Originally Posted by ttribe

That's a nonsense request. One - There's NO WAY to prove it. Two - I'm pretty sure the Hellcat has quite a bit more HP. Three - you haven't been paying attention for at least five years if you haven't seen all the crazy-fast track times the GT-R has put down despite all the perceived limitations.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Well then there is the turbo cheating. The best way to avoid that non-sense is comparing 5-60mph, from idle.

Then, learn that a Z06 does it in 3.6s while that big fat Datsun does it in 3.9s.

'Enough said.

Originally Posted by ttribe

That's nice. If you think the sole measure of performance is in a straight-line, then more power to you.

Never mind the 918, right? VW/Audi group *check* and *see below*

Never mind the P1, right? *see below*

Never mind the Veyron, right? VW/Audi group *check*

Never mind the R8 V10 Plus, right? VW/Audi group *check*

Never mind the 991 911 Turbo, right? VW/Audi group *check*

Shall I go on?

Originally Posted by Saintor

Certainly. Did I say VW/Audi? And you forgot some. As for the P1 as well as 918, you have to thank more electrical immediacy than AWD.

Originally Posted by ttribe

It's true. You actually do lack the ability to admit your mistakes.

Originally Posted by Saintor

You actually do lack the skill to support your position in a convincing manner. You are just making noise, like the other kids.

Originally Posted by thoiboi

What's that saying..."Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"
Older guys like him are set on their ways


Also cmon guys, trust him when he says AWD is dead weight.. he's an expert at dead weight... you know being it and all

Originally Posted by Saintor

You actually do lack the skill to support your position in a convincing manner. You are just making noise, like the other kids.

Originally Posted by 1killercls

You got run out of R&P and you will get run out of here too...

Originally Posted by Saintor

At 80K for 21K$, ditch it.

AWD is a dead weight anyway. Get her a nice 2016 TLX 2.4 FWD.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Oh, stop being a dumb-*ss.

AWD has nowhere the magic virtue that most innocents think that it has. I'll agree that most people who have AWD think it makes then invincible but the benefits are clearly present.

One of the most over-hyped gimmick in which people literally WASTE their money.

Yeah if I was racing a 650HP Fiesta, I'd want it. Or in a location with winters and many hills. There are many locations on this planet that have both many hills and winters. Sometimes both at the same time!

But for most applications, it is just a dead weight.

Cops don't order their Charger with AWD. They know that it is just what it is, a waste of money and a dead weight. You're right, they order Ford Explorer Interceptors which come with, you guessed it, AWD. No cops around here drive Chargers. All Explorer or AWD Taurus.

Except a few luxo-barges, M-cars don't have AWD. ...except for the X5M and X6M right? How about the M550d? Next gen M5 is going to be AWD. Most AMG models are AWD only.

Mustangs, Camaros, 805HP Challenger and Corvette don't have it. So? Neither does the Accord or Civic. What's your point?

Even the world's utter sedan, the cost no object Mercedes S600 Maybach doesn't have it. If there was a company that would believe that AWD increases a car's safety for literally peanuts (3K$), that would be Mercedes, mmmm? AWD does not increase a car's safety, this is where you're going all kiddywampus on us. Also the S63 and S550 both come with AWD.

Start thinking with your brain, not with your girlie emotions.

Originally Posted by ttribe

As to the M3/4, I suspect (but don't know) that they've decided to maintain a more "tail-happy" driving experience as well as weight reduction.

As to Audi/VW/Bentley, I suspect their racing heritage with AWD vehicles speaks for itself (Audi as won how many Le Mans titles?).

I forgot to mention the various AWD Porsche models, including the 918.

There's also the P1 that is AWD.

Tesla Model S P85+ has an AWD option.

The GT-R is AWD.

Some people like AWD from both a performance and safety standpoint. It certainly changes the dynamics of the vehicle. I don't happen to want one specifically, but I can see its advantages for certain types of driving. In short, your universal dismissal of AWD as an enhancement to all vehicles in all situations is nonsense. Not that you'll admit that you overreached and were wrong to do so. In all the years of watching you post on two boards, I've never seen you admit an error; I don't suppose you'll surprise me now.

Originally Posted by SamDoe1

How did I miss out on this fun?





I fully support all your arguments...but the P1 is actually RWD...

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Yep. And the reason why 918 is always faster around the tracks than P1 is actually 918 is AWD.

Originally Posted by SamDoe1

Depends on the track. But either way, AWD is by no meals "dead weight" lol. There's a distinct reason for having it.

Originally Posted by honda_nut

Way to completely thread jack the op's post lol.

Originally Posted by honda_nut

Way to completely thread jack the op's post lol.

Originally Posted by SamDoe1

Depends on the track. But either way, AWD is by no meals "dead weight" lol. There's a distinct reason for having it.