The Official Nissan GT-R Discussion Thread
10-07-2008, 04:17 PM
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I believe this story because if you use launch control, your warranty is void. Nissan has great confidence in this vehicle.
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Launch_co...warranty_/2047
Nissan is full of Sh*t!!!!!
http://www.fquick.com/blog/Launch_co...warranty_/2047
Nissan is full of Sh*t!!!!!
In any event, regardless of which side you're on that page is pretty interesting from an automotive history stand point. I don't recall any car coming with a feature that is available and documented (VDC in this case), but prohibited.
10-07-2008, 04:25 PM
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Oh boy, this one is gonna blow up in Nissan's face. They need to do some SERIOUS damage control and quick. They'd better fire off letters or better yet; phone calls to all current owners and explain to them EXACTLY what the situation is.
Not only is it a terrible PR situation, I'm going to guess they don't have a warehouse full of spare GT-R transmission parts laying around either.
Hard to imagine why they delivered cars with that feature enabled, knowing full well that there are tons of drag monkeys in this country that would take those things to the strip before the plastic was even off the seats.
Not only is it a terrible PR situation, I'm going to guess they don't have a warehouse full of spare GT-R transmission parts laying around either.
Hard to imagine why they delivered cars with that feature enabled, knowing full well that there are tons of drag monkeys in this country that would take those things to the strip before the plastic was even off the seats.
10-07-2008, 05:39 PM
#124
Suzuka Master
10-07-2008, 05:57 PM
#126
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Personally this wouldnt turn me off to the car. What reason would there be to turn off the VCD?
Doesnt race mode offer enough for the track? Launch control is great if you into drag racing.. which i am not.
Doesnt race mode offer enough for the track? Launch control is great if you into drag racing.. which i am not.
10-07-2008, 06:02 PM
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Was never a fan of the car anyway. I figured it would have problems with all the power/features it has. It's a brand new model with new technology so this is what ya get.
At least the 2nd gen TL/CL trannies get replaced without question. lol
"Sorry, you drove the car with VSA off for too long"
At least the 2nd gen TL/CL trannies get replaced without question. lol
"Sorry, you drove the car with VSA off for too long"
10-07-2008, 06:24 PM
#128
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In fairness to Nissan this problem is yet to be widespread (and really has yet to be proven at all). Many, many journalists have beaten on GT-R's over the past year and none has reported any problems. I'm sure that all the major mags used LC ad nauseum during testing and I am unaware of any malfunctons. To say that the tranny is weak implies that using LC will DEFINITELY destroy the tranny but at this point all I've seen is some isolated incidents, none of which has much credibility yet. Lets not start ragging on the machine itself until we know more.
My gripe is with this fine print lawyer BS Nissan is pulling. Don't offer a feature you are not willing to guarantee. If they can get away with that whats to stop them from saying you can't turn the engine on or you void the warranty? Its just really weak....
My gripe is with this fine print lawyer BS Nissan is pulling. Don't offer a feature you are not willing to guarantee. If they can get away with that whats to stop them from saying you can't turn the engine on or you void the warranty? Its just really weak....
10-07-2008, 06:27 PM
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hmm. if it states it under the warranty, this is the own guys fault. fair is fair.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
What Nissan could also do is put a sticker/label on the VDC button, saying something like, "disabling the VDC will voild your warranty." I mean, my Playstation 2 has something like that, my Playstation 3 has something like that, so that I don't do something stupid like taking them apart unless something is seriously wrong and/or the warranty is expired.
Nissan clearly states that the warranty is void if you turn the VDC off, but it fails to clearly SHOW this warning at the right location. Like you said, even tobacco companies put the big warning sign right where everyone can see, but again, Nissan chose not to do that. And I think the reason is pretty obvious.
10-07-2008, 06:58 PM
#130
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hmm. if it states it under the warranty, this is the own guys fault. fair is fair.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
is wrong for nissan to have a feature like this? perhaps.
was the consumer aware of this before purchase? yes.
does nissan clearly state that warranty is void if you turn off this feature? absolutely.
it's tempting to turn it off but the owner has to use it at their own will.
thats like blaming big tobacco for getting cancer. the warning sign is right there on the pack.
be responsible for your actions.
10-07-2008, 07:43 PM
#131
I'm Down Right Fierce!
Ugh. $20k to fix a POS manumatic.
Sure the guy probably beat the shit out of his car, but $20k is the most expensive tranny swap I've heard of for a Japanese car.
Honestly, why didn't they just release the R35 with a manual 6 speed? Would've probably driven down that $20k cost a bit.
IMO, the R34 > R35.
Nissan is making it impossible to mod the R35, which is retarded since GTRs have been the icon car that Tuners have wanted for years.
I'm an import guy, but I'd much rather look at Corvette than a R35; and it'd be a cold day in hell before I got a Corvette.
Sure the guy probably beat the shit out of his car, but $20k is the most expensive tranny swap I've heard of for a Japanese car.
Honestly, why didn't they just release the R35 with a manual 6 speed? Would've probably driven down that $20k cost a bit.
IMO, the R34 > R35.
Nissan is making it impossible to mod the R35, which is retarded since GTRs have been the icon car that Tuners have wanted for years.
I'm an import guy, but I'd much rather look at Corvette than a R35; and it'd be a cold day in hell before I got a Corvette.
10-07-2008, 07:55 PM
#132
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10-07-2008, 08:00 PM
#133
I'm Down Right Fierce!
^ 
Chevy understands that the Corvette is an enthusiast car. Hell, I think Chevy dealers even offers modified engine parts!
I still don't get why you can't even put on Aftermarket Wheels on the GTR without all the sensors going bonkers! WTF NISSAN!
Chevy understands that the Corvette is an enthusiast car. Hell, I think Chevy dealers even offers modified engine parts!
I still don't get why you can't even put on Aftermarket Wheels on the GTR without all the sensors going bonkers! WTF NISSAN!
10-07-2008, 10:14 PM
#136
Suzuka Master
Glad I didn't go with the GTR. Seems like more headache than it's worth
10-08-2008, 12:56 AM
#137
I see where you are coming from - it's not like Nissan didn't have a warning. But the warning is not clear to see. What I mean is, how many drivers out there actually read their owner manuals? Out of the people that I know, none of them read theirs, unless something's wrong with their cars.
What Nissan could also do is put a sticker/label on the VDC button, saying something like, "disabling the VDC will voild your warranty." I mean, my Playstation 2 has something like that, my Playstation 3 has something like that, so that I don't do something stupid like taking them apart unless something is seriously wrong and/or the warranty is expired.
Nissan clearly states that the warranty is void if you turn the VDC off, but it fails to clearly SHOW this warning at the right location. Like you said, even tobacco companies put the big warning sign right where everyone can see, but again, Nissan chose not to do that. And I think the reason is pretty obvious.
What Nissan could also do is put a sticker/label on the VDC button, saying something like, "disabling the VDC will voild your warranty." I mean, my Playstation 2 has something like that, my Playstation 3 has something like that, so that I don't do something stupid like taking them apart unless something is seriously wrong and/or the warranty is expired.
Nissan clearly states that the warranty is void if you turn the VDC off, but it fails to clearly SHOW this warning at the right location. Like you said, even tobacco companies put the big warning sign right where everyone can see, but again, Nissan chose not to do that. And I think the reason is pretty obvious.
I am with you bro. I am so pissed off after looking at that link, don't know how owner feels like.
10-08-2008, 01:57 AM
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Man , if they build such a monster car why not put parts in it to stand the strain . More than once an american manufacturer has limited a car to only an automatic because they didn't have a manual able to take the beating .
10-08-2008, 02:08 AM
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Sucks. He should have a decent shot at getting it covered if Nissan placed the warning in an obscure paragraph or in much smaller print or didn't expressly tell him about that exception.
10-08-2008, 04:15 AM
#142
That just sucks and shows you how arrogant Nissan is. At least with most Japanese maufacturers, they stand behind their product........
10-08-2008, 07:25 AM
#143
Safety Car
yes. there are so many reasons as to why having something like this is bad business. i am thinking in terms of the OP fighting the case...not too much will stick in court if this is contractually bound.
the consequences of this feature are absurd. im sure nissan jumped through many hoops to have the contractual statements of warranty and reprecussions to be bulletproof.
10-08-2008, 09:05 AM
#145
2010 SHAWD
Most of us should be very familiar with how he's feeling...
A weak ass transmission - check
A motor that's too strong for the transmission - check
A wack warranty that doesn't truly help you - check
Sounds like he's driving a 2003 Acura CL-S LMAO!
Seriously though, Nissan is going to be hurt by this and they deserve to be.
A weak ass transmission - check
A motor that's too strong for the transmission - check
A wack warranty that doesn't truly help you - check
Sounds like he's driving a 2003 Acura CL-S LMAO!
Seriously though, Nissan is going to be hurt by this and they deserve to be.
10-08-2008, 09:23 AM
#147
Drifting
Most of us should be very familiar with how he's feeling...
A weak ass transmission - check
A motor that's too strong for the transmission - check
A wack warranty that doesn't truly help you - check
Sounds like he's driving a 2003 Acura CL-S LMAO!
Seriously though, Nissan is going to be hurt by this and they deserve to be.
A weak ass transmission - check
A motor that's too strong for the transmission - check
A wack warranty that doesn't truly help you - check
Sounds like he's driving a 2003 Acura CL-S LMAO!
Seriously though, Nissan is going to be hurt by this and they deserve to be.
I would have to disagree with the warranty comparison with regards to the Acura trans, they replaced mine same day with no issues.
10-08-2008, 09:51 AM
#148
Safety Car
yeah, acura replaced mine same day...it worked until 1/4 mile down the street.
its okay. they replaced it a second time the day after. that one lasted 2 days.
on the 3rd try (4th transmission) one week later, they got it right. no biggie, they hooked it up with an enterprise GM loaner.
its okay. they replaced it a second time the day after. that one lasted 2 days.
on the 3rd try (4th transmission) one week later, they got it right. no biggie, they hooked it up with an enterprise GM loaner.
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10-08-2008, 10:14 AM
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This is my favorite post:
Do you REALLY REALLY need he car to be "somewhat faster" than it aleady is on the streets that you *MUST* drive with some of the safety features off?!?!?!
Originally Posted by DragonGTR
You take VDC off because it allows the car to be driven somewhat faster...When you dont have it on and lets say you floor it from a 1st gear roll...the tires spin. Which if traction control is on, the car shifts automatically for you, limiting power. Im sure this is done through retarding the timing. Usually that hows all traction control works
In a nut shell- the car is faster.
In a nut shell- the car is faster.
10-08-2008, 10:24 AM
#150
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Im just bitter, pay me no mind. I miss my CLS. lol
10-08-2008, 11:33 AM
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i read up to page 12. what i believe is vital evidence is that this OP used LC at least 20 times. Also in the US afaik, Nissan does not say the car has LC. there is no LC button, LC in the owners manual, LC mentioned anywhere, or that their 0-60 times are based off a car that was launched using LC.
From what i read, they require the owner to sign a disclosure form informing them that if VDC is off, it will void the warranty. however, apparently not all owners got that form before buying the car. Also, turning off VDC requires a 3 sec hold of the button (ala 335 DTC) but i believe that since the car does not officially have LC they cant say because LC was used warranty is denied, but they say if VDC is off it voids your warranty, since VDC is a required step in order to achieve the 'hidden' LC. im sure that the black box can tell the difference between VDC off and vdc off with LC initiated. I doubt just VDC being off will deny warranty claim.
im kinda siding with nissan from a legal standpoint, but with the crowd from a moral point of view. if your not allowed to use LC why have it in the car, its not a diagnostic tool, or a feature needed to be used by anyone at the dealer, it is there for the owner to launch the car. my 2 pennies...
From what i read, they require the owner to sign a disclosure form informing them that if VDC is off, it will void the warranty. however, apparently not all owners got that form before buying the car. Also, turning off VDC requires a 3 sec hold of the button (ala 335 DTC) but i believe that since the car does not officially have LC they cant say because LC was used warranty is denied, but they say if VDC is off it voids your warranty, since VDC is a required step in order to achieve the 'hidden' LC. im sure that the black box can tell the difference between VDC off and vdc off with LC initiated. I doubt just VDC being off will deny warranty claim.
im kinda siding with nissan from a legal standpoint, but with the crowd from a moral point of view. if your not allowed to use LC why have it in the car, its not a diagnostic tool, or a feature needed to be used by anyone at the dealer, it is there for the owner to launch the car. my 2 pennies...
10-08-2008, 11:42 AM
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Truthfully, if Nissan didn't want people to disable these features for fear that the vehicle will get damaged internally, they shouldn't give them the option to do so.
10-08-2008, 11:54 AM
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what was nissan's reasoning behind turning the button off??
was the tranny prematurely produced? were the unable to make a tranny that would be able to handle this power??
was the tranny prematurely produced? were the unable to make a tranny that would be able to handle this power??
10-08-2008, 12:01 PM
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10-08-2008, 12:09 PM
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Exactly. This falls on nissan and not the owners of the cars. The option shouldnt be there with the press of a few buttons if there is going to be a voided warranty.
10-08-2008, 12:12 PM
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my thoughts of the Nissan Corp's Roundtable:
Ok guys, our sales are drastically plummeting. When will we have our bread and butter halo GTR ready of production?
-We are not sure. The transmission is having difficulty carrying the projected horsepower and performance figures.
If we use this vehicle to maintain these numbers, and possibly break the Nurburging record, we will have a true halo car that will boost sales and re-enter nissan into this niche market. also, how much mark-up could we see our dying dealerships profit from this vehicle alone?
-Close to 2x sticker!
Ok, we must meet the projected performance numbers. How will we be able to have the car ready for the release-date?
-Use a default button that waters down performance for everyday use, while avoiding tranny issues. however, when the feature is engaged, the car could still theoretically accomplish the projected numbers. marketability and sales of the grand GTR will remain!!
Genius. have this drafted in the warrantee agreement to save our asses if buyers abuse this feature!
Ok guys, our sales are drastically plummeting. When will we have our bread and butter halo GTR ready of production?
-We are not sure. The transmission is having difficulty carrying the projected horsepower and performance figures.
If we use this vehicle to maintain these numbers, and possibly break the Nurburging record, we will have a true halo car that will boost sales and re-enter nissan into this niche market. also, how much mark-up could we see our dying dealerships profit from this vehicle alone?
-Close to 2x sticker!
Ok, we must meet the projected performance numbers. How will we be able to have the car ready for the release-date?
-Use a default button that waters down performance for everyday use, while avoiding tranny issues. however, when the feature is engaged, the car could still theoretically accomplish the projected numbers. marketability and sales of the grand GTR will remain!!
Genius. have this drafted in the warrantee agreement to save our asses if buyers abuse this feature!
10-08-2008, 12:31 PM
#159
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Ironically, now that I think about, when that GTR beet the Porsche on the Nurburging, I bet you the VDC was off.
Wonder if the tranny on that GTR was toast after that run too.
Wonder if the tranny on that GTR was toast after that run too.
10-08-2008, 12:37 PM
#160
Drifting
I could be wrong, but didn't one of the previous BMW M's have a condition that if you use the launch control a certain amount of times, the warranty was voided?? I believe it was the models with the SMG tranny.