dom

Siggy, red text = sarcasm.

Yumcha

And Lambos...mein gott, what absolute horse-turd gouging. They are just overpriced VWs...!

SiGGy

whoops!

Although, I don't get the sarcasm. I think the joke was clear, but he really did not know Chrysler is owned my Daimler technically. Although it was a "merger of equals" so to speak. They are not equal.

pimpin-tl

They been at dealers the last two weeks.

FastAcura

BMWs are just overpriced minis (even the bikes)

CLpower

most "real" wood is fake as they paint, add plastic, etc

SiGGy

Show me the M5, M3, M6 and 760IL equivalents... Sorry but BMW focuses on Driver feedback and balance in their vehicles. Honda (Acura) / Toyota (lexus) / MB could learn a few things from them. Over priced? Sure if your idea of driving perfection is a lofty Cadillac or huge SUV you'll never understand BMW. If your seeking balance, performance, driver feedback it's pretty hard to find besides looking at BMW. BMW incorporates all of those qualities into all of their vehicles.

Crazy Bimmer

Siggy, he was joking too.

dom

I have to believe FastAcura simply forgot the red text with that post.

SiGGy

Where was the red text this time?

LOL, I give up in this thread.



Maybe it's because I turned 30 today, my oldfartness is starting

Yumcha

SiGGy getting by sarcasm...







I was darn serious about my Aston Martin and Lambo comments tho. Serious.

SiGGy

Unless you know the people your talking with personally, speaking sarcasm online without really identifying it is pretty stupid. And on an online forum with 1000's of people...

This is like the AIM/Y!/MSN chat people who type their own language and expect everyone else to know what their made up acronyms mean.

lol, as I said earlier. I give up!

pimpin-tl

Except the G35 or M35/45.

dom

Happy B-Day

SiGGy

They don't come close.

Frank Zappa

I agree. After spending two weeks in a M I was so sick of the interior. That orange color is terrible. And the interior just became stale really fast.

SiGGy

thanks! hehe, I think my brain is on a holiday today

SiGGy

I was speaking from a 100% performance and options available stance.

I try not to include personal preference. As color/shape/interior design are all subject to personal opinion. And really anything can win when your talking personal preference on aesthetics. One thing I've learned being on this board is no one ever agrees 100% on looks.

srika

yeah that totally sucks.. why cant i get like, an untouched, unadultered sweet old slab of maple tree bark across my dash... maybe some termites for an added "authenticness"...

edit: note to SiGGy: im being sarcastic and, happy bday

csmeance

happy B-day siggy the brainfarts don't come unitl later, ur just still drunk from the partying going on...

pimpin-tl

Really? The M35/M45 beat the BMW in the most recent tests. The new G35 hasn't been tested but the old one was on par with the 3 series.

pimpin-tl

Btw, C&D test of the 07 G35..

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...6mt-sedan.html

I also like what they say about it here:

MARK GILLIES
BMW casts a long shadow over every contender in the near-luxury segment. But the G35 now makes a fine case for itself against the 3-series, especially as it is likely to be cheaper. The G35 also brings up another comparison, to wit: Why on earth would one buy a Lexus IS350? The Lexus isn’t appreciably quicker, doesn’t look as good, and is a fairly anodyne driving experience, whereas the G35 is a very soulful machine. The Lexus has a more beautifully wrought interior than the G35’s (much improved) cabin, but that’s about its only advantage. In short, Infiniti does a much better job of being the Japanese luxury brand that makes cars we want to drive.

SiGGy

If you re-read my earlier posts you'll see I said...

M3, M5, M6, 760IL...

Your not even on the same page as I am...

Don't you feel a little silly comparing flag-ship cars to non-flagship BMWs? The cars listed above are the flag-ship BMWs. Although I know there isn't a 4 door M3 made in the e46 series, there will be on the new M3. It will be out very soon...

p.s.

The 335I is an amazing car for the $$ and not mentioned in that article. With minor mods the car has already seen almost 400hp.

cob3683

The old G35 was not on "par" with the 3-series.

I'll jump into the fire and say, while the new G will be a fantastic car, it still won't "beat" the 3-series.

pimpin-tl

The old G35 was very close to the 3 series where it left it to be the driver in handling. I use to race my G35 at Motor Sport Ranch, TMS, etc and I passed BMW's, including M3s. The older E36 body style BMW's were the better handling ones, not the newer 3 series.

TMQ

Not sure where the posts are going...

but I did read the news that Toyota chiefs claim to want to get over quality issues. I haven't sat in a '07 camry yet, but at least from the outside it definitely looks better than the current accord.

Lexus vehicles always rate the best or nearly the best in reliability scores by a number of auto related services. The news/fact is that Lexus allows a much lower number of defects than a Toyota for its parts etc. However, there doesn't seemt be any obvious differentiation between Acura and Honda quality - at least not from the likes of JD power etc.

Its flagship LS sedan does a great job of attracting the buyers in that segment, and such customers are obviously very satisfied, looking at the sales number. Can't say the same thing about Acura or Infiniti.

The reputation of Lexus comes from more than the vehicles. Marketing is light years ahead of Acura. Dealers are more carefully chosen (well reported) than Acura dealers.

I personally don't like the styling of the current Lexus vehicles - BWMs and Acuras are much better IMO. Agile road manner is important to me, and it's probably not surprising that Lexus GS and IS didn't sell that well historically until recently.

If BMW improves reliability and interior, and Acura improves the brand image and the flagship vehicle, it'll be a fantastic situation for us the consumers.

oonowindoo

True. None of infiniti/lexus/acura can touch M3/m5 for now

But the new GTR(nissan) will be just as good as any of those cars in terms of overall performance. Including E90/92 M3.

Then again I will take S550/E55/CLS63 over 760/750
Then again i will take G35C over 325/330. * i have... 3 times*
335> Current G

then again i will take M35/M45 over 525/530
Now 550 > M

Current Q sucks.
Still current M3/m5 owns all
So yes Infiniti doesnt come close compare to M3 m5 and 7 series but it is right there with rest of regular 3 series and 5 series. and I KNOW how they are. i am a sponsor on M3forum... i sell M3 parts for a living.

SiGGy

Sorry, but given equal drivers a E46 M3 would hand a G35 it's ass around a road course. We are comparing *CARS* not drivers.

Here's a true story... I raced a 1998 C5 corvette in my 01 CLS and beat it, does that prove anything about the cars? No! Would I ever use it in an argument like your trying to do. No! Why? Because I am not that naive... not to mention the C5 driver simply fucked up when we launched. It doesn't mean a 01CLS is faster than a 1998 C5.

Since your good at digging up articles and magazine racing, dig up one that compares any of the *FLAGSHIP* BMW's against any Infinity...

To remind you they are: M3, M5, M6, 760IL

Until the day you return with the comparison article (not anytime soon) realize that BMW > Infinity.

Sure you might be able to get slightly more for your money given equally equipped cars with the Infinity, but they don't offer anything like what BMW offers. Period.

You can get more luxury options and superior performance from BMW if you want it. BMW sets the pace, Infinity is trying to catch up (and just about everyone else)... Plus when you price out BMW vs Infinity you need to add a few things in. BMW includes ALL service up until your warranty has expired. And resale value... You'll get that bit extra you spent on the BMW when you sell it.

phile

Please, Siggy, it's Infinti...

SiGGy

Oh ya, I agree 100% I even have my own different preferences. I am strictly saying who's top dog. And really when you purchase a vehicle a lot of things come into play... Aesthetics, pricing, availability, price to service, interior space, standard options, colors, performance, stereo... And depending on the person any one of those variables can weigh heavily against their decision to buy. It's simply personal preference at that point and NO ONE can say what's the best for you besides yourself.

One man's constipation is another man's climax

SiGGy

Sorry, habit of typing a product name I work on And a combination of the spell checker built into this browser. Obviously the Japanese don't know how to spell

I'm well aware of how it's spelled. Although it's a moot point to bring up. I'll try and spell it correctly from here on out now that I'm thinking about it. Just for you!

So thank you Phile!

phile

Just a personal pet peeve of mine.

SiGGy

I have many myself, hence responding to this thread. So I can totally understand

I just added it into my dictionary file, so it shouldn't happen anymore

FastAcura

I was serious




JK, as a former BMW owner, I know what you're (Siggy) talking about. It's just stupid to call something "an overpriced (insert car here.)"

I just passed the 100K mark in the Lexus, and the leather and everything else looks better than the CL-S did at 40K miles. It's pretty amazing how the material is holding up after 7 years. Some people even thought that it was brand new when I first got it.

pimpin-tl

Trust me they can not. A M3 instructor DROVE my G35 and was completely amazed. He said it felt light, it went where he turned and it was very controlable. His car is heavy and he said it doesn't feel like this. He drove my G35 and melted its brakes literally. But he passed other M3's and even a few Vettes on the Instructor laps (which is when all the instructors race). But a E36 M3 passed us. The E46 is not as good as you think. Don't assume. You don't own one, you just talking from other peoples experiences. Plus, the M3 stock vs my REVUP G35 with MREV mod, could barely pull on my G35.

I even had it on video.

GreenMonster

<--- I drive a pimped out accord...

SiGGy

OMFG

1st you think you know where my ideas and thoughts are coming from? My 1st set of personal advice to you is DO NOT become a psychic. You suck at it, in fact you haven't a clue...

And...

Comparing a modified G35 to a Stock one. That's an awesome comparison. Tell ya what, go race a 335i with the ECU reflash upgrade it's only a $500 mod (but equates to 395hp, 405 ft/lbs torque @ crank). And let me know how it turns out... it's just a minor mod. We were comparing STOCK vs. STOCK!! Do I need to write it in different languages for it to sink in? Not to mention you lost anyway...

Lastly, my friend auto crosses his car (e46 M3) all the time has passed many G35's on the track. And he has also driven both... He even says the turn-in on the G35 isn't what the E46 is... So what does that say?

And yes, the e36 does handle better. I knew that LONG before getting into this conversation. It doesn't nullify the reality that the E46 out performs a G35 by a good margin.

The G35 has been track tested by a lot of professional automotive people. ALL of the data shows the G35 isn't anywhere near a E46 M3 on the track.

And FINALLY, STOP comparing drivers dude.... I figured my C5 corvette analogy would have been CLUE enough for you but you're obviously thick headed. Drivers skill varies a lot between people and cars. Hell some professional drivers can't drive high end cars (Ferrari, Porsche) good, but they can drive F1 like a bat out of hell. It all depends on your style and your ability... and what your body connects with naturally.

I'm glad you believe that since one driver you know can pass other (god only knows how they are skilled) M3 drivers you think the G35 performs better. Do some actual research using external performance data you'll find it's not.

If what you were saying was true, there would be "M3 killer" articles being written. Where are they? Are *you* the only one who knows the G35 is faster? Maybe all of the professional testers are in the dark on this... ya that's it You should write letters to them and let them in on your breakthrough.

When the G35 loses about 250+lbs and gains 60hp (200+ lbs & 40hp on the 07) it'll come closer to the E46 M3...

But thats with the soon to be outdated E46 M3, the new M3 is right around the corner... Who knows what that will unleash.

FastAcura

Wow, what has the world come to now. Now people are comparing G35s to E46 M3...

pimpin-tl

autocross is not roadrace. And MREV kit is just a modified Intake track.

What specs shows the E46 out handles the G35 by a large margin? Please show THEM. It isn't that large. And stop letting the BMW go to your HEAD. Yes BMW makes some great handling cars, but the G35 is definitely not that far behind like you make it seem. Good tires, sway bars puts the G35 right with the M3. I have done lots of research. Obviousky you haven't. Instead you want to have a e-thug arguement.

G35 6mt at least mine ran 13.7 at 103 mph. E46 M3 runs right around the same. EOD.


And talk to the kettle.

FastAcura

Haha, please sign off right now. There are stock M3s who have broken into the 12s and trap quite a few mph more than you. And let's see the slips of you running a 13.7 with a stock G35.

Once again, you are comparing apples to oranges.