The Official Nissan GT-R Discussion Thread
09-25-2008, 01:39 PM
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:agreed: and where will it stop? Next law makers will push for it to be tracked to see if you were speeding, miles driven to find a way to tax you more, where you have been and what not. It wont end once they star as one side will find the one good thing about it and make it a law even though it infringes on privacy
09-25-2008, 01:40 PM
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Hasn't GM put EDR in all of their cars since the mid-90s?
This is nothing new.
There was a major court case a few years ago when the owner of a Corvette was driving at a high speed of rate, hit a Geo Metro waiting to make a left turn at the top of the hill and I believe both drivers died. The police used the EDR to determine what happened at the moment of the impact, and the Vette driver wasn't even on the brakes; probably came up on the Metro too fast to react.
Either way, it's no news. We are all being watched, even in the seemingly private environment of our OWN cars. Mitsubishi Evolution owners have been denied warranty because Mitsubishi pulled data out of their black boxes and determined that the cars were being raced.
This is nothing new.
There was a major court case a few years ago when the owner of a Corvette was driving at a high speed of rate, hit a Geo Metro waiting to make a left turn at the top of the hill and I believe both drivers died. The police used the EDR to determine what happened at the moment of the impact, and the Vette driver wasn't even on the brakes; probably came up on the Metro too fast to react.
Either way, it's no news. We are all being watched, even in the seemingly private environment of our OWN cars. Mitsubishi Evolution owners have been denied warranty because Mitsubishi pulled data out of their black boxes and determined that the cars were being raced.
09-25-2008, 08:36 PM
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:duh:
09-25-2008, 09:25 PM
#49
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This car's style and design is seriously starting to grow on me. At least the rear end.
Just not sold with front and super electronics yet.
Just not sold with front and super electronics yet.
09-25-2008, 09:38 PM
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One of my coworkers friends has one and LET HIM DRIVE IT. He was telling me today how awesome it was.
I saw 2 driving on RR620 (for the CenTex folks) about three weeks ago, a white one and black one.
I saw 2 driving on RR620 (for the CenTex folks) about three weeks ago, a white one and black one.
09-25-2008, 10:35 PM
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09-25-2008, 10:46 PM
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you gotta pay to play, no? why would a dealer honor your warranty if you were tracking and obviously abusing the car? that begs the question, why would they engineer are car capable of what the GTR does? dun dun dunnnnnn.....
09-25-2008, 10:56 PM
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where is....
Hasn't GM put EDR in all of their cars since the mid-90s?
This is nothing new.
There was a major court case a few years ago when the owner of a Corvette was driving at a high speed of rate, hit a Geo Metro waiting to make a left turn at the top of the hill and I believe both drivers died. The police used the EDR to determine what happened at the moment of the impact, and the Vette driver wasn't even on the brakes; probably came up on the Metro too fast to react.
Either way, it's no news. We are all being watched, even in the seemingly private environment of our OWN cars. Mitsubishi Evolution owners have been denied warranty because Mitsubishi pulled data out of their black boxes and determined that the cars were being raced.
This is nothing new.
There was a major court case a few years ago when the owner of a Corvette was driving at a high speed of rate, hit a Geo Metro waiting to make a left turn at the top of the hill and I believe both drivers died. The police used the EDR to determine what happened at the moment of the impact, and the Vette driver wasn't even on the brakes; probably came up on the Metro too fast to react.
Either way, it's no news. We are all being watched, even in the seemingly private environment of our OWN cars. Mitsubishi Evolution owners have been denied warranty because Mitsubishi pulled data out of their black boxes and determined that the cars were being raced.
09-26-2008, 12:14 AM
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And I had a hilarious time watching it with people all rooting for USC. Hahah all aboard the fail train. Don't assume anything before the actual game because anything can happen.
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09-26-2008, 01:38 AM
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the nissan dealership by my house is "GTR Certified" so they had a GTR in the show room. You need to get up close and personal to that car... doubt they would have let me test drive it... the sales people weren't aloud to touch it lol
oo and to add the GTR Certified sign looked sick too! lol
oo and to add the GTR Certified sign looked sick too! lol
09-26-2008, 02:33 AM
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While I agree that this would be great for resolving insurance issues, or at least helpful, I'm still worried about things like warranty claims being denied for going to the drag strip or road course. I mean, those are perfectly legal.... what are people doing to do instead to avoid it, start racing on the street? Oh yeah, that.
Like Will said there's a difference between an EDR and that continuous data recorder.
There are a few positives in this whole deal for the consumer. Another source of data to determine who's at fault in accidents, and potential decreases in insurance. On the other hand like its been said, there's many disadvantages for consumers.... potential warranty claim denial, possible increases in insurance rates, penalties for speeding/miles traveled, etc.
Like Will said there's a difference between an EDR and that continuous data recorder.
There are a few positives in this whole deal for the consumer. Another source of data to determine who's at fault in accidents, and potential decreases in insurance. On the other hand like its been said, there's many disadvantages for consumers.... potential warranty claim denial, possible increases in insurance rates, penalties for speeding/miles traveled, etc.
09-26-2008, 02:39 AM
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09-26-2008, 12:33 PM
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now i'm gonna be the odd ball and say GT-R vs M3 vs C63. I'd take the C63 because personally i like the styling of the C63 better. yes the M3 and GT-R a more "rev happy" motor but the low end torque on a AMG Benz is crazy. you come out of "the hole" or stop light with a Benz your eyes are in the back of your head.
09-26-2008, 01:11 PM
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wow
another thread about the gtr. and on top of that look at how the m3 gets brought up.
oh wait and here comes water-s from sleeping with his sister and brings up the c63.
another thread about the gtr. and on top of that look at how the m3 gets brought up.
oh wait and here comes water-s from sleeping with his sister and brings up the c63.
09-26-2008, 04:25 PM
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09-26-2008, 07:35 PM
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I think any kind of data recording in cars sucks complete and total ass.
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
09-28-2008, 09:22 AM
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Wiki has a link to to all the cars with edr's..wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Data_Recorder
list: http://www.harristechnical.com/downloads/cdrlist.pdf
I hate this stuff, as I'm a firm beleiver that it's against our constitutional right to "plead the fifth"... or not incriminate ourselves in a crime... It's being passed as a "safety" issue, so everyone except auto enthusiasts are for it...
You can't fight "Big Brother" (a reference to Orwell's 1984 novel)....
09-28-2008, 09:32 AM
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The next step is to install an inter-lock device on ALL cars so that you have to blow into the car, to determine if you're drunk or sober, in order to start the car.
On ALL cars... not just people who've been convicted of a DUI
On ALL cars... not just people who've been convicted of a DUI
09-28-2008, 10:48 AM
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How I feel about this depends on how it is being used. I am for the black box if it is only to be used in the event of an accident by police and insurance companies to determine what happened in an accident and potential responsibility.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
If it is being used by the manufacturer to deny warranty claims because of "racing" or by insurance companies to "spy" on unsuspecting drivers for the purpose of adjusting premiums, I am 100% against it.
When you've caused an accident, whether others were involved or not, I feel it's fair for the black box to be investigated to accurately determine what you did to cause the accident. This is far different from having "big brother" watch your every move.
Not that I'm in the market for one of these but depending on how this black box can be used would seriously weigh on my decision to buy one. If it is being used by Nissan to monitor how I drive it for denial of warranty claims, then no deal. Seriously Nissan, you guys spent all that time on the Nurburgring for something, I don't think it was to make a car for speed limit trips to the grocery store. If it can be used by the police or insurance companies in any situation other than an accident, then no deal. I'll spend my money on a made by a company who designed it to be driven.
If it's used in the case of accident investigations I think it's only fair. If I was the victim of an accident I'd want it. If the accident was my fault, I'd take responsibility for it. 
I think any kind of data recording in cars sucks complete and total ass.
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
If someone else were at fault, you'd stick it to them, but if you were at fault, you wouldn't want your insurance company, or the other parties insurance company to find out? Talk about a double standard.
09-28-2008, 10:57 AM
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So you think that an insurance company is shafting you if they use the black box to investigate IF you were at fault for an accident? Do you not want to take responsibility of your actions? Obviously if you weren't at fault, you'd have nothing to hide.
If someone else were at fault, you'd stick it to them, but if you were at fault, you wouldn't want your insurance company, or the other parties insurance company to find out? Talk about a double standard.
If someone else were at fault, you'd stick it to them, but if you were at fault, you wouldn't want your insurance company, or the other parties insurance company to find out? Talk about a double standard.
Where the hell did I say all that?
Jeez, get those voices out of your head dude.
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09-28-2008, 12:36 PM
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I think any kind of data recording in cars sucks complete and total ass.
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
For those of you who think its fine for accident investigation or insurance purposes, I guarantee you'll feel different when that data is used by your insurer or in court to shaft you.
Just my $.02
You said it in your post. If you don't think it should be used for ACCIDENT investigation purposes and if you think that by doing that investigation it's "shafting" you, then what else is there to think?
09-28-2008, 01:18 PM
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I'm gonna go ahead and let you have this conversation with yourself, leave me out of it.
09-28-2008, 06:57 PM
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If it's used in the case of accident investigations I think it's only fair. If I was the victim of an accident I'd want it. If the accident was my fault, I'd take responsibility for it. So you think that an insurance company is shafting you if they use the black box to investigate IF you were at fault for an accident? Do you not want to take responsibility of your actions? Obviously if you weren't at fault, you'd have nothing to hide.
If someone else were at fault, you'd stick it to them, but if you were at fault, you wouldn't want your insurance company, or the other parties insurance company to find out? Talk about a double standard.
Yeah but where does it stop. A good lawyer can make anyone look like an ass no matter whose fault it is. "oh mr. sly raskal, your car's data recorder showed that 15 minutes before the crash, you drove 7 mph over the posted limit. you are an unsafe driver."