JS + TL: Dilemma
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Supertrooper!
When you get a chance, can you photoshop my first picture on the above? like black out everything except for the headlight? gill part in the middle, foglight shrouds, and emblem?
Thanks!
btw, just past 1000 miles yesterday... I went WOT on the freeway... 4th gear is really scary fast...
1st through 2nd, the car feels like it's trying to grab the road.. maybe it's the shitty stock tires? too much torque on the front wheels?
When you get a chance, can you photoshop my first picture on the above? like black out everything except for the headlight? gill part in the middle, foglight shrouds, and emblem?
Thanks!
btw, just past 1000 miles yesterday... I went WOT on the freeway... 4th gear is really scary fast...
1st through 2nd, the car feels like it's trying to grab the road.. maybe it's the shitty stock tires? too much torque on the front wheels?
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Yes, in the US, the Avant is only available in Quattro form. She got the Premium Plus with Sport Package and Navigation!

It really looks beautiful.. but my Speed3 is faster!
Your girlfriend will be happy with her car, as long as she doesn't try to race you :P
Is that the one that has the 2.0T?
And the "grabbing the road" feeling is probably torque steer. 280 lb.ft of torque in a FWD car is stupid. Stupid fun, that is
Is that the one that has the 2.0T?
And the "grabbing the road" feeling is probably torque steer. 280 lb.ft of torque in a FWD car is stupid. Stupid fun, that is
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Thanks!
She wants to race me.
Anyway, yeah its the one with the 2.0T. Audi discontinued the V6 model for the A4. Its V6 just couldn't match the numbers of its cheaper variant. So they just killed it. Great move imo. And these new A4s have 250 TQ, which is a great improvement over the B7s I think.
I thought torque steer only happens when I'm exiting the corner @ WOT.
Anyway, yeah its the one with the 2.0T. Audi discontinued the V6 model for the A4. Its V6 just couldn't match the numbers of its cheaper variant. So they just killed it. Great move imo. And these new A4s have 250 TQ, which is a great improvement over the B7s I think.I thought torque steer only happens when I'm exiting the corner @ WOT.
Thanks!
She wants to race me.
Anyway, yeah its the one with the 2.0T. Audi discontinued the V6 model for the A4. Its V6 just couldn't match the numbers of its cheaper variant. So they just killed it. Great move imo. And these new A4s have 250 TQ, which is a great improvement over the B7s I think.
I thought torque steer only happens when I'm exiting the corner @ WOT.
She wants to race me.
Anyway, yeah its the one with the 2.0T. Audi discontinued the V6 model for the A4. Its V6 just couldn't match the numbers of its cheaper variant. So they just killed it. Great move imo. And these new A4s have 250 TQ, which is a great improvement over the B7s I think.I thought torque steer only happens when I'm exiting the corner @ WOT.
damn, wish they didn't. I'd love to get a V6 Avant. Or an S4 Avant. Or an RS4 Avant 
didn't know they were that torquey. That's pretty good, in that case I guess the V6 is useless.I think torque steer happens whenever you apply heavy throttle in the lower gears with a FWD car with lots of torque. Basically engine sending more power to one wheel than another, thus letting the torque "steer" the car.
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damn, wish they didn't. I'd love to get a V6 Avant. Or an S4 Avant. Or an RS4 Avant 
didn't know they were that torquey. That's pretty good, in that case I guess the V6 is useless.I think torque steer happens whenever you apply heavy throttle in the lower gears with a FWD car with lots of torque. Basically engine sending more power to one wheel than another, thus letting the torque "steer" the car.
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^ 2.0T engines are great at putting out big torque numbers I think...
My MS3 is rated at 280tq stock....
Over at the mazdaspeedforum.org, this guy dynoed his stock 2nd gen MS3 on a mustang dyno and got 270wtq.. so.. that's a lot in a stock form.
I have to do some more research on how to increase horsepower numbers though.. I'm still very newbish on these turbocharged 2.0 litre engines.
It's funny though. My two best friends also just bought new cars. 2009 GTI and 2010 WRX. I bought my 2010 Mazdaspeed3. My girlfriend just picked up 2010 A4 Avant.
So.. total four 2.0T cars.. should be fun huh?
My MS3 is rated at 280tq stock....
Over at the mazdaspeedforum.org, this guy dynoed his stock 2nd gen MS3 on a mustang dyno and got 270wtq.. so.. that's a lot in a stock form.
I have to do some more research on how to increase horsepower numbers though.. I'm still very newbish on these turbocharged 2.0 litre engines.
It's funny though. My two best friends also just bought new cars. 2009 GTI and 2010 WRX. I bought my 2010 Mazdaspeed3. My girlfriend just picked up 2010 A4 Avant.
So.. total four 2.0T cars.. should be fun huh?
Supertrooper!
When you get a chance, can you photoshop my first picture on the above? like black out everything except for the headlight? gill part in the middle, foglight shrouds, and emblem?
Thanks!
btw, just past 1000 miles yesterday... I went WOT on the freeway... 4th gear is really scary fast...
1st through 2nd, the car feels like it's trying to grab the road.. maybe it's the shitty stock tires? too much torque on the front wheels?
When you get a chance, can you photoshop my first picture on the above? like black out everything except for the headlight? gill part in the middle, foglight shrouds, and emblem?
Thanks!
btw, just past 1000 miles yesterday... I went WOT on the freeway... 4th gear is really scary fast...
1st through 2nd, the car feels like it's trying to grab the road.. maybe it's the shitty stock tires? too much torque on the front wheels?
looks like you're well on your minor modding ways. I'd love to see one with a different grille (if possible) and blackhoused headlights.
But good luck keeping it clean man.
But good luck keeping it clean man.
mayeb you guys talked about this in the last 10 pages but what is the potential of this motor? I haven't heard anything really about these beside the factory specs. Is there potential to go more in HP and is it safe to go more in HP?
I got 275/287 out of my previous gen MS3.
That's relative but the +25hp/+32tq was definitely legit. The thing was fast as snot in a straight line if you were moving. Going fast around a turn would put you in the woods though. FWD
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However, between 350-400+, I read some horror stories.
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Intake and Catback should go +25/25 easy ...
I got 275/287 out of my previous gen MS3.
That's relative but the +25hp/+32tq was definitely legit. The thing was fast as snot in a straight line if you were moving. Going fast around a turn would put you in the woods though. FWD
I got 275/287 out of my previous gen MS3.
That's relative but the +25hp/+32tq was definitely legit. The thing was fast as snot in a straight line if you were moving. Going fast around a turn would put you in the woods though. FWD

Acceleration never was an issue for the 1st MS3s, it was the handling that fell short.
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I have a question.
So.. couple days ago, I met up with my friend who drives MKV GTI manual. We swapped out cars and went to drive a little for fun. He was in front of me going WOT, I followed it. And there was some black smoke coming out of my exhaust pipes for like less than .5 second. I think that's when he went WOT. Is it normal for turbocharged cars?
btw, GTIs are fun to drive...
It's like a gentlemen version of my MS3.
My car just smiles like a dumbass.
So.. couple days ago, I met up with my friend who drives MKV GTI manual. We swapped out cars and went to drive a little for fun. He was in front of me going WOT, I followed it. And there was some black smoke coming out of my exhaust pipes for like less than .5 second. I think that's when he went WOT. Is it normal for turbocharged cars?
btw, GTIs are fun to drive...
It's like a gentlemen version of my MS3. My car just smiles like a dumbass.
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I had forgotten about it until you said something.
You have to be careful because of the high compression.
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^ Yeah, some people just do too much of modifications and end up popping their rods and crap.
They call it Zoom Zoom Boom
I'll be alright though. I'll probably just put intake, TBE(maybe), inlet, BPV, and AP. That's it.
They call it Zoom Zoom Boom

I'll be alright though. I'll probably just put intake, TBE(maybe), inlet, BPV, and AP. That's it.
Yeah, this is why Mazda decided to put the 1st generation MS3 engine into the 2nd generation virtually untouched. They focused a lot on the handling characteristics. Now, the average slalom number for the 2nd gen MS3 is 72 mph+!
Acceleration never was an issue for the 1st MS3s, it was the handling that fell short.
Acceleration never was an issue for the 1st MS3s, it was the handling that fell short.


















