Interesting fix...
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Interesting fix...
So I've been having a pesky problem with my 335. After sitting at a light and then letting my foot off the brake, the car would "lurch" forward. It feels like someone tapped my rear bumper.
So I took the car in today, thinking it was a brake issue. I rode around with the technician, replicated the problem, and he said he knew of a bulletin that would fix it.
Probing more into that, he said it was a computer programming issue, not a mechanical issue. I was absolutely floored. I couldn't believe that an issue that felt mechanical, could be resolved by a computer reprogram.
So digging around, I found the bulletin. Goes to show how much people can work on their cars....
I B 24 03 08
Automatic Transmission July 2008
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 03 08 dated June 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
335i, 535i with N54 and 6HP19TU - Jolt and Delay when Pulling Away
MODEL
E90, E92, E93 (335i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 12/06 up to 09/07
E60, E61 (535i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07 up to 03/08
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and can not be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC – Neutral Idle Control calibration)
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
* On E9x vehicles – E89X-07-06-520 or lower
* On E6x vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (target levels are E89X-07-09-518 or E060-08-03-510, respectively, for E9x and E6x vehicles).
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
So I took the car in today, thinking it was a brake issue. I rode around with the technician, replicated the problem, and he said he knew of a bulletin that would fix it.
Probing more into that, he said it was a computer programming issue, not a mechanical issue. I was absolutely floored. I couldn't believe that an issue that felt mechanical, could be resolved by a computer reprogram.
So digging around, I found the bulletin. Goes to show how much people can work on their cars....
I B 24 03 08
Automatic Transmission July 2008
Technical Service
This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B24 03 08 dated June 2008.
designates changes to this revision
SUBJECT
335i, 535i with N54 and 6HP19TU - Jolt and Delay when Pulling Away
MODEL
E90, E92, E93 (335i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 12/06 up to 09/07
E60, E61 (535i) with N54 and 6HP19TU from 03/07 up to 03/08
SITUATION
The customer may complain of a delayed engagement and a harsh jolt when accelerating from a stop.
The situation occurs only during the engine warm-up phase (cold engine), and can not be reproduced in the Sport Mode.
CAUSE
EGS software (unfavorable NIC – Neutral Idle Control calibration)
SOLUTION
On a customer complaint basis only, check the vehicle's integration level.
If the integration level is:
* On E9x vehicles – E89X-07-06-520 or lower
* On E6x vehicles - E060-07-09-530 or lower
Reprogram and recode the complete vehicle with a current Progman version (target levels are E89X-07-09-518 or E060-08-03-510, respectively, for E9x and E6x vehicles).
WARRANTY INFORMATION
Covered under the terms of the BMW New Vehicle Limited Warranty.
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http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186936
I notice it often, but it doesn't really bother me.
That damn lunging at stop lights bothers me more.
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Cool, thanks.
I just called and asked, and the CA didn't know what I was getting but was aware of the issue. He did say that more than likely if my car qualifies (goes by VIN), I'll get the software update.
After thinking about it, I have noticed sometimes when I put the pedal down it did take a bit for the car to go. But once it goes... Damn.
I just called and asked, and the CA didn't know what I was getting but was aware of the issue. He did say that more than likely if my car qualifies (goes by VIN), I'll get the software update.
After thinking about it, I have noticed sometimes when I put the pedal down it did take a bit for the car to go. But once it goes... Damn.
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B. When they DID respond they basically belittled the complaints as those from only "sensitive drivers." Why not just call us "a$$holes who complained"?? When the little driving nuances work in FAVOR of BMW, they call it "precision" and the "Ultimate Driving Machine." When they work AGAINST BMW, they call US "sensitive drivers."
Some men are born a$$holes, some achieve a$$holeness, and some have a$$holeness thrust upon them".
Don't forgot to check if there's an oil cooler as well, and bitch to get one installed if there isn't:
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=196046
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not too happy about software controlling a lot of the cars these days. It really makes it hard to diagnose the problem. Especially when you are trained one way and a computer can simulate the same problem with a glitch or old software.
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It has nothing to due with drive by wire, which BMW has been using for nearly a decade now. It has everything to due with software. BMW has had quite a few driveabilty complaints since the introduction of 6 speeds transmissions. Mostly with the GM6 transmsission in X3 3.0SI, but also a few in 3 series. Ones such as scrib described. The fix for all of these are software updates of the transmission control module (EGS as BMW calls it).
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It has nothing to due with drive by wire, which BMW has been using for nearly a decade now. It has everything to due with software. BMW has had quite a few driveabilty complaints since the introduction of 6 speeds transmissions. Mostly with the GM6 transmsission in X3 3.0SI, but also a few in 3 series. Ones such as scrib described. The fix for all of these are software updates of the transmission control module (EGS as BMW calls it).
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Must you correct me in front of my people.
I didnt know that, i stopped paying attention since i got rid of the 335i. What they replace it with?
Since you here, should i bother having the dealer look at my "ticking" issue on the 328i engine? Or is it too common/normal?
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Must you correct me in front of my people.
I didnt know that, i stopped paying attention since i got rid of the 335i. What they replace it with?
Since you here, should i bother having the dealer look at my "ticking" issue on the 328i engine? Or is it too common/normal?
I didnt know that, i stopped paying attention since i got rid of the 335i. What they replace it with?
Since you here, should i bother having the dealer look at my "ticking" issue on the 328i engine? Or is it too common/normal?
Its common, but they can fix it. First they do a "bleeding" procedure which is where the rev the engine to 2500-3000 RPM at idle for 2-3 minute intervals until the noise goes away. Then if its still present, the cylinder head gets replaced. I wouldn't do the bleed procedure yourself though. Take it in so the issue is documented. That way if you need a head, it should be a bit easier for them to get approval from BMW.
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so i've been having a pesky problem with my 335. After sitting at a light and then letting my foot off the brake, the car would "lurch" forward. It feels like someone tapped my rear bumper.
So i took the car in today, thinking it was a brake issue. I rode around with the technician, replicated the problem, and he said he knew of a bulletin that would fix it.
So i took the car in today, thinking it was a brake issue. I rode around with the technician, replicated the problem, and he said he knew of a bulletin that would fix it.
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Its common, but they can fix it. First they do a "bleeding" procedure which is where the rev the engine to 2500-3000 RPM at idle for 2-3 minute intervals until the noise goes away. Then if its still present, the cylinder head gets replaced. I wouldn't do the bleed procedure yourself though. Take it in so the issue is documented. That way if you need a head, it should be a bit easier for them to get approval from BMW.
Is it an issue though? I mean the ticking doesnt really bother me but i will get it checked out if its a danger to my engine.
Just hope there arent more issues if they replace the head.
Yuppie, yes for clients. Granted the rear seats are still a joke but it gets the job done.
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The one thing I miss about the CL is the power sliding front seats when you shove someone in the rear - I loved that. You would think BMW would have done this by now... all we get is a dumb button I have to hold down so it moves... I kinda prefer the mechanical double-hinged mechanism in the e46 over that...
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All of our diagnostic and programming functions are now run off the ISIS servers. ISTA-P is the iTool used for programming and ISIDs are the diagnostic tablets. Both now use ICOMs as the vehicle interface. Its like mac hell with all these new names.
Its common, but they can fix it. First they do a "bleeding" procedure which is where the rev the engine to 2500-3000 RPM at idle for 2-3 minute intervals until the noise goes away. Then if its still present, the cylinder head gets replaced. I wouldn't do the bleed procedure yourself though. Take it in so the issue is documented. That way if you need a head, it should be a bit easier for them to get approval from BMW.
Its common, but they can fix it. First they do a "bleeding" procedure which is where the rev the engine to 2500-3000 RPM at idle for 2-3 minute intervals until the noise goes away. Then if its still present, the cylinder head gets replaced. I wouldn't do the bleed procedure yourself though. Take it in so the issue is documented. That way if you need a head, it should be a bit easier for them to get approval from BMW.
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Did you get the turbo lag fix?
I do have a 2009 328i w/ x-drive. Its nice, bigger elephant side mirrors though...
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Persuit of twin turbo
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it's ongoing... seems some people are finally getting 32.2, supposedly correcting the problem (or at least that some have claimed)
I'm having a hard time following that thread.
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