pimpin-tl

If you actually read, you will see my G35 wasn't exactly stock.

It's okay. I have raced 3 M3s when I had my G35. All the same out come. And fyi. My G35 dynoed under 5500 rpms more hp and TQ than a M3 did. The M3 didn't come alive till above that and it wasn't enough to really gain that much ground.

pimpin-tl

If you compare my dyno here to a stock m3 e46 dyno you will see it makes more power through the whole powerband until i believe it was around 5500rpms.

pimpin-tl

Stock M3 Dyno. The higher one is with exhaust added to it. As you can see, actually my G35 made more power till around 6k. And the G35 makes more TQ all the way to redline.

FastAcura

Ummm, if you knew anything about cars, you'd understand that the M3 revs much higher than your G35. When you shift, you will get right back into powerband, so it does not matter if you make 10 whp more at 4000 rpms.

And even if you were faster, which you're clearly not, I would still take an M3. There is much more history behind an M3 than a G35. Using your logic, I could buy countless cars that can be made faster than the G35 for much less money. People in the market for an M3 are not gonna be looking at a G35.

pimpin-tl

The G35 actually goes to 7200 rpms but due to my speed limiter and the 5th gear pull it couldn't go that far. We did a 4 gear pull and it went to redline on that dyno as the last one, but it wasn't 1:1.. Like I said, it is not enough grounds to make a difference and I know a damn lot about cars. I write for Sport Z Magazine which is now called Nissan Sport.

I never said I was faster. Putting words in my mouth now? I said I was about as quick. Sure, the M3 has definitely more history and I would love one. But stay away from the ones that blow up.

pimpin-tl

Okay enough of the Ethugs, lets get back on topic since we are way off topic now.

Crazy Bimmer

Guess ya dont.

Im just e-thuggin.

Sdog2012

I have no problems with the GS interiors, I think they're awesome. Lexus's are GREAT A-to-B cars that are boring as hell to drive if you really enjoy driving, I drive an 03 es300 (camry, and probably even more boring to drive) and the dealer service is AWESOME, yeah so they are glorified toyotas, but drive a toyota and drive the lexus version and it will change your mind.

SiGGy

Sorry. but your an idiot which you have proven yourself a few times already . You think posting a couple of dyno's explains what? Lets just address a few simple thing... What were the temps and humidity on the day of BOTH the dynos? How many miles on the engine? What gear were they taken in? Altitude of the test? Although correction for SAE is suppose to account for all of that it isn't perfect. Then if you had more of a clue on what your talking about you would have also given dyno's from the same type of dyno. As they tend to drift a bit between machines. Not to mention miles on the vehicles, type of wheels installed... I could go on all day.

I'm an e-thug? Put your money where your mouth is and find us a article that shows the G35 out performing the E46 M3... WE ARE WAITING... until then put your foot in your mouth (whoops, you already have a few times)

So your G35 which supposedly puts out more power over more of the power band is still slower 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile by a good margin. Care to explain?

Or let me guess, these results are from your driving instructor racing another M3. Sorry but a 13.9 for new G35 vs a 13.2 is 5 cars lengths of difference. An older G35 is closer to .7-.9 of a second difference, 7 car lengths. Some M3's have dipped even lower in the 1/4 mile.

LOL, you write for a magazine. Write an article on how the G35 outperforms the E46 M3. Since it is obviously true... I sure hope your articles don't run on the same horse shit you write in here.

p.s. You would be the 1st and ONLY article on G35 > E46 M3. Why do you think that is? lol

p.p.s.

Do a calculation on how much more HP/torque would be required of G35 to be equal to the M3's power given the G35's extra weight. Or do yourself a favor, and read this thread... posted by Infiniti owners... lol

Oh, and I wasn't as mean and compared the G35 to the CSL M3. Which is the best sport packaged M3.

http://www2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=113326

SiGGy

lol, I don't have the patience anymore for this guy. I'll let him run on his merry way thinking the G35 is better around the track, or 0-60 or in the 1/4 mile. Since the G35 has more power over time, and it weighs 220 lbs less than the m3.... And of course we haven't even gotten into comparing stock tires and suspension... Which all of this does equate to being faster... lol

pimpin-tl

Wow I just backed myself up with facts and your calling me names now? And your a moderator breaking the forum rules which I have now reported you.

Different Dynos, Different cars. Can't compare exatly. But all BMW M3 E46 dyno around the same. I can pull 5 more dynos if you wish. Temps do not matter on a dyno. It has a correction factor for all that. Oh wait, if you knew a lot about cars you would know that.

But did you know if your car isn't full warmed up dyno results can skew too. Or if its too hot. Like the fluids aren't normal operating temp, the bearings, drivetrain, all that needs to be normal operating temperature so results don't get skewed. We are talking a Stock BMW vs my G35 which had only a few bolt ons. Most G35's 6mt run 14.2 bone stock at 99-101 mph. Autos run upper 14s. Again your putting words in my mouth. I NEVER SAID and I will say it again. That the G35 out performed a M3. Get that out of your head. I said the G35 isn't too far behind like you wish to believe.

And my G35 only weighed in at 3480 lb. It was without Premium Package.

Great link. But old data. Doesn't include the new 298 hp REVUP engine in the G35 which I had.

260 vs 298. Hmm huge difference.

pimpin-tl

LOL! Your the one thinking it actually outperforms the M3. I never said that.

Try reading better from now on.

3480 G35 vs 3440 M3. 40lb difference.

FastAcura

Again, what crack are you smoking? A G35 is quite a bit slower than an M3. A 13.7 vs a 13.0, that's not "about the same." And that's even taking into account that the G35 is modded and the M3 is stock. .7 seconds at the end of the quarter mile is about 5-6 car lengths, or a bus length. How is that anywhere near being close? And not to mention that the M3 traps about 4-5 mph more than you did when you had ran your best time.

You can post dynos and other things, but the actual numbers from the track speak for themselves. Not to mention that the M3 wasn't even designed to be a 1/4 performer, and it's still quite a bit faster.

What magazine do you write for? I need to subsribe to this one to get a good laugh.

pimpin-tl

Really? Where you getting 13.0 from? Because I see 13.5-14.0 for M3's on the forums. I have raced many M3's. Unlike you. M3 does not trap more. It traps almost the same. About 103-105 for a M3 is the norm.

Please get your facts straight before posting mis-information.

pimpin-tl

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ecs_price.html

M3 with the Competition package only does 13.3 at 104.4 mph.

0-60 though in 4.8 sec and that all depends on the driver. G35 has done 5.4 0-60.

FastAcura

Great, that's .6 seconds just by 60 mph. After that, the M3 will only pull more. And if you want to bench race, look at this

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW-M3-Timeslip-5454.html

Look at the G35 times. Times and traps are in a totally different league. Now stop comparing a 3 series competitor to an M3. You should be comparing the 330Ci ZHP to your car, not an M3.

FastAcura

Your same magazine pulled off a 13.8 with a supercharged G35 Coupe that trapped 2 mph lower than the M3. And look at the stock G35, it's over a second slower

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...fications.html

extremetls

all i know is lexus > acura and bmw > inifiniti. as far as lexus and bmw they are both good at what they do.

pimpin-tl

Ahhh. but you posted a Automatic G35 link. LOL! And the 260hp version or 280 version for the coupe.

pimpin-tl

Agreed. Let's end it at that.

extremetls

also, acura has some of the worst brakes ever! the brakes on the is350 are an absolute dream.

soopa

guess you haven't driven a 6-spd TL?

SiGGy

I was just starting to enjoy you acting like a fool actually...


You implied that MANY times, what your doing now is called "back pedaling"...

anyway, I'll agree with your Lexus > Acura and move on...

astro

wow, look at all the mag racers in here

SiGGy

Guilty as charged. Although most of my data is from friends screwing around in their cars and auto crossing them.

But don't forget the "I passed a M3 so my car is faster" type too

pimpin-tl

STOP calling people names. And your a moderator? Grow up. Not back pedaling. I am just tired of your childish behavior. You have yet to back up any of your statements. At least I have. Autocrossing is nothing compared to actually racing on a road course at speeds around 100 mph.

SiGGy

1st do yourself and favor and STFU. You called me an idiot and other things prior. Again your back pedaling. Childish?

I backed up all my statements, you just choose to ignore the facts from MULTIPLE people. Plain and simple...

Backed up your statements? HAHA is that what you call pulling #'s from different sources and comparing them, gee that's realistic. I hope you don't write your articles based on data like that.

LOL, report me. Get me kicked off of here... that'd be good. For saying your a "fool" and "back peddaling". I need to grow up? Do you always cry to mommy when you start losing a conversation?

pimpin-tl

Prove it. I never called you a idiot ever. Where, what links, what info have you actually backed up? Please.

I pulled #'s from Magazine with professional drivers. That is data and that is backed up statements.

SiGGy

You must not have a lot of testing experience.

Weather, tire pressure, track temps, different tracks... can all gave MAJOR effects on performance data.

The reality is the M3 is lighter and more powerful. You claim it can be out performed by a G35 at the track. It's just not the case... Sure it can be out drive, but that's comparing drivers not cars.

It's a 200lbs difference between cars. I'm not sure where you are pulling your weights from. Even more weight with the CSL M3.

That statement insinuates I'm an idiot. WTF did you hope to achieve by saying that. You tossed this down 1st, I just followed up on it...

pimpin-tl

Of course, but your info you supplied as well. I know how thing effect test data .I have previously mentioned this as well. I have 15 years of testing experience with automotives. I know a lot more than you obviously.

M3 lighter by 40 lb, makes 10-15 more hp peak, and 10-15 tq less than my G35. Oh wait, TQ wins races right? LOL!

200 no. Maybe a full loaded G35 Coupe to a M3 Coupe. But a G35 Sedan 6mt is lighter than a coupe and mine only weighed 40lb difference to a M3.

LOL!!!! Sorry but I never called you a name period or degraded you before you degraded me. Again you were wrong. I never called you a name. So stop trying to back peddle as you call it.

SiGGy

I'm not backpedaling, you're still a fool

But I'll drop this conversation as to not hammer up this thread any further as you previously suggested.

p.s.

You'll find I was pretty civil up until your shot at me...

pimpin-tl

WOW!!!!!! You pulled a post from the Fast Acura guy and said its mine? You edited it to make it look like that I said that!!!! LOL!!!!!

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https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=124

Ummm, if you knew anything about cars, you'd understand that the M3 revs much higher than your G35. When you shift, you will get right back into powerband, so it does not matter if you make 10 whp more at 4000 rpms.

And even if you were faster, which you're clearly not, I would still take an M3. There is much more history behind an M3 than a G35. Using your logic, I could buy countless cars that can be made faster than the G35 for much less money. People in the market for an M3 are not gonna be looking at a G35.

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SiGGy

I apologize, I thought you said that. I didn't edit the post, I typed in your name manually so it was my mistake. All better now? It was an honest mistake.

p.s.

Refer to earlier post on what I think about you...

It is a free world, you are allowed to think the G35 > M3 at the track. I'll let this drop...

pimpin-tl

Sad we have a moderator on this site that acts like 1SickLex.

SiGGy

I don't act like anything, I just don't run around saying rediculuos things like you do. That only *you* agree with... I looked for hours last night trying to find test track times stock vs. stock that shows G35>M3 (i.e. same driver, same track). They don't exist... it hasn't happened.

p.s.

I host these sites, I'm not really a moderator

pimpin-tl

Nothing rediculuos, its all in the #'s. But yes the G35 vs 3 series is a better equal part.

The new G35 runs 13.7 at 103 on a unbroken in engine. It even has more potential.

SiGGy

Ya I totally agree with you on the comparison to the base 3 series, but the 335i causes the G35 MAJOR heartache. Hell it even causes the M3 problems in a straight line. With some minor mods the 335i is awesome, I have been reading about 394hp and 400+ ft/lbs for torque from the 335i with just an engine reflash. And it's barely been out for a few months...

The E46 M3 is pretty old and soon to be replaced. I know it's V8 successor will be much faster, and hopefully leaner as the e46 took on some weight from the e36.

The new G35 is awesome, I'm not dissing it but stock M3's have ran 13.2's all day long. Some even faster, all driver dependent obviously. Some M3 owners can only run much slower. But the current M3 is what 6 years old now?

Really the 335I /w sport package is the one to compare the G35 too. And I still firmly believe BMW has the upper hand by a good margin.

Again, we are way off topic. Lets drop it?

pimpin-tl

What hp does the 335 come with stock? How much gain is there with a ecu upgrade?

SiGGy

What does BMW quote? or what did it dyno? They are two different numbers by a significant margin.

BMW says: 300hp
Dyno's say: Approx 290hp at the tires, which is about what 360-370+ hp at the crank? (guessing) Here's a good read...
http://www.motorauthority.com/cars/b...etter-results/

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Direct link:
http://www.automobilemag.com/feature..._dyno_revised/

FastAcura

Stock


With ECU and catback



http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31578