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Old 07-26-2005, 03:24 PM
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Nurburgring Lap Times

I just stumbled upon this list and thought it was interesting:

6:59 --- Ferrari 312T, Niki Lauda, German GP, training (1975)
7:06 --- Ferrari 312T, Clay Regazzoni, German GP, race (1975)
*1.2m longer circuit than standard Nordschleife

6:11 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, training (1983)
6:26 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Stefan Bellof, race (1983)
6:41 --- Porsche 956, Group C, Derek Bell
7:50 --- BMW X5 Le Mans V12, Hans Stuck (2001)
*0.232 km longer than current, standard Nordschleife


7:06 --- BMW M3 GTR, 24hrs, test session, Jörg Müller (2003)
7:19 --- Radical SR3 Turbo (2003), >>> Link
7:20* -- Opel Astra DTM V8 Coupe, set-up for 24hrs race (sport auto 2003) *estimated
7:25 --- Alzen Motorsport Porsche 996, 24hrs race, Uwe Alzen
7:28 --- Porsche Carrera GT, Walther Röhrl, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:32.4 -- Porsche Carrera GT, definitive time by Horst Von Saurma
7:32.5 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (2001) >>> Link
7:36 --- Porsche Carrera GT, factory test driver Walther Röhrl (2002)
7:40* -- Porsche Carrera GT, *estimated time on cold and partially wet track (2003)
7:40 --- Mercedes Benz McLaren SLR, Klaus Ludwig, Autobild July 2004 >>> Link
7:42 --- Radical 1500 SR3 (2002)
7:43 --- TechArt GT Street (2001)
7:43 --- Porsche 996 911 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Rohrl, MOTOR Magazine
7:43.5 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine, 2002)
7:44 --- Pagani Zonda C12S (2003)
7:45 --- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 (2000)
7:46 --- Porsche 996 GT2
7:46 --- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (1999)
7:47 --- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, 381PS (996) (2004)
7:49 --- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup
7:50 --- BMW E46 M3 CSL (08/2003)
7:50 --- Blitz Supra, 750 PS, Herbert Schürg (1997)
7:50 --- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (1993)
7:50 --- Lamborghini Murcielago (06/2002)
7:52 --- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (1995)
7:52 --- Lamborghini Gallardo E-Gear (12/2003)
7:52 --- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (06/2004)
7:54 --- Porsche GT3 (996) (2003)
7:55 --- Caterham R500 Superlight (2002)
7:56 --- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale (02/2004)
7:56 --- Porsche 996 Turbo
7:56 --- Chevrolet Corvette C6 (tested by Dave Hill)
7:57 --- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS, racing suspension
7:59 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Performance Chassis) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:02 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Sport PASM setting) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:03 --- Porsche 996 GT3 (1999)
8:04 --- Lamborghini Diablo GT (07/2000)
8:05 --- Ferrari 575M Maranello F1 (12/2002)
8:05 --- Porsche 911 Carrera S (997) (Normal PASM setting)(Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:06 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
8:06 --- Caterham 7 Superlight R, Robert Nearn
8:07 --- Ferrari 550 Maranello (06/1998)
8:09 --- Honda NSX-R 3.2 (08/2002)
8:09 --- Ferrari 360 Modena (10/1999)
8:09 --- Lamborghini Diablo SV (no ABS?)
8:10 --- Chrysler Viper GTS, 411PS, UK-Spec, no ABS (10/1997)
8:10 --- Donkervoort D8 180R
8:12 --- Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG (04/2002)
8:12 --- Porsche 993 Turbo
8:13 --- Lotus Esprit Sport 350, 354 PS (05/1999)
8:13 --- Dodge Viper SRT-10, 506 PS (10/2004)
8:15 --- Ruf 911 CTR 2, 520 PS
8:15*-- Holden GTS (2000), *estimated
8:15 --- Porsche 911 Carrera 2 (997) (Walter Rohrl - WHEELS June 2004)
8:16 --- AC-Schnitzer E36 M3 CLS II, 350 PS (11/1997)
8:17 --- Aston Martin Vanquish (2003)
8:17 --- Porsche 996 C2
8:18 --- BMW Z8, 400 PS (08/2000)
8:18 --- Chevrolet Corvette Z05 Commemorative Edition, 344 PS (09/2003)
8:18 --- Ferrari F355 (06/1997)
8:20 --- Audi RS6 (2002)
8:22 --- BMW E46 M3 (12/2000)
8:22 --- BMW M Coupe, 321 PS (10/1998)
8:22 --- Mercedes-Benz C55 (07/2004)
8:23 --- Aston Martin DB7 GT (2003)
8:23 --- Porsche 996 Carrera 4
8:24 --- Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2004)
8:25 --- Audi RS4 375 HP
8:25 --- Callaway C12
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VI (11/1999)
8:25 --- Mitsubishi Carisma GT Evo VII (11/2002)
8:26 --- Mercedes Benz SLK 32 AMG (05/2001)
8:26 --- Nissan 350Z (2003)
8:28 --- BMW M5, 400 PS(also confirmed by Motor Commodore magazine, 2000)
8:28 --- Nissan Skyline GTR, 277 PS
8:28 --- Porsche 993 Carrera 2
8:29 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 55 AMG (05/2000)
8:29 --- Audi S4 4.2 Avant (11/2003)
8:30 --- Maserati Coupé Cambiocorsa (10/2002)
8:31 --- Ferrari F355 GTS, 380 PS
8:32 --- BMW M Roadster, 321 PS (09/1997)
8:32 --- BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (05/2003)
8:32 --- Porsche Boxster S
8:32 --- Volkswagen Golf R32
8:34 --- Acura NSX, 276 PS
8:34 --- BMW Z3 Coupé 3.0i, 231 PS (04/2001)
8:35 --- BMW M3 Coupe, 321 PS
8:35 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé (02/2002)
8:36 --- BMW E36 M3 EVO, 321 PS
8:36 --- Alpina-BMW B3 3.3 Coupé (07/1999)
8:37 --- Maserati 3200GT (2002)
8:37 --- Mercedes Benz C32 AMG (09/2001)
8:37 --- Nissan Skyline GTR V-Spec, 350 PS
8:37 --- Subaru Impreza GT Turbo
8:37 --- Honda NSX 3.0 (07/1991)
8:38 --- Honda NSX 3.2 (08/1997)
8:38 --- Mercedes Benz SL500 (12/2001)
8:38 --- Porsche 996 Carrera, 296 PS
8:38 --- Brabus-Mercedes Benz CLK 5.8 (12/1998)
8:39 --- Honda S2000 (01/2000)
8:39 --- Morgan Aero 8 (04/2003)
8:40 --- Holden GTS, on an in and out lap (2000)
8:40 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5 Targa Automatic (07/1997)
8:41 --- Aston Martin DB7 (1999)
8:41 --- Audi S3, 210 PS (06/1999)
8:42 --- Audi S4, 265 PS (08/1998)
8:42 --- Lotus Exige (11/2000)
8:43 --- Honda Integra Type R (12/2000)
8:44 --- Chevrolet Corvette C5
8:45 --- Chevrolet Corvette, 339 PS, automatic
8:46 --- Porsche 993 Carrera S, 285 PS
8:47 --- Honda Civic Type-R, 200 PS (11/2001)
8:49 --- Jaguar XKR Coupe (07/1998)
8:49 --- Renault Clio Sport V6
8:49 --- Audi TT 1.8T quattro Coupé, 225 PS (11/1998)
8:50* -- Mercedes Benz E55 AMG (2000)
8:51 --- Mercedes Benz C43 AMG (02/1998)
8:52 --- Mercedes Benz CLK 430
8:58 --- Lotus Esprit Turbo SE (07/1991)
9:09 --- Volkswagen Golf V6 4Motion
The Nurburgring has some very long straights so horsepower is very important on this track. The C6 lapping faster than the 600hp 993 or the Lamborghini Diablo is extremely impressive.
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Old 07-26-2005, 03:26 PM
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Can test a few of these cars on the 'Ring yourself on Gran Turismo 4.
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well lookie here.. it's an in-car video of Derek Bell running the 6:41 in the 956...

complete with commentary. good video.

download link - 26mb
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Originally Posted by srika
well lookie here.. it's an in-car video of Derek Bell running the 6:41 in the 956...

complete with commentary. good video.

download link - 26mb
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Cool list Dan.
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no TL? boooooooooooooooooooooo
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they ran the TL but it was soo fast they had to disqualify it..
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I have a Car and Driver they ran the new M5 with the V-10(500 hp) they said they did the 'Ring in a little over 8 minutes.
which is near the time of a new Vette Z06.
If I had a choice between a Vette Z06 and an M5 i'd take the M5
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Originally Posted by Water-S
I have a Car and Driver they ran the new M5 with the V-10(500 hp) they said they did the 'Ring in a little over 8 minutes.
which is near the time of a new Vette Z06.
If I had a choice between a Vette Z06 and an M5 i'd take the M5
Hey - are you looking at the time of 7:56 for the C6 in the above list? That is NOT the Z06.. The Z06 ran the Ring in 7:42ish at the hands of a pro driver. Much much faster than the M5.

I think the above list needs some updating I'm looking for the exact time...
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srika, feel free to edit my post if you find any new times. It's been almost 7 months since I last posted it, and I think the info was a few months old at that time.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
srika, feel free to edit my post if you find any new times. It's been almost 7 months since I last posted it, and I think the info was a few months old at that time.
yea.. nothing against you, the C6 Z06 lap time wasn't available at the time of your post. and, I would edit it, if I could.
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yea.. nothing against you, the C6 Z06 lap time wasn't available at the time of your post. and, I would edit it, if I could.
by the mod rights.

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So what do you guys consider as a tolerance for 'Ring lap times? If you're comparing results from different mags and TV shows testing at different times, I'd say that +/- 10 seconds isn't out of the question to consider as effectively equal.

I've driven the Nordschleife enough on the computer to know that it's borderline impossible to get a perfect lap on the thing. I'm of the opinion that blowing only three or four corners is a pretty damn good lap at the Green Hell. Factor that with varying weather conditions at different testing times and I think you can realistically end up with a tolerance of 10 seconds.
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For sure, easily 10 seconds. It's a monster of a track, and there are so many variables as you mentioned. It's hard enough to lap it consistently in a simulator, yet alone in real life with various weather, marbles, oil, or you-name-it on the track.
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Originally Posted by Dan Martin
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gee, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Billiam
So what do you guys consider as a tolerance for 'Ring lap times? If you're comparing results from different mags and TV shows testing at different times, I'd say that +/- 10 seconds isn't out of the question to consider as effectively equal.

I've driven the Nordschleife enough on the computer to know that it's borderline impossible to get a perfect lap on the thing. I'm of the opinion that blowing only three or four corners is a pretty damn good lap at the Green Hell. Factor that with varying weather conditions at different testing times and I think you can realistically end up with a tolerance of 10 seconds.
I would have to agree - but you also have to keep in mind that most (if not all) of the above times are at the hands of pro drivers (some legendary) and test drivers. I mean these are people that have ran 1000's of laps at the real Ring... I forgot exactly how many Hans Stuck has done but it was something crazy. The Ring is serious business - you don't just take a sports car there and drive it even close to the limit without knowing the track like the back of your hand...
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That list is kind of bogus. Look at the carrera GT. It posted 4 different times with 4 different drivers. It really doesnt tell you anything about the car, more about the driver. It would be hard to come up with a list like that for each car. You would have to have all the cars there in 1 day and 1 driver that would drive each car. But that really wouldnt be fair either cuz the driver would improve with each lap he did.
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^^^^ it's a running list of best laptimes at the Ring. It is not bogus. Running times like this at the (real) Ring is no joke... there are exceptions (just like there are on the Top Gear top times list, for instance) - but for the most part these numbers do tell you something about the cars.
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Originally Posted by SwervinCL
That list is kind of bogus. Look at the carrera GT. It posted 4 different times with 4 different drivers. It really doesnt tell you anything about the car, more about the driver. It would be hard to come up with a list like that for each car. You would have to have all the cars there in 1 day and 1 driver that would drive each car. But that really wouldnt be fair either cuz the driver would improve with each lap he did.

Bogus, no not really but you might attempt to use the facts in a bogus way. The trick is if a car posts a time no matter who the driver is the car is capable of that time, might go faster in the right hands but it is capable of that time.

Now as to the "tolerance" for Ring times I don't know that I can agree it is 10 seconds, well at least with the factory backed numbers. The drivers that run the Ring for the companies are true Ring masters, at or near the level of Hans. They run multiple days and multiple laps to get these numbers, so they all do their best to get runs in ideal conditions. Consider the difference in lap times in same team race cars with two drivers over a say 2 mile track the difference is often less than .2 of a second, so I feel confident that the factory backed numbers for cars like the 997, M3, M5 and C6 are indeed comparable within a couple of seconds. Now the magazine test runs which probably occur on one day with limited laps could vary far more.

With all that said I personally would consider 2 cars to be "equal" if the factory times were within 3 seconds, any more and there is probably a real difference. Although like most people I revere "ring times but they favor cars with monster horsepower (of incredible power to weight) and cars like the Exige or S2000 look like turds compared to their true every day performance.
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