Golf R: Crippled
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Golf R: Crippled
Here is a video put together by a Golf R owner. We have been trying to get the attention of VWOA first by overloading their facebook page for a few days. The R came to the US without full stability control defeat. We are the only country in the world that is like this. VW even changed this in other markets to allow owners to get reflashed.
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Overall the R has been fun. Great for DD duties.
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Overall the R has been fun. Great for DD duties.
Last edited by batman; Nov 27, 2012 at 09:15 PM.
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You are right but manufactures are allowed to have an off setting.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...px?reg=571.126
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...px?reg=571.126
S5.4 ESC Off and Other System Controls. The manufacturer may include an “ESC Off” control whose only purpose is to place the ESC system in a mode or modes in which it will no longer satisfy the performance requirements of S5.2.1, S5.2.2, and S5.2.3. An “ESC Off” control may be combined with other controls in a multi-function control. Manufacturers may also provide controls for other systems that have an ancillary effect upon ESC operation. Controls of either kind that place the ESC system in a mode in which it will no longer satisfy the performance requirements of S5.2.1, S5.2.2, and S5.2.3 are permitted, provided that:
S5.4.1 The vehicle's ESC system must always return to the manufacturer's original default ESC mode that satisfies the requirements of S5.1 and S5.2 at the initiation of each new ignition cycle, regardless of what ESC mode the driver had previously selected, unless (a) the vehicle is in a low-range four-wheel drive configuration selected by the driver on the previous ignition cycle that is designed for low-speed, off-road driving, or (b) the vehicle is in a four-wheel drive configuration selected by the driver on the previous ignition cycle that is designed for operation at higher speeds on snow-, sand-, or dirt-packed roads and that has the effect of locking the drive gears at the front and rear axles together, provided that the vehicle meets the stability performance requirements of S5.2.1 and S5.2.2 in this mode.
S5.4.1 The vehicle's ESC system must always return to the manufacturer's original default ESC mode that satisfies the requirements of S5.1 and S5.2 at the initiation of each new ignition cycle, regardless of what ESC mode the driver had previously selected, unless (a) the vehicle is in a low-range four-wheel drive configuration selected by the driver on the previous ignition cycle that is designed for low-speed, off-road driving, or (b) the vehicle is in a four-wheel drive configuration selected by the driver on the previous ignition cycle that is designed for operation at higher speeds on snow-, sand-, or dirt-packed roads and that has the effect of locking the drive gears at the front and rear axles together, provided that the vehicle meets the stability performance requirements of S5.2.1 and S5.2.2 in this mode.
So you are bitching about an issue that most enthusiastic MercBenz owners have had their panties in a wad over for years by now? Lack of ability to completely remove drivers aids? Welcome to the new age of cars, Honda integrates the header into the head & VW takes away full control of their cars...what else isn't new? ROFL, you think large corporations will listen to a niche market in accordance to the whole fleet of vehicles they produce let alone the flagship "racing" model that more and more idiots will be piloting let alone true enthusiasts that know how to drive? Get realistic.
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IIHS- Vehicles equipped with electronic stability control (ESC)
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
Just like not importing Land Rover Defenders because of no airbags. The government is regulating what they feel is the safest items on a vehicle and that's what you'll get on new cars. Due to liability and how "sue-happy" we are, they're not going to make it so a switch turns the ESC off.
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
Just like not importing Land Rover Defenders because of no airbags. The government is regulating what they feel is the safest items on a vehicle and that's what you'll get on new cars. Due to liability and how "sue-happy" we are, they're not going to make it so a switch turns the ESC off.
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IIHS- Vehicles equipped with electronic stability control (ESC)
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
Just like not importing Land Rover Defenders because of no airbags. The government is regulating what they feel is the safest items on a vehicle and that's what you'll get on new cars. Due to liability and how "sue-happy" we are, they're not going to make it so a switch turns the ESC off.
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
Just like not importing Land Rover Defenders because of no airbags. The government is regulating what they feel is the safest items on a vehicle and that's what you'll get on new cars. Due to liability and how "sue-happy" we are, they're not going to make it so a switch turns the ESC off.
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So you are bitching about an issue that most enthusiastic MercBenz owners have had their panties in a wad over for years by now? Lack of ability to completely remove drivers aids? Welcome to the new age of cars, Honda integrates the header into the head & VW takes away full control of their cars...what else isn't new? ROFL, you think large corporations will listen to a niche market in accordance to the whole fleet of vehicles they produce let alone the flagship "racing" model that more and more idiots will be piloting let alone true enthusiasts that know how to drive? Get realistic.
After not not being able to fully disengage the traction control system on the RT challenger...they changed for the 2011 track models and now all nannies can be fully shut off...both the RT and SRT.
And that was because of customer feedback.
Who knew Mitsubishi was still around.
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VW did it for all 2012 and on models except in the USA.
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So you are bitching about an issue that most enthusiastic MercBenz owners have had their panties in a wad over for years by now? Lack of ability to completely remove drivers aids? Welcome to the new age of cars, Honda integrates the header into the head & VW takes away full control of their cars...what else isn't new? ROFL, you think large corporations will listen to a niche market in accordance to the whole fleet of vehicles they produce let alone the flagship "racing" model that more and more idiots will be piloting let alone true enthusiasts that know how to drive? Get realistic.
not to mention they made it a manual also
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Hope your voices are heard.
One of the big reasons people who use to write off chrysler but are now getting in them and being impressed is because the company has taken a very active stance within the owner community. The keep making changes based off of what they hear owners and potential owners want in new models. They really use web communities and set up national meets/car shows to gain insight.
I wish more makers did this. its been working really well.
One of the big reasons people who use to write off chrysler but are now getting in them and being impressed is because the company has taken a very active stance within the owner community. The keep making changes based off of what they hear owners and potential owners want in new models. They really use web communities and set up national meets/car shows to gain insight.
I wish more makers did this. its been working really well.
IIHS- Vehicles equipped with electronic stability control (ESC)
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
"About half of the fatal passenger vehicle crashes that occur each year involve a single vehicle. Equipping vehicles with ESC can reduce the risk of involvement in these crashes by more than 50 percent.
The government requires ESC on all passenger vehicles as of the 2012 model year."
The germans have a good model for this. My drivers test consisted of driving one way for 20 seconds turning around and going back to the dmv. What a joke.
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it's Adam Carolla. Ferrara doesn't do anything for me.
VW fanboys. Almost as entertaining as BMW fanboys.
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Hope your voices are heard.
One of the big reasons people who use to write off chrysler but are now getting in them and being impressed is because the company has taken a very active stance within the owner community. The keep making changes based off of what they hear owners and potential owners want in new models. They really use web communities and set up national meets/car shows to gain insight.
I wish more makers did this. its been working really well.
One of the big reasons people who use to write off chrysler but are now getting in them and being impressed is because the company has taken a very active stance within the owner community. The keep making changes based off of what they hear owners and potential owners want in new models. They really use web communities and set up national meets/car shows to gain insight.
I wish more makers did this. its been working really well.
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I was going to say vag-com. They are able to do a TON with the audi programing with it.
But like others said. Good luck with OEM listening, and personally i wouldnt purchase a vehicle i couldnt turn off fully.
But like others said. Good luck with OEM listening, and personally i wouldnt purchase a vehicle i couldnt turn off fully.
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