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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:21 PM
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The rise of the fake engine roar

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/the-rise...gine-roar.html

The rise of the fake engine roar



Anyone who's heard a Ferrari V-8 at full wail knows perfectly well that engines make music. But today, that vroom-vroom is getting harder to hear, thanks in equal parts to turbochargers that muffle the noise, increasingly insulated cabins, and government noise regulations.

Automakers are well aware that a snarly engine note enhances the behind-the-wheel experience—especially for sporty cars—and all sorts of devices have been used to let in this "good" noise. The Chevrolet Corvette's exhaust system has a valve that opens under full throttle and bypasses the muffler. The Porsche Cayman and the Ford Mustang both have "noise pipes" that connect the intake system to the cabin. These passive systems, however, are slowly being replaced with active systems that play a prerecorded track through speakers.

Case in point: Volkwagen's GTI used to have a noise pipe, but when the latest version appeared in 2011, the pipe was replaced with the Soundaktor. This system uses a hockey-puck-size speaker mounted on the firewall to generate extra noise. VW didn't exactly advertise the feature, and when word got out, the forums lit up.

"The Soundaktor is only there to lie to me," fumed one GTI owner on vwvortex.com when he found out his car has the system. "It's false advertising, plain and simple."

Andrew Wong is a 29-year-old engineer from Detroit. When he learned that his 2011 GTI had the Soundaktor, he simply removed it. Now he relies on an aftermarket exhaust system for better noise. "I want to hear the engine, rather than some version of the engine being played to me," he says.

VW is not alone. The new BMW M5, which ditched the sonorous V-10 for a twin-turbo V-8, plays an engine soundtrack through the car's audio system. From a carmaker's perspective, these active sound generators have definite benefits over a sound pipe: There's no need to cut a hole in the firewall or package a separate tube in the already crowded engine bay. Plus, the active devices allow a far greater degree of tunability and can be used to mask unwanted noise.

It remains to be seen just how far automakers will take these systems, but in the future, you may be able to toggle a switch that makes your Prius howl like it's got a V-8.
I've often wondered how enthousiasts feel about this new "technology". Thoughts?
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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I could have sworn, I just read this earlier on here.

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it was posted in the ILX sub-section

we all know how ttribe feels about the speakers!!
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by justnspace
I could have sworn, I just read this earlier on here.

*edit
it was posted in the ILX sub-section

we all know how ttribe feels about the speakers!!
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:30 PM
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I've always thought this idea, be it a "noise pipe" or now a speaker, is stupid. It's lame, right up there with those devices that make it sound like your car has a turbo.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:35 PM
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:48 PM
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Stupid, just like making the noise at the rear bumper louder.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:52 PM
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I don't have a huge problem with Porsche's solution on this, only because it's the actual engine of the car and it's just a low-tech addition of some plastic tubes from the engine compartment to the passenger compartment. The BMW "soundtrack" though...lame. That GTI whiz-bang thing, that's just terrible as well.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 12:55 PM
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Fuuucking German engineering!!!
"...plays an engine soundtrack through the car's audio system"

BMW=Break More Wind.

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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 02:08 PM
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I don't have a huge problem with Porsche's solution on this, only because it's the actual engine of the car and it's just a low-tech addition of some plastic tubes from the engine compartment to the passenger compartment. The BMW "soundtrack" though...lame. That GTI whiz-bang thing, that's just terrible as well.
I agree, like the Mustang GT using a tube from the intake, but even still it seems weird. What happened to actual factory engine tuning to get the same effects? Is there just that much sound deadening material in today's cars?
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
I agree, like the Mustang GT using a tube from the intake, but even still it seems weird. What happened to actual factory engine tuning to get the same effects? Is there just that much sound deadening material in today's cars?
Yep. That's the issue. You can't simultaneously get rid of road noise and keep the engine noise without some kind of workaround.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ttribe
I don't have a huge problem with Porsche's solution on this, only because it's the actual engine of the car and it's just a low-tech addition of some plastic tubes from the engine compartment to the passenger compartment. The BMW "soundtrack" though...lame. That GTI whiz-bang thing, that's just terrible as well.
Agreed. Engineering ways for actual sound to be heard in the cabin is one thing... but an active system is horrible. If I ever had a vehicle that had that... I would remove or disable it ASAP...
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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So if speed up the soundtrack, and increase the volume will car be faster
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 04:30 PM
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For an electric car, as demonstrated in the R8 E-tron video, sure. But an internal combustion engine...

I'll have to turn down the volume and listen next time I'm in my friend's GTI.... didn't notice it before.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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...and I thought peeps were going nuts over the sound pipe......now we have speakers too to delete.

Peeps want to have their cake and eat it too.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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BLEH to fake engine sound.

Of course, I'm spoiled as I have two cars that make great noise all by themselves, without enhancement.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 08:34 PM
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I live with this on a daily basis.....
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 09:09 PM
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soon you will be able to make money selling CD's or MP3 with V12 or V10 engine noise (it should be called a music for us enthusiast )
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 09:15 PM
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My wife's CR-Z was specially tuned in the 6MT model to sound even better.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperTrooper169
I agree, like the Mustang GT using a tube from the intake, but even still it seems weird. What happened to actual factory engine tuning to get the same effects? Is there just that much sound deadening material in today's cars?
It is kinda weird, but it really isn't as bad I thought it was going to be. I'll be deleting mine when i get around to it. It's just not that pressing an issue.

The thing that bugs most sports car guys is that the exhausts are too quiet. If they weren't so effin efficient, sound tubes and such wouldn't even be needed.
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Old Aug 7, 2012 | 10:59 PM
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Case in point: Volkwagen's GTI used to have a noise pipe, but when the latest version appeared in 2011, the pipe was replaced with the Soundaktor. This system uses a hockey-puck-size speaker mounted on the firewall to generate extra noise. VW didn't exactly advertise the feature, and when word got out, the forums lit up.

"The Soundaktor is only there to lie to me," fumed one GTI owner on vwvortex.com when he found out his car has the system. "It's false advertising, plain and simple."
Reading this is so depressing.
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 04:06 AM
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I say neagative the sound coming from the car should be the sound of the car not some crap played over speakers.
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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I'm going to put a set of swoosh canceling speakers in my car today
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dreem1er
So if speed up the soundtrack, and increase the volume will car feel like it has no emissions equipment.
fixed.

Seriously, if you want engine noise get yourself an old FERRARI 365 GTS/4 4.4 V12
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 10:05 AM
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Not a fan of the speaker system exhaust at all
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pttl
It is kinda weird, but it really isn't as bad I thought it was going to be. I'll be deleting mine when i get around to it. It's just not that pressing an issue.

The thing that bugs most sports car guys is that the exhausts are too quiet. If they weren't so effin efficient, sound tubes and such wouldn't even be needed.
Very true. I was really surprised at how quiet my buddy's '12 GT was. Even with the aftermarket exhaust and x-pipe it was still much quieter than I remember the Fox body 'Stangs to be with Flowmasters. That's the ultimate Mustang exhaust sound IMO. I guess we do have to give the engineers some credit for the intake tube though, at least they realized it should piped in from the intake and not the exhaust.
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 01:44 PM
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I hate it.
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 02:01 PM
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Prius owners rejoice..... I would love to hear a prius with a deep growl of a mercedes SL65 AMG...
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Old Aug 8, 2012 | 02:21 PM
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^ Sign of the apocalypse.
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Old Aug 9, 2012 | 12:01 AM
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If they're going to go that far, maybe they should get the soundtrack from C'était un Rendezvous (the early-morning bumper-ride through Paris film). Cruise around in a smart car making that sound.
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Old Aug 9, 2012 | 12:18 AM
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^ Sign of the apocalypse.
Agreed.
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Old Aug 9, 2012 | 01:07 AM
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I don't know how i would react.

Will let board know when I pick up my M5 on 9/12.
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Old Aug 9, 2012 | 02:59 AM
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i'm indifferent on the sound pipe, but no to speakers or that noise making thing on the gti

I didnt know that. When i test drove the 12' gti i even thought to myself, wow this sounds louder than i imagined and quite nice. Only now to know i was listening to something make sound
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