I checked out the new GTO!
#41
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Originally posted by phil2
http://www.ls1gto.com/movies/BMRGTO.wmv
here is an actual us gto with minimal mods and only 100 shot.....
http://www.ls1gto.com/movies/BMRGTO.wmv
here is an actual us gto with minimal mods and only 100 shot.....
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So a GTO sucks over a CL because a Cl has HID's, a Sunroof, Navigation, decent fuel economy and reliability.
Lets think about this...
CLS has worst automatic transmission known to man. So I would hardly call them reliable. Hell, my Honda Accord has been towed in twice now.
Have you looked at the MPG of a 6-speed GTO on the highway its rated at 29mpg... Not bad for a 346ci motor.
I love the CLS and I love the GTO, but the CLS isn't made anymore so it leaves the GTO, G35 or 350z
Lets think about this...
CLS has worst automatic transmission known to man. So I would hardly call them reliable. Hell, my Honda Accord has been towed in twice now.
Have you looked at the MPG of a 6-speed GTO on the highway its rated at 29mpg... Not bad for a 346ci motor.
I love the CLS and I love the GTO, but the CLS isn't made anymore so it leaves the GTO, G35 or 350z
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I think you gotta agree though that GM coulda taken a little more risk with the styling? I mean talk about stuck in the 80's! GM starts a new division and the best they can come up with is a clean sheet design Saturn? I think a 6th grader could do better scribbling with a pencil. Now I know the GTO is a Holden and that it was designed as a RWD car down under and kudos for them doing that but the styling is pure Cavalier. As I said earlier, if GM hadn't designed so much junk, then the GTO might look good but if you look at it next to any other GM car, the curse is there!
The CL-S was a classic the minute the 01's hit the street. Nothing looked anything like it. I had ignored Acuras for years and then the TL turned my head and when it was time to get one, the CL-S showed up. I had to have it and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
For those that complain about the tranny........I never had a problem and there are plenty of others that don't have a problem. I think the tranny design was just a little too tight for the torque and HP of this engine.
The CL-S was a classic the minute the 01's hit the street. Nothing looked anything like it. I had ignored Acuras for years and then the TL turned my head and when it was time to get one, the CL-S showed up. I had to have it and I enjoyed the hell out of it.
For those that complain about the tranny........I never had a problem and there are plenty of others that don't have a problem. I think the tranny design was just a little too tight for the torque and HP of this engine.
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Originally posted by Roadmaster
So a GTO sucks over a CL because a Cl has HID's, a Sunroof, Navigation, decent fuel economy and reliability.
Lets think about this...
So a GTO sucks over a CL because a Cl has HID's, a Sunroof, Navigation, decent fuel economy and reliability.
Lets think about this...
yeah lets think about this...forgetting Navi, @ $35G HIDs and a power sunroof should be a given for 2004 model year car.
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Originally posted by F23A4
yeah lets think about this...forgetting Navi, @ $35G HIDs and a power sunroof should be a given for 2004 model year car.
yeah lets think about this...forgetting Navi, @ $35G HIDs and a power sunroof should be a given for 2004 model year car.
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Originally posted by Pure Adrenaline
If people don't see it on the road, then it doesn't increase the interest in the car.
If people don't see it on the road, then it doesn't increase the interest in the car.
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Originally posted by Roadmaster
Have you looked at the MPG of a 6-speed GTO on the highway its rated at 29mpg... Not bad for a 346ci motor.
Have you looked at the MPG of a 6-speed GTO on the highway its rated at 29mpg... Not bad for a 346ci motor.
While I like the GTO, and I agree it is as worthy of its price as a CLS is...
I gotta call on those MPG #'s
Ive heard numerous reports of incredibly low mpg, as well as read something about GTO buyers being charged a $1000 federal gas-guzzler tax
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To put the GTO badge on that piece of import crap is a disgrace to the GTO fans, like me. Hell, it is not even made in Detroit for crying out loud!!! It's an Australian Holden. Where the hell is the pedigree??? You can't call a dog a cat just because you named the dog cat. I really don't know what GM is doing these days!!!
If I want a Detroit muscle car, I will get a Mustang, which not only has the pedigree and the looks to go with it
If I want a Detroit muscle car, I will get a Mustang, which not only has the pedigree and the looks to go with it
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Originally posted by soopa
Ive heard numerous reports of incredibly low mpg, as well as read something about GTO buyers being charged a $1000 federal gas-guzzler tax
Ive heard numerous reports of incredibly low mpg, as well as read something about GTO buyers being charged a $1000 federal gas-guzzler tax
#51
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Originally posted by phil2
You have a valid point and i agree with you, but what other car for under 35k can you get a 350hp / 365 tq v8?
You have a valid point and i agree with you, but what other car for under 35k can you get a 350hp / 365 tq v8?
I guess if one approaches the GTO (and SVT) as purpose built cars (a la STi, Evo RS) then it's all good. dunno.
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