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Old 09-05-2008 | 03:48 PM
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Greener Future from Car Manufacturers

The world’s carmakers have mapped out their route to a greener future

THERE is nothing like high oil prices, panic-selling of big cars and the prospect of swingeing new penalties on carbon-spewing vehicles to concentrate the minds of the world’s carmakers. In less than two years something remarkable has happened. Technologies once regarded by horsepower-obsessed marketing departments as politically correct public-relations fluff, never likely to see the light of day, are entering the mainstream just as fast as the car firms can get them there.

Only 18 months ago it was common to hear Toyota’s pioneering Prius hybrid joked about as a funny-looking niche vehicle with which Hollywood stars could painlessly flaunt their green credentials. Although General Motors (GM) had exhibited a plug-in hybrid concept car, called the Chevrolet Volt, early in 2007, hardly anyone took seriously the claim that it might reach production in 2010. And just ten months ago carmakers in America were lining up to lobby Congress against proposed legislation that would oblige them to achieve a fleet-average fuel consumption of 35 miles per gallon (mpg) by 2020. It simply could not be done, they wailed.

In Europe a similar campaign, with the German carmakers to the fore, was being waged against a plan by the European Commission to impose financial penalties by 2012 on companies if their fleets emitted, on average, over 130 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometre (g/km). It was, they said, technically impossible to comply with the new rules, which they saw as a wicked plot to emasculate a proud and successful industry.

The grumbling about tighter emissions laws will continue, but spurred on by rocketing prices at the pump and changing customer preferences, the manufacturers have quietly got on with the job of transforming the fuel and CO2 efficiencies of their vehicles. Moreover, the blue-sky thinking of the recent past which, encouraged by large government subsidies and conveniently elastic time horizons, appeared to favour the hydrogen fuel-cell, has been dumped for the practical and achievable. Although carmakers differ over the details of the coming revolution in efficiency, there is now a consensus across the industry about its thrust, and about both the role of the underlying technologies and when they will be on sale.....
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Old 09-06-2008 | 09:55 AM
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The drivetrain in the F700 MB prototype was not very far fetched. A 4cyl turbo in an S class type vehicle is not far off.
Old 09-06-2008 | 03:18 PM
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now it is time for us to STOP depend on foreign oil...
Old 09-09-2008 | 06:30 AM
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It says Honda emissions % change in average CO2 emissions have grown in the past year?
Old 09-09-2008 | 08:06 AM
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I don't understand all the hype about plug-in cars. What happens when you're on a roadtrip that is several hours long (or even a long work commute for that matter), and your battery needs to be recharged? No one is going to want to wait an hour for a battery to charge 80% and then only be able to go another 100 miles. I don't get it.
Old 09-14-2008 | 04:50 PM
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American cars getting slimmer, more efficient

High gas drives shift to vehicles powered by electricity, hydrogen fuel cells

DETROIT - Rich Batchelder bought his second Mini Cooper last year, a 2006 supercharged convertible.

And the attributes he sought in his new car are exactly what experts say many of us will be looking for in coming years while automakers try to perfect a replacement for the internal combustion engine.

Batchelder’s Mini is a lightweight subcompact, yet its interior is luxurious. Its 1.6-liter, four-cylinder engine gets him 27 miles per gallon in combined city and highway driving, yet its suspension is stiff for handling and the supercharged motor makes the tiny car very fast.

“The thing looks cute, it looks fun, but it’s a serious automobile,” said the suburban Boston computer store owner. “To me it’s a superior vehicle as far as its motoring capabilities, everything from handling to functionality.”

Auto industry experts say Batchelder’s car is one example of what we’ll all be driving as gas prices stay high and the industry shifts toward rechargeable electric vehicles or even cars powered by hydrogen fuel cells.....
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Old 09-15-2008 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LuvMyTSX
I don't understand all the hype about plug-in cars. What happens when you're on a roadtrip that is several hours long (or even a long work commute for that matter), and your battery needs to be recharged? No one is going to want to wait an hour for a battery to charge 80% and then only be able to go another 100 miles. I don't get it.
You run the car on the gasoline engine.
Old 09-15-2008 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TL1999
now it is time for us to STOP depend on foreign oil...
North America has lots of domestic oil, only if we're allowed to drill.
Old 09-15-2008 | 05:12 PM
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North America has lots of domestic oil, only if we're allowed to drill.
3% of the world's known reserves and 25% of it's consumption. Hmmm...
Old 09-15-2008 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
3% of the world's known reserves and 25% of it's consumption. Hmmm...
Hmmm, interesting how we know that there is only 3% of the world's oil here when we aren't even allowed to explore most of north america. Truth is nobody knows how much oil has yet to be found here and my guess is that there is every reason to believe that there are areas of north america that have just as much oil as the middle east. Its not like all ancient life forms died in just one area.....
Old 09-15-2008 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by majin ssj eric
Hmmm, interesting how we know that there is only 3% of the world's oil here when we aren't even allowed to explore most of north america. Truth is nobody knows how much oil has yet to be found here and my guess is that there is every reason to believe that there are areas of north america that have just as much oil as the middle east. Its not like all ancient life forms died in just one area.....
Are you talking out of your ass, or do you really want to debate the facts?

I luv driving as much as the next guy, this simply means the means of propelling our mode of transportation will evolve from the internal combustion engine eventually.
Old 09-15-2008 | 07:03 PM
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Hard to debate facts when nobody really has all of them.....
Old 09-16-2008 | 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Fibonacci
3% of the world's known reserves and 25% of it's consumption. Hmmm...
25% of world consumption ? Not for long given the current economy US is in, and also that China and India are catching up real fast in oil consumption as well as in harmful emissions and greenhouse gas.
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Obama's `Government Crutch' Buys 1 in 4 Hybrids as Consumer Market Slumps

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now it is time for us to STOP depend on foreign oil...



President Barack Obama’s administration has bought almost a fourth of the Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Co. hybrid vehicles sold since he took office, accelerating federal purchases as consumer demand wanes.

The U.S. General Services Administration, which runs the government fleet, bought at least 14,584 hybrid vehicles in the past two fiscal years, or about 10 percent of 145,473 vehicles the agency purchased in that period, according to sales data obtained by Bloomberg under a Freedom of Information Act request. In fiscal 2008, hybrids accounted for less than 1 percent of government purchases, the data showed.

The government is boosting investment in a technology that has failed to win broad acceptance after more than a decade in the marketplace. Consumer sales of hybrids are headed for their third consecutive yearly decline. Government agencies and businesses have said they also will purchase all-electric models being introduced by automakers including GM.

“At some point, the reality is that for this technology to be accepted, it needs to be done without a government crutch,” said Jeff Schuster, director of forecasting at J.D. Power & Associates in Troy, Michigan. “But without a huge gas-price increase or further government demand, the natural demand just isn’t to be there.....”
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Old 11-23-2010 | 10:02 PM
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This economy sucks. If these vehicles were cost competitive I think a lot more people would be driving them. I want to see hybrid and all electric vehicles become mainstream. We simply can't keep fucking up the ozone the way we have been for so many years.
Old 11-23-2010 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by mcflyguy24
This economy sucks. If these vehicles were cost competitive I think a lot more people would be driving them. I want to see hybrid and all electric vehicles become mainstream. We simply can't keep fucking up the ozone the way we have been for so many years.
Why the hell are you even hanging around in a car enthusiast forum? You should be hand-wringing about the poor polar bears with all the other hippies over at daily kos....

Oh, and just so you know, man-caused global warming is nothing more than a veiled attempt by the world's progressives to redistribute wealth away from rich countries like the US to poor areas like Africa and Asia. It has nothing to do with the ozone layer or melting ice caps....
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