Greddy declares bankruptcy
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Greddy declares bankruptcy
Not sure if this belongs in Car Talk or Automotive News.
Either way, its very sad if they don't come out of the hole.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/10/j...es-bankruptcy/
Either way, its very sad if they don't come out of the hole.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/09/10/j...es-bankruptcy/
Japanese tuning firm Trust/Greddy declares bankruptcy
The market for aftermarket parts from Japan has been declining for well over five years, due in part to decreased demand both at home and abroad and the rising rates of Chinese knock-offs and other inexpensive (and dubiously built) components.
Today, one of the world's largest performance parts companies, known as Trust in Japan and Greddy here in the States, declared bankruptcy. According to various reports, Trust is approximately $60 million in debt and, after reporting a serious decline in sales since February 2008 and amassing $43 million in loan payments, filed for bankruptcy in Tokyo District Court.
Trust has been around since 1976, employs almost 200 workers and had been dealing in everything from CARB-legal exhausts to turbo systems when Greddy Performance Products was founded in the U.S. in 1994. There are several firms that will step up to fill the need of enthusiasts, assuming that Trust doesn't try to reorganize, but with the aftermarket industry down overall, we suspect this won't be the last time we'll here about a large tuner going under.
The market for aftermarket parts from Japan has been declining for well over five years, due in part to decreased demand both at home and abroad and the rising rates of Chinese knock-offs and other inexpensive (and dubiously built) components.
Today, one of the world's largest performance parts companies, known as Trust in Japan and Greddy here in the States, declared bankruptcy. According to various reports, Trust is approximately $60 million in debt and, after reporting a serious decline in sales since February 2008 and amassing $43 million in loan payments, filed for bankruptcy in Tokyo District Court.
Trust has been around since 1976, employs almost 200 workers and had been dealing in everything from CARB-legal exhausts to turbo systems when Greddy Performance Products was founded in the U.S. in 1994. There are several firms that will step up to fill the need of enthusiasts, assuming that Trust doesn't try to reorganize, but with the aftermarket industry down overall, we suspect this won't be the last time we'll here about a large tuner going under.
in deed, but I also chalk this partially up to manufacturers making their cars harder to modify. 
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Like I said.. "not like they made MUCH." Nothing people really wanted.
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They aren't going under, they are re-organizing. Just got off the phone w/ them when I read the article a few hours ago.
Holley did the same thing back in February.
Holley did the same thing back in February.
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10 years ago most car savvy people that were willing to get aftermarket parts were handy enough to do their own installs on the simpler setups of the past...this is not common trend nowadays
heck, you pop a hood on a modern car and all you see is plastic casements
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Originally Posted by Sly Raskal
but I also chalk this partially up to manufacturers making their cars harder to modify.
Crappy customer service and know how, good ridens hopefully they fall again after the bankruptcy. Their electronics just never worked perfectly with our cars and they couldn't help if their lives depended on it.
Lets see if they turn over a new leaf.
Lets see if they turn over a new leaf.
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I ran their exhaust for a good amount of time, quality is definitely great, and greddy has always made excellent products... ie. 2 catbacks for the new accord 
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I'm not the least bit surprised, I doubt sales will amount to anything in a down economy like we are in now.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
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I'm not the least bit surprised, I doubt sales will amount to anything in a down economy like we are in now.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
+1. I hate when ppl talk about of their a$$! 
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Not sure what the bankruptcy laws are like in Japan, but hopefully the restructuring/reorganizing, etc will keep them afloat.
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I'm not the least bit surprised, I doubt sales will amount to anything in a down economy like we are in now.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
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I'm not the least bit surprised, I doubt sales will amount to anything in a down economy like we are in now.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
People also must realize that the tuner crowd is slowly phasing out, with more stringent laws on emissions and whatnot, people have been turned off from purchasing performance mods.
Also note that cars now really don't gain much from aftermarket products as they once used to, when you're already pushing 300+ HP from a V6 I doubt you can really push it to get any more power. Couple that with the fact that cars from factory are already fast enough for most people, you end up with slow/poor sales.
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I did what i could to help them stay on top of the water...
I've purchased:
Greddy FMIC
Strut bar
Trust Exhaust
And not a damn one of those products were intended for the TL, but i made them work.
Maybe they should aim to develop more products for the vehicles with the least aftermarket support.
I've purchased:
Greddy FMIC
Strut bar
Trust Exhaust
And not a damn one of those products were intended for the TL, but i made them work.
Maybe they should aim to develop more products for the vehicles with the least aftermarket support.
It's simply 1) whether or not they see a substantial possibility of earning a profit on the parts developed 2) the products they develop will actually provide a benefit over stock 3) it there will be enough people that would want and ACTUALLY buy it 4) what's the current position of that car in it's lifetime (last model year, etc).
Most of these companies like GREDDY/TRUST specialize in one thing, IMO, they specialize in turbo applications. Honda's aren't the easiest motor's to add turbo's too IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the aluminum block makes the motor less reliable when adding a turbo due to the excess heat from detonation?
That's what I've heard from other tuners, dont' know if that's true or not. But then, why are superchargers possible like Comptechs. 
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There are reasons why some of those care have the least aftermarket support.
It's simply 1) whether or not they see a substantial possibility of earning a profit on the parts developed 2) the products they develop will actually provide a benefit over stock 3) it there will be enough people that would want and ACTUALLY buy it 4) what's the current position of that car in it's lifetime (last model year, etc).
Most of these companies like GREDDY/TRUST specialize in one thing, IMO, they specialize in turbo applications. Honda's aren't the easiest motor's to add turbo's too IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the aluminum block makes the motor less reliable when adding a turbo due to the excess heat from detonation? That's what I've heard from other tuners, dont' know if that's true or not. But then, why are superchargers possible like Comptechs.
It's simply 1) whether or not they see a substantial possibility of earning a profit on the parts developed 2) the products they develop will actually provide a benefit over stock 3) it there will be enough people that would want and ACTUALLY buy it 4) what's the current position of that car in it's lifetime (last model year, etc).
Most of these companies like GREDDY/TRUST specialize in one thing, IMO, they specialize in turbo applications. Honda's aren't the easiest motor's to add turbo's too IMO. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the aluminum block makes the motor less reliable when adding a turbo due to the excess heat from detonation?
That's what I've heard from other tuners, dont' know if that's true or not. But then, why are superchargers possible like Comptechs. 
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Not many exhausts did much for the 6th gen Accord. I think 1% of the members at the Accord forum that I cannot name actually boosted their Accords but most were scared with the crap tranny. Exhausts for our car were mostly aesthetic. GReddy was one of the first and few exhaust choices back in the late 90's for the Accord. Most didn't come to the party until toward the end of the generation.
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i feel like their prices always hovered around their main competitors (for their exhaust components anywhere) like Fujitsubo, Tanabe, Apex'i, etc.
I mean, they didnt' sell their stuff at magnaflow prices, but I always felt cross-shopping those JDM based brands was equal across the board
I mean, they didnt' sell their stuff at magnaflow prices, but I always felt cross-shopping those JDM based brands was equal across the board
