adrenaline

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None.

charliemike

Not to mention it's obvious that if the comparison is a 300M, the guy doesn't know what this car is all about.

In terms people can understand, this Genesis sedan with the V8 is the modern LS400 from 1989. Mark it down.

Pure Adrenaline

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I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I've driven the Genesis sedan prototype. The exterior was still under development at the time, but the chassis and the interior, for all intents and purposes, were finished.

I drove one with a 3.3L V6. The driving dynamics were just fine, even for someone like me with a taste for stiff suspension and the desire to feel every bump and crevice on the road surface.

For God's sake, if you (in general) really think Hyundai is trying to lure buyers away from BMW and Mercedes, you're an idiot. It's strictly for the targeted demographics to instill confidence and positive image of the car they are considering. When it comes down to two or three cars you want, and one of them is being advertised in comparison to Land Rover, BMW and Mercedes, it's great advertising. At the least, it makes people look twice at Hyundai.

And the fact that even in the U.S. market in a slump, Hyundai's sales have steadily grown speaks for itself.

Tripp11

It also helps that it's the lowest price point BMW being sold as well, well until recently.

joerockt

How come? You just put up a huge post gloating about how great a company Hyundai is and what they will be, yet you don't even own one of their cars.

I'm just trying to find out what makes a Hyundai zealot tick. National pride? You owned one in the past that lasted a long time? All I'm seeing are people who are saying "HYUNDAI RULES!!! But personally, I wouldnt own one...

I think they have something going with the Genesis, but guaranteed there is a reason why a car like that, with all its features, can be made for that price. Unless of course Hyundai found a way to make quality materials magically lower in cost.

optiq

hey at least it doesnt look like this poor heap... looks like a jaguar that got gangbanged by a bentley and a crown vic

Pure Adrenaline

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Addendum to the other post --

None at the moment. But I will be one of the first people to test drive and, most likely, purchase the Genesis Coupe when it comes stateside.

I've had my TL since college. I have no intention of getting rid of it at the moment and my bosses are okay with that (this statement may make more sense if you know my situation like Derrick does).

So the fact that I don't currently own a Hyundai is completely irrelevant. I love Ferrari, but I don't have one. Does that mean I can't praise it? What about you? Surely you have a supercar you covet. Why do you love it and praise it if you don't have one?

Pure Adrenaline

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See above post.

JediMindTricks

i don't think anyone's saying that hyundai is a great car company. in fact, i don't think people here are even saying that hyundai's > honda/toyota/nissat/etc.

SRK85

Its a knock off of the S klasse.

JediMindTricks

Pure Adrenaline

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ROFLMAO

I will have to agree. It is pretty odd looking.

Just another example illustrating that a domestic market design doesn't always fare well in overseas markets.

Tripp11

From an unbiased reader, I felt Pure Adrenaline's post was informative and about the furthest thing from "gloating".

Gloating would be what you were posting in the NFL Playoffs thread about your Chargers.

joerockt

I don't think its irrelevant. Ferrari is a successful company, proven to make a quality product and have been for years and years. Hyundai isnt even close. Maybe in the future? Who knows. But like I said in my above post, a car like the Genesis at that price isnt cheap for no good reason.

JediMindTricks

see, i think there's a difference between "i don't own one" and "i wouldn't own one."

there are numerous reasons why you're not going to find many hyundai owners on this board. i already gave you mine: i just wasn't interested in any of the models when i was buying. if the genesis coupe was available 3 years ago, i could very well be a hyundai owner.

and who's saying that hyundai rules? i think what we're trying to say is that hyundai is no longer the box maker they have the reputation of being.

if they sold a car at $50,000, do you think people will even give them a shot? even acura is having problems selling a $50k car.

obviously, they're trying to get people in the door, continue to build up goodwill and faith in the brand so that in the future, they can make cars that are priced higher and consumers won't be turned away.

joerockt

I was WELL within my gloating rights

Tripp11

Beat OUR ass at OUR house when no one gave you guys a shot.

By the way, you should look up the definition of gloating...Pure Adrenaline's post does not equate to gloating.

Pure Adrenaline

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Says who? Hyundai's global operation is scales larger than that of Ferrari.

Just depends on the perspective. I'm not actually comparing Hyundai to Ferrari. But my point still stands; you don't have to own a product to give it recognition and credit.

We'll wait and see if your point proves to be true on the Genesis. But remember that Hyundai's strength lies with fast R&D time period and cost reduction. And also remember that I've already driven a Genesis and I was not disappointed at all. And I'm a picky bastard.

joerockt

I admit, I'm embellishing a bit, but to me it just seems silly to back a manufacture like Hyundai when we have so many other options out there with proven track records. It seems that many want this company to succeed, yet have no desire to own one themselves. Seems a bit hypocritical.


Yup, good point. Maybe the Genesis is that one car that puts them on the map? Its one thing they haven't been able to accomplish. They haven't made that Accord, Legend, Camry, Corolla, etc that proves to the world their a quality manufacture that can produce a car that lasts for decades. And until they do, they will always be considered an also-ran....