ironviet

People will always hate the BMW in this segment of cars. You made a great purchase on a car that is to your liking, never mind the few idiots out there. They probably just hate it because most pure drivers prefer the "Ultimate Driving Machines". Ooops I guess the BMW marketing dept got to me too. I am a previous 350Z owner and also in my household was a G35 coupe so I can tell you that these cars have good value and performance but in no way are they as balanced and controlled as a 335i.

Maximized

That is a really good deal. My dad is looking at a new car and is tired of his 545. He wants a cheaper luxury car since he only puts roughly 6K on his car. My dad rolls in tax into it, so you'd have to add roughly another 75 a month.

Beltfed

Well in NY, you're only taxed on your payments.....so sales tax on the vehicle my buddy ordered is roughly $1,500.

So that's $42/month on the vehicle above (rolled in). Add a few bucks to that for interest on the tax.

Options are Sport package, heated seats, fold down seats, leather, metallic paint.

Crazy Bimmer

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2007-...QQcmdZViewItem

Good lease deal?

Beltfed

The payment isn't the worst but not great either, the only redeeming value is that its only for 20 months. I would sooner just lease a new sedan for 36 months. Leases out much better than the coupe.

Not sure what he's talking about here though........

Ok so you make the 20 additional payments $685 x 20 = $13,700.

Closed end payoff - $32, 918 + $13,700 = $46,618

"If you know BMWs, it will be worth more than that?"

Brandon24pdx

Leases are junk financing, just like interest-only mortgages and other miscelaneous crap the finance industry has conjured up to get people to buy stuff they really can't afford.

If you can't afford the payments on a 60 month car loan then you probably can't afford the car period.

Crazy Bimmer

Can you explain to us why you think this or you just repeating what you hear?

My old man used to lease and had 2 RLs then bought the 3rd one. Does that mean he couldnt afford the car since he was leasing?

IB

Brandon24pdx

Notice I said probably can't afford...you're old man might have plenty of money and choose to do what he wants with it, but lots of people, especially younger ones, tend to lease cars they couldnt otherwise afford to finance. (Which is not the world's greatest financial decision...leasing is inherently higher risk to begin with.)

daemonicus

oh man...here comes another leasing vs. buying argument.

Brandon24pdx

actually the only good car is the one you paid cash for....but no need to get too far off topic. I like the 335i coupe and might have to consider looking for that perfect used one in a couple years...

derrick

Going to the BMW.CA website and clicking on the same options (metallic paint, sport package ... heated seats are standard in Canada, etc)

Goes something like this:

Interest rate: 6.90%
36 months, 20k km/yr (~12.5k miles)
C$7740 down (US$6615)
Monthly payment = $655 / month (before taxes! YIKES! ~ C$746.70 or US$640/month @ 17% exchange rate and 14% taxes in Ontario)

I hate Canadian car dealerships!

Beltfed

What the hell are you talking about?

If you have good credit, financing is a perfect way to go. The standard rates these days on 60 months is 5.9-6.5%. You're doing even better if the company you're buying from has a subsidized program rate.

There are two reasons why one would pay cash for an expensive car.

1. You have nothing better to do with the money.

2. You're a credit bum and are stuck with a double digit rate where it will cost you big $$$ to finance the car.


And to leasing, some cars it really pays to lease.......like the 335 sedan for example or X3.

Beltfed

You really can't go by BMWs website for a quote.

Having BMW Financials figures and using a leasing calculator will be much accurate.

Hopefully the actual deal is much cheaper than what you posted.

DISRUPTV

why buy an depreciating "asset"? Thats why I lease my cars...esp. when u have such a sick program that bmw has...

Beltfed

Depends, sometimes you really have to in the regard if a car has a bad residual or no program rate. Some cars have 8% lease rates with descent residuals, that will not equal a very good lease term.

For example I bought the SRT8, because its a limited vehicle and is approx. $800/month to lease for 36 months (taxes up front). The residual is not very good and the buy rate is ridiculous.

In this situation, it made no sense to lease the vehicle.

Brandon24pdx

On the other hand, BMW's have some of the best residual values in the industry. (Sometimes 50-60% even after 5 years), so wouldn't it be a better idea to finance the car for 72 mo, get the payment down to near lease payment levels, pay it off in 5 years instead of 6, and own a car with a hard cash-money value of of 50-60% of its original sticker price? With leasing, yeah your monthly payments might be a little bit lower, but you're almost garanteed not to have crap to show for it when you give the car back, and you've had to put up with the annoyances of milage restrictions and the contract hanging over your head while you've got the car.

The "why buy a depreciating asset" argument is pretty much the most stupid reasoning I have ever heard for leasing a car, and I'm not trying to pick on you specifically here...lot's of people get sucked into this lousy bit of non-logic, including me at one point before I wised up to it. Im willing to bet that the small amount of money you save per month by leasing instead of buying just gets pissed away on something else anyway, leaving you truly with nothing to show for it at the end of it all.

picus

So I get my aero lip at the end of the week... It's depreciated like 50% already!

West6MT

Fixed

Brandon24pdx

okay, good catch.

picus

That's pretty much it until my wheels arrive.

hrj

iTrader: (1)

nice choice..

jz-97-c7

very nice, the lip sets it off nice...i keep sending my wife pics of your progress to push her to get 335 just like yours.

picus

That's funny, the more I do to my car the less my wife likes it. Luckily I don't care.

Mizouse

ohh fawk me, this makes me want this car even more

<~~~ wishes he had a well paying job

EuRTSX

Good man.

jz-97-c7

same with me, she hates drivng my truck with the way it sits and rides. the naked woman painted on the tailgate doesn't help much either.

picus

That's my next mod.

lscld

Just caught up on this thread.

Your car makes me everytime I see it. More pictures and angles of the lip please.

picus

http://gtaindetail.com/fp/335i/kevin/lip/

Saintor

Try again. Leases can make sense.

I have interest rate 3.5% residual 62% after 39mo 48000 miles. And the car was discounted -5%. It is no less expensive than to buy at 5-6% interest rate really. Yet I have assets to cover many many Bimmers in my driveway.

S14 n Tsx

bastard... you car looks to good.


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shayan

iTrader: (1)

hay picus, I love your car and everything you done with it. Looking at the your cars pictures has convinced me to sell my car and get a 335i, but I got a couple of questions

This might have been covered earlier in the thread, so I apologize

How does European Delivery work? How much cheaper is it compared to just going to a dealer and picking one off the lot?

Thanks for your help in advance

kmac_1906

Just from the outside looking in the website, it seems like European delivery is cheaper and and the money you save you can use for that vacation to pick up your car.

lscld

Thank you.
So nicely done. Can't wait to see the new wheels on this car.

picus

There is a ton of ED info here: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Basically how it works if you go into a dealer and tell them you want to do ED, you then negotiate a price based on the "ED MSRP", which is typically 4-8k less than MSRP. The "ED Invoice" is the invoice ED price, in the same way there is a regular invoice price, so that's what you shoot for. Either way, you generally save between 5-10k on the car. You get a production date and a completion date, and have to pick the car up within 7 days of completion.

You then take that money and put it towards a trip to Munich to pick the car up. Lufthansa offers ticket deals for ED, so you get a break there. BMW also pays for your insurance for 14 days while in Europe, so you save there. Some guys fly over, accept the car, and fly right back so they save a bunch of money; on a 335i you'll probably be able to save ~$5k or so this way. Other guys (like me) go over and enjoy the car for 14 days and save nothing but basically get a "free" trip to Europe and fun times with the car. When you pick the car up you get a tour of the factory (have to make an appointment, but it's easy). When you're done with the car you drop it off at a BMW shipping center (most guys drop it back off in Munich), and it gets put on a boat with the regular cars, and then railed to the dealer like normal, you pick it up again as if you were picking up a newly delivered car.

There are little things you need to do, like getting an international drivers license ($10), getting a window sticker and vest if you'll be in Austria (16 euro). There is a whole "support group" of ED'ers who will help you out the first time. You can "rent" a Europe DVD if you have NAV, there is a guy named Rolf (serious) that will pick you up at the airport and drop you at the BMW center to pick up the car. Mostly it's just good times.

Mokos23

I went on bmwusa.com and built a 335i sedan with all the options I wanted, total came to $43,830 with steptronic, navi w/idrive, and premium packages. Not bad, but still more expensive of course than a loaded G35 sedan, TL-S, and a base IS350. If I had money though I would buy it!

danny25

that ED sounds awesome, why would anyone by a BMW any other way?

why are they so much cheaper that way?

picus

It's a program BMW runs in conjunction with the German government to promote tourism. If you are a U.S resident I agree, there is almost no reason not to do it, even if just for the money savings, nevermind the trip. Driving the 335i over Grossglockner was one of the highlights of my life, I think.

Garnet Canuck

That's awesome Kevin. No wonder why you chose to to a ED. It sounds like such a great experience.......and I can vouch for your awesome vacation pictures too.

Crazy Bimmer

Didnt want to make a new thread about this so i figure I post it here.

I drove today the new 335i and G35s sedans.


So off to the G35 dealer because it is the best bang for the buck in terms of sport sedans. Went there and looked at the sticker of the car and was really impressed oh how much cheaper this car was than the BMW. So we first take out a manual version and the clutch is firm yet i really liked it. So he told me to take out the automatic to see if i would the like the paddle shifting. Let me say this is the best paddle shifting that i been in. There is hardly any delay in the gear shifting and I actually had a lot of fun with it. Car sounds great and the power is sure there and it stayed flat in most of the turns.. BUT, the car's steering and brakes disappointed me, felt too mushy. Car was about $34k the way I wanted it.


The 335i sedan was with sport package and automatic. Im not sure if i was driving it right but the automatic kept doing something weird, maybe bliping the throttle, but either way I didnt like it at all and couldnt get use to it. Anyways, im blown away how well this car steers, handles and brakes. Beats the G35 in those areas hands down. I mean i upgraded everything on my A4 in those areas and this STOCK 335 still performs way better. I mean sure i can talk about how fast the 335i is but most of know that already. Car is about $44k the way I want it.

I hardly even bothered to look at the interiors of each. I went out to DRIVE the cars and left all the other factors out like styling. Sales guy asked me why i didnt even look down when i was driving the car. I was just trying to compare the cars as closely as I could without the badge blinding my judgment.

I have driven MANY cars in the past 2 years and each time I been happy to get back into my A4. That stands even true with the G35, it did everything really well but nothing stood out as "great" in terms of performance. Its too toned down for me but wow you sure get a lot of technology for your money. Guess it depends what you want and i can see how this car does sell really well. 335i on the other hand... i still cant stop thinking about its ugly ass. Not a fan of its sedan look or the interior but the driving experience so makes up for it to me.

Planning to lease a 335i and the sedan is roughly $100/month cheaper. Sure i love the coupe much better but not sure if i would spend the extra. We will see since im not in a rush and still need to sell the A4. Plus would have to order the 335i and would take 6-8 weeks.

Came to realize that the G35 is the perfect balance of an Acura TL and a BMW 335. Right smack in the middle of the two. TL is a comfy cruiser and the 335 is a great sports car. If you took little bit of technology from the TL and little bit of sport from the 335, then you get the G35.

Cliff notes: You get what you pay for