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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
well no shit adam that imola red will look good when you post pics of 19s with a fatty dish on it!!! Any color would look hott with those rims fool...
:P :P
well no shit adam that imola red will look good when you post pics of 19s with a fatty dish on it!!! Any color would look hott with those rims fool...
:P :P
on bin laden
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Originally posted by Tom2
Fotis,
Have you ever had a rusty trombone?
I'd bet you have
Fotis,
Have you ever had a rusty trombone?
I'd bet you have
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Originally posted by fbazakos
every once in a while, the asshole gets SHIT on ... and today is your lucky day.
not entirely positive that the lack of you owning an acura is the root cause of how lost you are ... it's more of the fact that YOU'RE NEVER FUCKING HERE.
a few g's ... like that's what kept me from getting a bmw ... and not the connotation that preceeds you around here ...
every once in a while, the asshole gets SHIT on ... and today is your lucky day.
not entirely positive that the lack of you owning an acura is the root cause of how lost you are ... it's more of the fact that YOU'RE NEVER FUCKING HERE.
a few g's ... like that's what kept me from getting a bmw ... and not the connotation that preceeds you around here ...
I've been here EVERY DAY for months now. Of course there was a period of time that I was gone (about 6 or 7 months) but lately I've logged on here at least 3 times a day.
And you know what? I still can't figure out what the fuck you're talking about!
If you have something to say, then say it. Don't beat around the bush or talk in strange phrases.
a few g's ... like that's what kept me from getting a bmw ... and not the connotation that preceeds you around here
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Originally posted by Crazy Sellout
I still have no idea what fotis is trying to say in any of this....
I still have no idea what fotis is trying to say in any of this....
Fotis must be borderline retarded or something......
Here's what a Fotis post looks like to me:
You blang ripped where who solution might orange should me.
I paper suck walls dirty plant black microwave cock.
(just take out every other word in the 2nd sentence
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Originally posted by fbazakos
lemme know what your wife prefers when you get home tonight ...
lemme know what your wife prefers when you get home tonight ...
If so, what the fuck is she doing with a dead muskrat on her head?
Someday pigs WILL fly!
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Ernie, there is just something about you that pisses me off! 
Congrats dude...I wanna ride in it when you get it. I don't know what the next car I will get will be.... everyone is pushing me toward a G35 coupe 6 speed.
Luckily I have a buddy who is an Infiniti Dealer in San Diego. I already talked to him about buying one.
Congrats dude...I wanna ride in it when you get it. I don't know what the next car I will get will be.... everyone is pushing me toward a G35 coupe 6 speed.Luckily I have a buddy who is an Infiniti Dealer in San Diego. I already talked to him about buying one.
Someday pigs WILL fly!
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Originally posted by Tom2
You blang ripped where who solution might orange should me.
I paper suck walls dirty plant black microwave cock.
(just take out every other word in the 2nd sentence
You blang ripped where who solution might orange should me.
I paper suck walls dirty plant black microwave cock.
(just take out every other word in the 2nd sentence
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Originally posted by Tom2
What I was questioning was your statement that, "...SMG ownz the manual no matter what instance..."
I don't agree with that at all. I really like the SMG, but the manual trans is so much more satisfying to drive. I never did get used to NOT having a clutch pedal.
What I was questioning was your statement that, "...SMG ownz the manual no matter what instance..."
I don't agree with that at all. I really like the SMG, but the manual trans is so much more satisfying to drive. I never did get used to NOT having a clutch pedal.
that statement was foolish... as i really havent a fucking clue. lol
im going strictly off reading all the white papers BMW released a year or so back on the bmw international site. sounded like the shiznit...
i dunno how watered down the american version is, nor do i know whether or not it lives up to the hype.
i just felt like arguing for the sake of arguing haha. you know how that goes...
but umm... I would still choose SMG just cuz im a lazy bastard. but I would have to drive it first sure.
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Originally posted by soopa
your right.
that statement was foolish... as i really havent a fucking clue. lol
im going strictly off reading all the white papers BMW released a year or so back on the bmw international site. sounded like the shiznit...
your right.
that statement was foolish... as i really havent a fucking clue. lol
im going strictly off reading all the white papers BMW released a year or so back on the bmw international site. sounded like the shiznit...
they tend to do that on options that cost 2K
And tom, are they gonna get rid of the 1st gear skip when the SMG is in auto mode or do they have to keep that for gas guzzling law rules
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I still don't think he has a clue what the fuck he is talking about. Apparently nobody else does either.
All I know is that funniest quote of the day goes to Tom2
"is that your wife...? If so, what the fuck is she doing with a dead muskrat on her head?"
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Originally posted by jts1207
i thought i read somewher that the manual was like .2 seconds quicker than the smg
i thought i read somewher that the manual was like .2 seconds quicker than the smg
The gap remained the same for the quarter mile as well. Which just says that the manual tranny M3 comes out of the hole better, regardless of launch control.
I believe there is a short article in Car and Driver (last months issue) that compares the SMG and manual trans M3. They also got better times in the manual trans car.
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Tom, im not hip to all the details of launch control, but doesnt provide every driver a consistent launch?
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
Does the SMG model weigh anymore then the 6spd?
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
Does the SMG model weigh anymore then the 6spd?
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Originally posted by ghander
And tom, are they gonna get rid of the 1st gear skip when the SMG is in auto mode or do they have to keep that for gas guzzling law rules
And tom, are they gonna get rid of the 1st gear skip when the SMG is in auto mode or do they have to keep that for gas guzzling law rules
To be honest, I didn't realize that the SMG skipped 1st gear in any of the auto modes. But you're probably right......
The M3 is considered a gas guzzler anyway.......
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Originally posted by soopa
Tom, im not hip to all the details of launch control, but doesnt provide every driver a consistent launch?
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
?
Tom, im not hip to all the details of launch control, but doesnt provide every driver a consistent launch?
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
?
It provides a consistent launch, but not an IDEAL launch.
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Originally posted by ghander
It provides a consistent launch, but not an IDEAL launch.
It provides a consistent launch, but not an IDEAL launch.
BUT... how many people can say they would be able to produce a consistently IDEAL launch on their own with a manual?
not many me thinks.
granted some of you are shift kings... but most arent.
this is probably a bad comparison, but... for instance the S2000, which CAN provide a good launch.... many drivers... especially on the street... cant move that thing for the life of them.
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Originally posted by soopa
Tom, im not hip to all the details of launch control, but doesnt provide every driver a consistent launch?
In theory, yes. In reality, no. It depends on the available traction. The SMG computer is supposed to detect wheel spin and slip the clutch accordingly.
The Euro version allows a much harder launch (from what I've read anyway) and actually LIMITS the amount of launches before your car is no longer under warranty. I think it allows 30 launches or so.... But don't hold me to that, because I don't know for sure about the Euro cars.
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
Have you ever driven an M3? My E36 M3 was very easy to launch, simply because of the characteristics of the drivetrain.
They have excellent traction, even on street tires. The E46 is a little harder to launch, but still pretty easy in my opinion.
If you've ever driven a late model Mustang in a drag race, then you'll know exactly the opposite of an M3. Those cars are 10 times harder to put the power to the ground.
I'd bet that I could beat an SMG M3 with a manual M3 8 out of 10 times.
Does the SMG model weigh anymore then the 6spd?
Yes, but the difference is very small. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think it's around 50 lbs.
Tom, im not hip to all the details of launch control, but doesnt provide every driver a consistent launch?
In theory, yes. In reality, no. It depends on the available traction. The SMG computer is supposed to detect wheel spin and slip the clutch accordingly.
The Euro version allows a much harder launch (from what I've read anyway) and actually LIMITS the amount of launches before your car is no longer under warranty. I think it allows 30 launches or so.... But don't hold me to that, because I don't know for sure about the Euro cars.
Whereas a with a manual, you have to be pretty good with the stick to get the perfect launch?
Have you ever driven an M3? My E36 M3 was very easy to launch, simply because of the characteristics of the drivetrain.
They have excellent traction, even on street tires. The E46 is a little harder to launch, but still pretty easy in my opinion.
If you've ever driven a late model Mustang in a drag race, then you'll know exactly the opposite of an M3. Those cars are 10 times harder to put the power to the ground.
I'd bet that I could beat an SMG M3 with a manual M3 8 out of 10 times.
Does the SMG model weigh anymore then the 6spd?
Yes, but the difference is very small. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think it's around 50 lbs.
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Originally posted by gmilian
i thought the m3's were built here in the states. so how could you go to germany to pick it up?
i thought the m3's were built here in the states. so how could you go to germany to pick it up?
BMW has something called "European delivery". You can order your car at any BMW dealer in the states and fly to Germany to take delivery of it at the factory.
They give you German plates and insurance, and you can drive all over Europe and the Autobahn and then have it shipped to your local BMW dealership.
Pretty cool and BMW gives you a price break too, to make up for having to pay airfare/accomodations in Germany.
Plus, you get to keep your German plates
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OMG! they limit the amount of warranteed launches?!?! 
thats nuts.
but yes... I too have read the Euro version has a much better launch system.
and no... I have not had a chance to launch a M3. I dont know how easy they are to drive.
If its anything like other BMWs I cannot imagine it is easy to launch... the one thing I HATE about 325s and 330s is the clutch travel. Fucking thing is like driving a truck...
The way the clutch behaves is identical to a Honda Passport, aka, Isuzu Rodeo I once had.
I prefer the feel of short travel short shifting trannies like the RSX for instance. That is one car I am confident I would be able to launch properly on a consistent basis.
thats nuts.
but yes... I too have read the Euro version has a much better launch system.
and no... I have not had a chance to launch a M3. I dont know how easy they are to drive.
If its anything like other BMWs I cannot imagine it is easy to launch... the one thing I HATE about 325s and 330s is the clutch travel. Fucking thing is like driving a truck...
The way the clutch behaves is identical to a Honda Passport, aka, Isuzu Rodeo I once had.
I prefer the feel of short travel short shifting trannies like the RSX for instance. That is one car I am confident I would be able to launch properly on a consistent basis.
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Originally posted by soopa
well right, which is why the manual with a good driver can get outta the hole faster..
BUT... how many people can say they would be able to produce a consistently IDEAL launch on their own with a manual?
not many me thinks.
granted some of you are shift kings... but most arent.
this is probably a bad comparison, but... for instance the S2000, which CAN provide a good launch.... many drivers... especially on the street... cant move that thing for the life of them.
well right, which is why the manual with a good driver can get outta the hole faster..
BUT... how many people can say they would be able to produce a consistently IDEAL launch on their own with a manual?
not many me thinks.
granted some of you are shift kings... but most arent.
this is probably a bad comparison, but... for instance the S2000, which CAN provide a good launch.... many drivers... especially on the street... cant move that thing for the life of them.
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Originally posted by soopa
this is probably a bad comparison, but... for instance the S2000, which CAN provide a good launch.... many drivers... especially on the street... cant move that thing for the life of them.
this is probably a bad comparison, but... for instance the S2000, which CAN provide a good launch.... many drivers... especially on the street... cant move that thing for the life of them.
Most S2000 owners aren't willing to do that to their cars though....
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Originally posted by soopa
If its anything like other BMWs I cannot imagine it is easy to launch... the one thing I HATE about 325s and 330s is the clutch travel. Fucking thing is like driving a truck...
If its anything like other BMWs I cannot imagine it is easy to launch... the one thing I HATE about 325s and 330s is the clutch travel. Fucking thing is like driving a truck...
It was NOTHING like the clutch in the M3. The 328 clutch engages at nearly the top of the pedal travel. In my opinion, that makes for shitty stop and go driving.
But to race it, I could get used to it after a few runs and do well with it. The suspension on the 3 series is just a sweet set up.
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Originally posted by Tom2
To get a really good launch with an S2000, you have to rev the piss outta the motor and dump the clutch. The car makes so little torque down low that it's the only way to get it moving off the line.
Most S2000 owners aren't willing to do that to their cars though....
To get a really good launch with an S2000, you have to rev the piss outta the motor and dump the clutch. The car makes so little torque down low that it's the only way to get it moving off the line.
Most S2000 owners aren't willing to do that to their cars though....
yea, the car basically requires a 6500 DUMP to get going
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yea your right. you do learn what to do in your car over time...
and like I said, S2k is bad comparison.
I never drove new M3 so I dont know what it feels like down low... I just knew it has high RPM and assume that meant ya might need to dump it high.
I really havent a clue... as i said before. heh
Oh, and good to hear the M3 tranny feels diff from 3-series.
I knew that the M5 has a diff feeling tranny then the 5-series. The 5-series regularly gets complaints and the M5 is supposedly the dream tranny...
I thought I had heard the opposite of the M3...... apparently not.
and like I said, S2k is bad comparison.
I never drove new M3 so I dont know what it feels like down low... I just knew it has high RPM and assume that meant ya might need to dump it high.
I really havent a clue... as i said before. heh
Oh, and good to hear the M3 tranny feels diff from 3-series.
I knew that the M5 has a diff feeling tranny then the 5-series. The 5-series regularly gets complaints and the M5 is supposedly the dream tranny...
I thought I had heard the opposite of the M3...... apparently not.
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Originally posted by Tom2
Speaking of wives, is that your wife in this picture?
If so, what the fuck is she doing with a dead muskrat on her head?
Speaking of wives, is that your wife in this picture?
If so, what the fuck is she doing with a dead muskrat on her head?
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