fsttyms1

sweet jebus, that thing must be a hand full just letting out the clutch

srika

#Apple in talks to buy #McLaren!!! What???? They have already been working on major design improvements, here is a leaked image showing the Apple designed 650S interior.

srika

Nah, I would think it would be rather docile. Ever driven a Viper? It's a pussycat.

00TL-P3.2

Definitely an oddball for a Cobra. Surprised that V10 fit.

srika

Whoa did not know this about the 959.

1988 Porsche 959 Komfort | Bring a Trailer

RPhilMan1

So why start with G and not just 1 through 6? Is it a way to downshift easier to a low gear?

justnspace

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^I'm assuming that's the starting gear, has enough low end torque(or a different gear ratio) to get the car moving

00TL-P3.2

Right, but why do you even need a 'granny' gear in a sports car? You're not hauling a 5th wheel trailer with it.

What's the 'G' for in German?

SamDoe1

Gelände, translates to off-road. That's where Gelände Wagon comes from.

Why a super car has an off road low range gear, I haven't the slightest. I doubt this gear was supposed to be used for any sort of road use which is why there's still a 1st gear.

justnspace

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lol i want to know why, so bad

SamDoe1

Maybe because AWD? Wasn't the 959 used in rally?

00TL-P3.2

Could be, not sure what the homologation rules were then, if the road cars had to be equipped as the competition cars. G for mad rally starts, yo!

justnspace

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I'm assuming the G gear was needed for the tough and difficult terrain for rally cars on start ups?or just to get rolling

SamDoe1

I don't know what the difference in ratio from G to 1 is so who knows if it was even possible to start in G and then shift to 1. Low range is used for getting a lot of torque to climb or keeping wheel speed low for additional control or to slow down steep descents. None of those things I would ever imagine a 959 doing lol.

wackjum

"G" gear in the 959 stood for "Gelände" which means terrain. It was for off-road use.

wackjum

Sorry I didn't see SamDoe's response. But I added a pic!

07tsx20

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Got to go play around in atlanta and took some video at the dealerships, hope you enjoy

oonowindoo

For those of you who are interested in M2, well wait a little longer

srika

Thanks for the info on the "G" first gear for 959. It makes sense given the 959 was Porsche's first official AWD vehicle.

Costco

The new SS 1LE sure is making me feel funny down there. I haven't really felt the urge for a muscle car in a while, other than with the GT350. But the SS 1LE is even more of a bargain, and all the tech it has... hmm

srika

yeah that SS 1LE package is HOT!!!!

Costco

The NSX thread piqued my interest, it had me watching a bunch of the Lightning Lap videos. I always knew what the 1LE stood for as a package - but I didn't know to what extent it did on the 6th gen Camaro.

The 2017 SS 1LE now has magnetic ride control, initially only found on the ZR1 and CTS-V. An e-LSD (not that brake-vectoring bullshit), 6-piston front Brembos, engine oil, trans, and diff coolers. Shit like that makes my wee-wee go up.

I'm curious to see how much it really weighs though. Most likely no lighter than a 1SS. The old 1LEs (2002 and prior) had roll-up windows, manual door locks, really no power anything. Nearly every suspension component was different from a Z28/SS.

SamDoe1

How much does a new 1LE go for these days? Gotta be damn near $45k-$50k right?

Costco

Yeah, the SS 1LE will come in right under $45k. There 2017 GT350 now has the track package standard, which includes powertrain coolers and magnetic dampers (the 1LE has the aforementioned two upgrades standard) as well as a spoiler. With the track pack standard now, the GT350 starts at just over $55k.

Driven by Randy Pobst, the GT350R ($62k) was only a second and a half faster than the heavier, less powerful 1LE at Laguna Seca.

I think you guys remember how much I was fangirling over the GT350R as well...

SamDoe1

The Camaro has always been the better track car over the Mustang but it's more about the experience in living with either that I'd be more interested in. After having a Camaro as a rental for a week, I'd never buy one. Can't see out of the damn thing and the blind spots can hide a semi truck. Also the sound coming out of the GT350 tail pipes is on a different level from the Camaro.

If you want a track car, I wouldn't buy either the Camaro or the Shelby lol.

00TL-P3.2

It'd likely be the GT350 for me as well. That sound
Haven't been in a Camaro since about 2014, though.

RPhilMan1

That flat plane crank... GT350.

Costco

No doubt, the Camaro has some visibility problems. Mustangs have always had better ergonomics. The high beltline, cowl, and low roof cause issues for people around 6' and taller. Not an issue for me.

My 4th gen F-body had awful visibility as well, and a low roof. And there's no good way to set the mirrors, they're too small close to the body.

It's something you get used to.

I really like my BRZ visibility wise. For a modern coupe, it's as good as it gets. So easy to maneuver with its tight parking radius, and the added backup camera.

I'm weird though. Who else autocrosses a Camaro? I never considered tracking the Camaro until the 1LE was revealed. The GT350 is way out of my budget. I love the way that flat plane V8 sounds screaming to 8k though.

s2kstephen

A blend of the BRZ and good 'ol GM muscle. The engine builder claimed 532 whp 586wtq but I do not have dyno sheets to confirm.

2013 Subaru BRZ Limited with 6.6l LS2 V8 - 6SpeedOnline - Porsche Forum and Luxury Car Resource

00TL-P3.2

Back when I used to autocross every few weeks, there were always a few Camaros out there. Not nearly as many as the Vettes, but they seemed to do decently. This was around 04-06, so prior to the current crop of cars.

justnspace

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the 1LE SS option was offered in '14 i believe.
my buddy has one. cool looking camaro and came with stretched tires. lol

poor picture, I know


and yes, its set up for the track just like the new 1le's

srika

yeah I remember there would always be Camaros at autocross events in the 90's. They did fairly well, especially the SS's.

And then you have the last generation Z28 which was a track monster.

Costco

No doubt, I wasn't trying to imply I was the only person ever, hah. Just embellishing, because it still weirds me out a little.

Yeah, they're more capable than they look. Several shortcomings were addressed in the 6th gen though. Still, nothing the aftermarket won't fix.

Indeed, the ability to fit extra wide tires definitely helps.

And the Z/28 is no doubt a very capable track vehicle, that makes it all the more surprising that the 2017 SS 1LE is beating lap times the Z/28 had set.

srika

in Houston today.

srika

wow I didn't know it was THAT fast... damn

nist7

And here we see another blue Mustang in its natural habitat: attracted to car show crowds and concrete curbs.

The meme will continue to live strong it seems....

WheelMcCoy

I heard the rumor about Apple and McLaren... and that they both deny they were in any talks. Thanks for the leaked photo, but frankly, it's not doing anything for me.

justnspace

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You missed the sarcasm in that photo......

justnspace

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And that GT350 owner has to be one of the biggest asshats ever.

srika

another angle - lol - I will never understand this phenomenon and why it happens