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2013 Honda Accord Sport CVT
35
50.72%
2014 Mazda 6 GS
8
11.59%
2012 VW Jetta GLI
16
23.19%
Keep the 09 Rabbit
5
7.25%
Other
5
7.25%
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#201
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For a mid-range car, usually, the hassles are not worth it and the savings does not work out. There have been articles posted online suggesting what the threshold value is, I recall.
#202
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Generally speaking, cross-border shopping for a car is only worth it if it is for a higher-end car. So, I think the rule of thumb is if the MSRP in Canada is over $60K, then consider it.
For a mid-range car, usually, the hassles are not worth it and the savings does not work out. There have been articles posted online suggesting what the threshold value is, I recall.
For a mid-range car, usually, the hassles are not worth it and the savings does not work out. There have been articles posted online suggesting what the threshold value is, I recall.
#203
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Its a tough call between the Optima, Passat, Accord and Fusion...Lots of give and take.
#204
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And if you are "close" and can't decide, then, my suggestion is to let the $$$ decide for you. Find out the invoice price, give it GST, and 3% profit and use that as your starting negotiation point for any of the cars.
Whichever dealership gives you the best price, wins the dom-new-car derby.
#205
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Do you have the invoice pricing for all four...?
And if you are "close" and can't decide, then, my suggestion is to let the $$$ decide for you. Find out the invoice price, give it GST, and 3% profit and use that as your starting negotiation point for any of the cars.
Whichever dealership gives you the best price, wins the dom-new-car derby.
And if you are "close" and can't decide, then, my suggestion is to let the $$$ decide for you. Find out the invoice price, give it GST, and 3% profit and use that as your starting negotiation point for any of the cars.
Whichever dealership gives you the best price, wins the dom-new-car derby.
Accord is too much money and shitty interest rates
Fusion too is lacking in features at that price point
So maybe your idea is the way to go?
#206
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Yes, have all the info. Negotiation is not an issue for me to be honest. I just genuinely can't decide on the car. I think the Passat is my favorite of the 4 but it doesn't have a back up cam or push button start/keyless entry.
Accord is too much money and shitty interest rates
Fusion too is lacking in features at that price point
So maybe your idea is the way to go?
Accord is too much money and shitty interest rates
Fusion too is lacking in features at that price point
So maybe your idea is the way to go?
That's kinda how I ended up with the Countryman and FX -- we had "finalist" cars and just let the $$$ decide for us.
#208
Senior Moderator
Kia's warranty package is pretty decent too. I dunno, if you want to go German, I would suggest you consider a gently used Audi A4...?
#209
Fahrvergnügen'd
At this mileage, it probably settles your decision for you:
VW Passat TDI sets 77.9 mpg fuel economy record through Lower 48 states
8,122 miles and an average of 78mpg (US). I'm sure he was hypermiling like a boss but still, that's amazing. That's 3x what I'm averaging in my Focus ST.
VW Passat TDI sets 77.9 mpg fuel economy record through Lower 48 states
8,122 miles and an average of 78mpg (US). I'm sure he was hypermiling like a boss but still, that's amazing. That's 3x what I'm averaging in my Focus ST.
#212
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Accord is 3.99 across the board for all models isn't it?
I missed out on the Fusion last month. There was 0%, + $1000 Costso, + $750 rebate + what I negotiated off. I didn't bite.
Brother law bought a Edge last month and got a total of something like 6K off between Rebates, Costco and negotiation.
May as well wait for the July programs at this point. Can only get better with 14's on the way.
I missed out on the Fusion last month. There was 0%, + $1000 Costso, + $750 rebate + what I negotiated off. I didn't bite.
Brother law bought a Edge last month and got a total of something like 6K off between Rebates, Costco and negotiation.
May as well wait for the July programs at this point. Can only get better with 14's on the way.
#213
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Thread Starter
At this mileage, it probably settles your decision for you:
VW Passat TDI sets 77.9 mpg fuel economy record through Lower 48 states
8,122 miles and an average of 78mpg (US). I'm sure he was hypermiling like a boss but still, that's amazing. That's 3x what I'm averaging in my Focus ST.
VW Passat TDI sets 77.9 mpg fuel economy record through Lower 48 states
8,122 miles and an average of 78mpg (US). I'm sure he was hypermiling like a boss but still, that's amazing. That's 3x what I'm averaging in my Focus ST.
Just not sold on the diesel. Want something with more pep. Maybe I'm being silly but I really want that back up cam....
#214
The sizzle in the Steak
Just get the Optima and be done with it.
The Passat is the better driver's car & has a more upscale interior & quality, but when fighting price point, you can't beat the Optima in terms of features.
That being said, the Optima is no Camry driver, and the interior quality is far from the old Chrysler parts bin from day of old.
Again, get the Optima, you will be very happy. It's a good choice.
The Passat is the better driver's car & has a more upscale interior & quality, but when fighting price point, you can't beat the Optima in terms of features.
That being said, the Optima is no Camry driver, and the interior quality is far from the old Chrysler parts bin from day of old.
Again, get the Optima, you will be very happy. It's a good choice.
#215
Senior Moderator
Just get the Optima and be done with it.
The Passat is the better driver's car & has a more upscale interior & quality, but when fighting price point, you can't beat the Optima in terms of features.
That being said, the Optima is no Camry driver, and the interior quality is far from the old Chrysler parts bin from day of old.
Again, get the Optima, you will be very happy. It's a good choice.
The Passat is the better driver's car & has a more upscale interior & quality, but when fighting price point, you can't beat the Optima in terms of features.
That being said, the Optima is no Camry driver, and the interior quality is far from the old Chrysler parts bin from day of old.
Again, get the Optima, you will be very happy. It's a good choice.
It's rare that Waldorf and I agree on anything (well, that's not true). But, notice how we are BOTH telling you to get the Kia?
#216
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Thread Starter
I thought the Optima's interior quality of materials and fit and finish (never mind layout) was second only to the Passat's. Its layout was the best of the bunch.
I'm all over the map, today the Fusion has peaked my interest again.
I'm all over the map, today the Fusion has peaked my interest again.
#217
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You guys realize that that I likely wouldn't be getting the SX but an EX Turbo. The SX has the stiffer suspension, bigger wheels and a few other goodies. From reviews, the EX is a bit softer in the handling dept.
#218
Senior Moderator
Yeah, noted. I like both...even if well, the SX is obviously more fun.
#219
The sizzle in the Steak
#220
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^ Zipit, Waldorf.
#221
08 MDX, 04 TL (sold)
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I have the SX and the stiffer suspension provided a much sportier driving experience over the EX-Turbo.
Also, regarding backup camera... Before getting my Optima, I never had a backup camera and though of it as a nice feature to have, but didn't really care if it was there or not. After having a backup camera for a couple month, I really love it a lot more than I ever thought I would and find it extremely useful. Great for seeing what's going on in parking lots and also helps a ton with parallel parking. Just my $0.02 in case that help your decision since you felt you might be putting too much emphasis on backup camera.
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#222
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^ After my several test drives in various cars, the back up cam became a must have in my book.
Reason for not going SX is the $$$. I's be stretching the budget. We'll see what can be done when its time but an SX will be closer to 35-36K out the door, while the EX about 33.
Reason for not going SX is the $$$. I's be stretching the budget. We'll see what can be done when its time but an SX will be closer to 35-36K out the door, while the EX about 33.
#224
it's either that or some bus passes.
#225
The sizzle in the Steak
#228
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New Optima EX Turbo or Demo Accord EX-L V6 with 12K km (7,500 miles)?
About the same price.
Accord will have 2.5 years of warranty left compared to the 5 years for the Optima.
About the same price.
Accord will have 2.5 years of warranty left compared to the 5 years for the Optima.
#229
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Hmmm...I like the new accords...but I also like my in-laws optima and its a non-turbo...I Think I'd have to go Optima.
#230
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You will be infinitely happier cuz Gawd knows, your hockey team sure won't be giving you any joy.
#232
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Because it looks better and drives better.
#233
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Have you driven the Accord? not doubting just asking. Its been awhile since I drove the V6. Going again after work today to take out the demo.
To be honest I think I prefer the Accord. Like the styling, prefer the V6 vs Turbo and I'm still a Honda fanboy at heart. What I don't like is that its going to be about 1K more (if I get the price I want on the demo) and the warranty is far less than the Kia.
Wife also prefers the Kia...Tough call. But a car will be purchased today or tomorrow.
To be honest I think I prefer the Accord. Like the styling, prefer the V6 vs Turbo and I'm still a Honda fanboy at heart. What I don't like is that its going to be about 1K more (if I get the price I want on the demo) and the warranty is far less than the Kia.
Wife also prefers the Kia...Tough call. But a car will be purchased today or tomorrow.
#234
2016 Acura TLX
Get the accord. Something about a V6 just sounds more reliable than a turbo 4.
#235
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Have you driven the Accord? not doubting just asking. Its been awhile since I drove the V6. Going again after work today to take out the demo.
To be honest I think I prefer the Accord. Like the styling, prefer the V6 vs Turbo and I'm still a Honda fanboy at heart. What I don't like is that its going to be about 1K more (if I get the price I want on the demo) and the warranty is far less than the Kia.
Wife also prefers the Kia...Tough call. But a car will be purchased today or tomorrow.
To be honest I think I prefer the Accord. Like the styling, prefer the V6 vs Turbo and I'm still a Honda fanboy at heart. What I don't like is that its going to be about 1K more (if I get the price I want on the demo) and the warranty is far less than the Kia.
Wife also prefers the Kia...Tough call. But a car will be purchased today or tomorrow.
And no, I have not driven the new iteration of the Accord.
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#237
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Have a few offers out there. Lets see what happens. Found a 2013 Optima SX demo with only 5,000 km's. If they can meet my price that may be the car. Bit far from home though. The Canadian car market is so much smaller than the US. Not easy to find what you want locally sometimes for low sellers like an Optima. Accord's are more plentiful up here.
#239
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Go with the Optima.
#240
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@ Optima then!