HELP!!!! 2nd Gen Eclipse advice needed!! FAST!

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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HELP!!!! 2nd Gen Eclipse advice needed!! FAST!

my friends about to cop a 1995 eclipse. i dont know much about DSMs except that they arent that reliable, i advised him otherwise but hes still gonna buy it.

we are checking out the car tommorow, is there anything i should look for?? i heard about various suspension components being bad. anything else under the engine bay?


please any help is good. i want to pinpoint specific things tommorow and verify that the car is in good condition.


btw, how much would a manual tranny for an eclipse run?
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 11:14 PM
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Two words: "crank walk"
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Two words: "crank walk"

fuck, you beat me to it
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 11:47 PM
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1st Gen Eclipse GSX > all DSM
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 12:15 AM
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1st Gen Eclipse GSX > all DSM

this is true

2nd gen = crank walk and a cute little 14b turbo
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 03:08 AM
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crank walk?
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 05:32 AM
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crank walk?

the bearings for the crank are known to get fucked up in the 2nd gen

it then allows the crank to slowly eat its way into the block and fucking shit up
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
the bearings for the crank are known to get fucked up in the 2nd gen

it then allows the crank to slowly eat its way into the block and fucking shit up
crank walk lol
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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why is it funny? The crank literally "walks"
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
2nd gen = a cute little 14b turbo
Not that anyone who seriously wants to go even remotely fast hangs on to the stock turbo for very long.
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SanJoseRoller
this is true

2nd gen = crank walk and a cute little 14b turbo
Its actually a t25 on the second one- the 1st gens came with the 14b which isnt a bad turbo for basic modding.

They also have gear synchro issues if i remember correctly. I used to own a 97 spyder turbo- it really didnt give me any problems.
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 03:20 PM
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is there a way to visually inspect the crank walk thing

the car already had problems with the synchro so hes gonna replace it
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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bump bump

lookin at the car this weekend wanna be prepared
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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crankwalk is like our trannies- no way to really know. FYI if he can find a 99 though- i think the issue was fixed for that year. Also, it pretty much only happens on the 95-98 block- so if it does happen he can always just swap parts from a first gen.

Make sure you check the oil on the car- its crucial that the turbo has been well oiled or you will have a big risk of failure. It's also pretty easy to check the plugs if you bring a phillips head and a spark plug socket.

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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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thanks for the advice...anything is useful
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 02:40 PM
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too effing funny!! Excellent photoshop.
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Old Mar 24, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 01:45 AM
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Trojanman750
is there a way to visually inspect the crank walk thing
Not without removing the head.
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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This problem involves the crank bearings on 4G63 (the turbo motor) engines in 1995-1999 cars. The problem seems to be that excess play in the crank bearings can cause the crank to travel ("walk") back and forth along its axis of rotation in the block, eventually wearing out the bearing housings and potentially damaging the block itself. (That's bad.)

The biggest indicator that you might have this problem is a clutch pedal that stays stuck to the floor, especially after making left hand turns. (The crank slides over and the flywheel slides away from the clutch, so the clutch won't engage...). If the play in the crank becomes bad enough, it breaks the crank angle sensor off the end of the crank, and the motor shuts down completely.

"Crank walk" is often mis-diagnosed by dealer technicians. We've heard of car owners replacing multiple clutches trying to fix a clutch problem, when the problem was really crank bearing wear.

This seems to be an increasingly common problem on the 95-99 turbo DSM's. We have heard firsthand of dozens of cases, and online reports seem to suggest that the numbers are in the many hundreds.

There are several theories about why this happens, including bad crank machining, oiling problems at the bearings, and excessive bearing cap tolerance. So far, no theory is proven, since the problem takes years to show up, and none of the possible solutions have been in place for that long.
http://www.machv.com/wal19tur.html
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Old Mar 25, 2006 | 07:13 PM
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Another sticking point with the 4G63: Timing Belt. Change it RIGHT AWAY!!! I had a 4G61* Eagle Summit and 4G61t* Plymouth Colt GT and in each car the timing belt snapped, resulting in valve damage and some serious down time.

* NOTE: The 4G61 is to the 4G63 what the B16A is to a B18C.
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Old Mar 26, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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Can't take credit for that picture, found it on another forum, but thought it was fitting

How did the car look?
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