Keep 2012 TL AWD or purchase new Accord?
#41
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That's a nonsense request. One - There's NO WAY to prove it. Two - I'm pretty sure the Hellcat has quite a bit more HP. Three - you haven't been paying attention for at least five years if you haven't seen all the crazy-fast track times the GT-R has put down despite all the perceived limitations.
Then, learn that a Z06 does it in 3.6s while that big fat Datsun does it in 3.9s.
'Enough said.
#42
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Never mind the 918, right?
Never mind the P1, right?
Never mind the Veyron, right?
Never mind the R8 V10 Plus, right?
Never mind the 991 911 Turbo, right?
Shall I go on?
ETA: I prefer RWD, but I'm not dumb enough to say what...well...Saintor said.
Last edited by ttribe; 09-17-2015 at 08:15 PM.
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1killercls (09-21-2015)
#43
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That's nice. If you think the sole measure of performance is in a straight-line, then more power to you.
Never mind the 918, right? VW/Audi group *check* and *see below*
Never mind the P1, right? *see below*
Never mind the Veyron, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Never mind the R8 V10 Plus, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Never mind the 991 911 Turbo, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Shall I go on?
Never mind the 918, right? VW/Audi group *check* and *see below*
Never mind the P1, right? *see below*
Never mind the Veyron, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Never mind the R8 V10 Plus, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Never mind the 991 911 Turbo, right? VW/Audi group *check*
Shall I go on?
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#45
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#47
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If ttribe is making noise.... then my posts are noisier noise..?
you have so much patience ttribe.. I commend you for that
you have so much patience ttribe.. I commend you for that
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ttribe (09-17-2015)
#49
GEEZER
What's that saying..."Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Older guys like him are set on their ways
Also cmon guys, trust him when he says AWD is dead weight.. he's an expert at dead weight... you know being it and all
Older guys like him are set on their ways
Also cmon guys, trust him when he says AWD is dead weight.. he's an expert at dead weight... you know being it and all
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#52
Ex-OEM King
How did I miss out on this fun?
Oh, stop being a dumb-*ss.
AWD has nowhere the magic virtue that most innocents think that it has. I'll agree that most people who have AWD think it makes then invincible but the benefits are clearly present.
One of the most over-hyped gimmick in which people literally WASTE their money.
Yeah if I was racing a 650HP Fiesta, I'd want it. Or in a location with winters and many hills. There are many locations on this planet that have both many hills and winters. Sometimes both at the same time!
But for most applications, it is just a dead weight.
Cops don't order their Charger with AWD. They know that it is just what it is, a waste of money and a dead weight. You're right, they order Ford Explorer Interceptors which come with, you guessed it, AWD. No cops around here drive Chargers. All Explorer or AWD Taurus.
Except a few luxo-barges, M-cars don't have AWD. ...except for the X5M and X6M right? How about the M550d? Next gen M5 is going to be AWD. Most AMG models are AWD only.
Mustangs, Camaros, 805HP Challenger and Corvette don't have it. So? Neither does the Accord or Civic. What's your point?
Even the world's utter sedan, the cost no object Mercedes S600 Maybach doesn't have it. If there was a company that would believe that AWD increases a car's safety for literally peanuts (3K$), that would be Mercedes, mmmm? AWD does not increase a car's safety, this is where you're going all kiddywampus on us. Also the S63 and S550 both come with AWD.
Start thinking with your brain, not with your girlie emotions.
AWD has nowhere the magic virtue that most innocents think that it has. I'll agree that most people who have AWD think it makes then invincible but the benefits are clearly present.
One of the most over-hyped gimmick in which people literally WASTE their money.
Yeah if I was racing a 650HP Fiesta, I'd want it. Or in a location with winters and many hills. There are many locations on this planet that have both many hills and winters. Sometimes both at the same time!
But for most applications, it is just a dead weight.
Cops don't order their Charger with AWD. They know that it is just what it is, a waste of money and a dead weight. You're right, they order Ford Explorer Interceptors which come with, you guessed it, AWD. No cops around here drive Chargers. All Explorer or AWD Taurus.
Except a few luxo-barges, M-cars don't have AWD. ...except for the X5M and X6M right? How about the M550d? Next gen M5 is going to be AWD. Most AMG models are AWD only.
Mustangs, Camaros, 805HP Challenger and Corvette don't have it. So? Neither does the Accord or Civic. What's your point?
Even the world's utter sedan, the cost no object Mercedes S600 Maybach doesn't have it. If there was a company that would believe that AWD increases a car's safety for literally peanuts (3K$), that would be Mercedes, mmmm? AWD does not increase a car's safety, this is where you're going all kiddywampus on us. Also the S63 and S550 both come with AWD.
Start thinking with your brain, not with your girlie emotions.
As to the M3/4, I suspect (but don't know) that they've decided to maintain a more "tail-happy" driving experience as well as weight reduction.
As to Audi/VW/Bentley, I suspect their racing heritage with AWD vehicles speaks for itself (Audi as won how many Le Mans titles?).
I forgot to mention the various AWD Porsche models, including the 918.
There's also the P1 that is AWD.
Tesla Model S P85+ has an AWD option.
The GT-R is AWD.
Some people like AWD from both a performance and safety standpoint. It certainly changes the dynamics of the vehicle. I don't happen to want one specifically, but I can see its advantages for certain types of driving. In short, your universal dismissal of AWD as an enhancement to all vehicles in all situations is nonsense. Not that you'll admit that you overreached and were wrong to do so. In all the years of watching you post on two boards, I've never seen you admit an error; I don't suppose you'll surprise me now.
As to Audi/VW/Bentley, I suspect their racing heritage with AWD vehicles speaks for itself (Audi as won how many Le Mans titles?).
I forgot to mention the various AWD Porsche models, including the 918.
There's also the P1 that is AWD.
Tesla Model S P85+ has an AWD option.
The GT-R is AWD.
Some people like AWD from both a performance and safety standpoint. It certainly changes the dynamics of the vehicle. I don't happen to want one specifically, but I can see its advantages for certain types of driving. In short, your universal dismissal of AWD as an enhancement to all vehicles in all situations is nonsense. Not that you'll admit that you overreached and were wrong to do so. In all the years of watching you post on two boards, I've never seen you admit an error; I don't suppose you'll surprise me now.
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#54
I drive a Subata.
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Yep. And the reason why 918 is always faster around the tracks than P1 is actually 918 is AWD.
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So is OP keeping it, or nah?
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I drive a Subata.
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#58
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Way to completely thread jack the op's post lol.
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I drive a Subata.
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I love the rainy days in LA... because that means I can take my wife's Avant up to ACH canyon run at night. AWD works like magic for the right situations
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1killercls (09-21-2015)
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I've driven the new Accord (doesnt do it for me after owning 2 acuras, but does get you from point A to B)...and drove the tlx for a week as a loaner car...Tlx initial experience wasnt all that great compared to the tl shawd. Felt like I was in a Buick, Just didnt feel like a 40,000$ car, but dont get me wrong...driving dynamic its a beast! You could always get another tl (pre certified base model) with roughly 30,000 miles for 23k.
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