crazy Enzo crash on PCH today...
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Originally Posted by SiGGy
Even between 70-80 mph yo ucan rip a car in half, i've seen it happen on a tree before. Hence the power pole in this crash. You just have to hit it right...
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Fixed.
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News report makes it sound like the driver was the guy they found in the passenger seat. He was the owner, and was bleeding. The driver's airbag had blood on it. He was probably drunk when the police arrived, slid over to the passengers seat, and said someone else was driving.
The car was not registered either. Probably bought it from the Long Beach harbor.
The car was not registered either. Probably bought it from the Long Beach harbor.
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The car did it's job, but man every crashed Ferrari I've seen is in peices. I've seen too many Ferraris in half that I am beginning to question their safety.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The car did it's job, but man every crashed Ferrari I've seen is in peices. I've seen too many Ferraris in half that I am beginning to question their safety.
well as long as the cabin stays intact i wouldnt worry about anything else. i havent looked at the pics of the other enzo posted here a few months back but i seem to remember it doing the same thing.
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Originally Posted by subinf
well as long as the cabin stays intact i wouldnt worry about anything else. i havent looked at the pics of the other enzo posted here a few months back but i seem to remember it doing the same thing.
Here is one of their race car
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I've seen various Ferraris break in half at the
Here is one of their race car
Here is one of their race car
ahh, that looks like a lot of fun
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rumour has it the dude was racing an SLR... If that was the case, I would have to say,
SLR 1
Enzo 0
SLR 1
Enzo 0
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BTW what do they run in the 1/4 and 0-150?
SLR: 11.6-11.9 @ 127-124 qtr mi, 18.3-18.8 sec to 150
good chart of acceleration times in here.. unfortunately it only goes up to 100.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...en/index2.html
some more evidence:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...igsegg-CCR.htm
Top Speed Comparison chart results at Nardo/Prototipo for Production cars:
1. Koenigsegg CCR 388 km/h
2. McLaren F1 372 km/h
3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h
4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h
4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h
5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h
1. Koenigsegg CCR 388 km/h
2. McLaren F1 372 km/h
3. Ferrari Enzo 355 km/h
4. Porsche Carrera GT 334 km/h
4. McLaren Mercedes SLR 334 km/h
5. Lamborghini Murcielago 330 km/h
Bugatti Veyron:
Performance
0-60 mph: 2.9 seconds.
0-100 mph: 6.0
0-150 mph: 11.0
0-200 mph: 22.0
standing 1/4 mile: 10.8 seconds @ 140 mph
Top Speed: 253 mph
Performance
0-60 mph: 2.9 seconds.
0-100 mph: 6.0
0-150 mph: 11.0
0-200 mph: 22.0
standing 1/4 mile: 10.8 seconds @ 140 mph
Top Speed: 253 mph
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The car did it's job, but man every crashed Ferrari I've seen is in peices. I've seen too many Ferraris in half that I am beginning to question their safety.
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Cars like the Enzo are designed to break apart upon impact, because it can dissipate the energy force of the impact much better. Notice the cabin is still intact, like it's designed to be. The rest of the car is engineered to break apart.
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Originally Posted by srika
Enzo: 10.8-11.1 @ 136-133 qtr mi, 13.1 sec to 150
SLR: 11.6-11.9 @ 127-124 qtr mi, 18.3-18.8 sec to 150
good chart of acceleration times in here.. unfortunately it only goes up to 100.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...en/index2.html
some more evidence:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...igsegg-CCR.htm
SLR: 11.6-11.9 @ 127-124 qtr mi, 18.3-18.8 sec to 150
good chart of acceleration times in here.. unfortunately it only goes up to 100.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...en/index2.html
some more evidence:
http://www.seriouswheels.com/top-200...igsegg-CCR.htm
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Originally Posted by srika
^^ yeah I was gonna say - the fact that the engine (and rear) breaks apart from the passenger compartment is a safety feature.. One of the main reasons is if the engine or surrounding areas catch on fire - as Ferraris are notorious for in crashes - well, common logic really.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am aware that it's designed to break apart like that, but like I stated before there has been pictures of other Ferraris including an Enzo that split at the passenger compartment. I don't think Ferrari does much safety testing, but I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by srika
so, you think they're kind of, how to say, "piece-mealed" together, eh?
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am aware that it's designed to break apart like that, but like I stated before there has been pictures of other Ferraris including an Enzo that split at the passenger compartment. I don't think Ferrari does much safety testing, but I could be wrong.
they do as much testing as everyone else
where are pics of it split at the passenger compartment
Just got done watching the news. The passenger was the owner of the car. He said the driver was "the German" named Derek (I think) visiting from Europe, that's all he knew. He said he took off up the mountain after the crash. Also said they were racing a silver mercedes when it happened.
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Cars like the Enzo are designed to break apart upon impact, because it can dissipate the energy force of the impact much better. Notice the cabin is still intact, like it's designed to be. The rest of the car is engineered to break apart.
Oh no here we go again
Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.
That is what saved dude's life.
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Originally Posted by CLpower
they do as much testing as everyone else
where are pics of it split at the passenger compartment
where are pics of it split at the passenger compartment
I doubt they do as much safety testing as Ford, GM, Benz, or Volvo.
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Of course they do, all the testing these guys do is because they HAVE to in order to meet regulations.
That picture right there is absolute proof ferrari knows what they are doing. That car couldn't have done anything better then that.
That picture right there is absolute proof ferrari knows what they are doing. That car couldn't have done anything better then that.
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Well... unfortunately the Ferrari Enzo was not designed for safety. They were trying to out do Porsche CGT and this is what happens when inexperienced drivers get behind the wheel.
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FROM LA COUNTY SHERIFF - LOST HILLS/MALIBU STATION
The passenger is also the registered owner (and only person found at scene) and his name is Stefan Erikson, a Sweedish national who lives in Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
He hasn't been charged. He claims he was the passenger and that a guy named "Deitrich" (sp?) was the driver and he fled the scene. "Deitrich" is a German fellow and that's all he knows about him. It was either a witness or Erikson that said that they were racing an Mercedes/McClaren SLR when suddenly the car became airborne.
I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.
Speed is estimated at 120 mph.
FROM LA COUNTY SHERIFF - LOST HILLS/MALIBU STATION
The passenger is also the registered owner (and only person found at scene) and his name is Stefan Erikson, a Sweedish national who lives in Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
He hasn't been charged. He claims he was the passenger and that a guy named "Deitrich" (sp?) was the driver and he fled the scene. "Deitrich" is a German fellow and that's all he knows about him. It was either a witness or Erikson that said that they were racing an Mercedes/McClaren SLR when suddenly the car became airborne.
I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.
Speed is estimated at 120 mph.
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Originally Posted by CLpower
Of course they do, all the testing these guys do is because they HAVE to in order to meet regulations.
That picture right there is absolute proof ferrari knows what they are doing. That car couldn't have done anything better then that.
That picture right there is absolute proof ferrari knows what they are doing. That car couldn't have done anything better then that.
The car SPLIT into two(with fatalities) at the monocoque structure, that's proof that they know what they are doing??????
Testing is mandated by the gov't, but like I stated before I am sure that Ferrari doesn't do extensive crash testing. It's a numbers game really. You can crash 20 E500 for every one Enzo. Ferrari probably uses computer modeling and relies on data from their race cars.
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WTF. 6am drunk. Driving an enzo racing a SLR? And hes from sweden? And he let a strange guy named deitrich total his exotic car?
Sounds like daddy is not going to be too happy.
Sounds like daddy is not going to be too happy.
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Oh no here we go again
Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.
That is what saved dude's life.
Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.
That is what saved dude's life.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
The car SPLIT into two(with fatalities) at the monocoque structure, that's proof that they know what they are doing??????
Testing is mandated by the gov't, but like I stated before I am sure that Ferrari doesn't do extensive crash testing. It's a numbers game really. You can crash 20 E500 for every one Enzo. Ferrari probably uses computer modeling and relies on data from their race cars.
Testing is mandated by the gov't, but like I stated before I am sure that Ferrari doesn't do extensive crash testing. It's a numbers game really. You can crash 20 E500 for every one Enzo. Ferrari probably uses computer modeling and relies on data from their race cars.
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Originally Posted by CLpower
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FROM LA COUNTY SHERIFF - LOST HILLS/MALIBU STATION
The passenger is also the registered owner (and only person found at scene) and his name is Stefan Erikson, a Sweedish national who lives in Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
He hasn't been charged. He claims he was the passenger and that a guy named "Deitrich" (sp?) was the driver and he fled the scene. "Deitrich" is a German fellow and that's all he knows about him. It was either a witness or Erikson that said that they were racing an Mercedes/McClaren SLR when suddenly the car became airborne.
I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.
Speed is estimated at 120 mph.
FROM LA COUNTY SHERIFF - LOST HILLS/MALIBU STATION
The passenger is also the registered owner (and only person found at scene) and his name is Stefan Erikson, a Sweedish national who lives in Bel Air/Beverly Hills.
He hasn't been charged. He claims he was the passenger and that a guy named "Deitrich" (sp?) was the driver and he fled the scene. "Deitrich" is a German fellow and that's all he knows about him. It was either a witness or Erikson that said that they were racing an Mercedes/McClaren SLR when suddenly the car became airborne.
I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.
Speed is estimated at 120 mph.
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Originally Posted by CLpower
....I'm told that Stefan did allegedly blow a .09, but he claims he wasn't driving.
If I ever total a car while driving under the influence I'll have to remember to say "uh officer, it wasn't me driving. it was this mysterious foreigner who vanished from the scene of the accident. I think his name was Derek or Dietrich something or other."
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The reason they use the monocoque chassis is because of its weight/strength. Lets not forget... the chassis is not made from cheap metals.
So lets just say... somehow my acura is capable of going 170+mph.If my car got into a similar accident going the same speed do you think myself or any of my passengers would survive?
DOT definetly requires safety standards. It met the standards.
So lets just say... somehow my acura is capable of going 170+mph.If my car got into a similar accident going the same speed do you think myself or any of my passengers would survive?
DOT definetly requires safety standards. It met the standards.
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Good for him, but don't do it on the Highway with a million other motorists going 1/4 the speed he was and put their lives in danger as well.
I'm sure he figured it was early and the road was relatively empty and he wasn't putting anyone else in danger, but you just never know...those cars a couple of miles ahead of you come up pretty fucking fast when you're doing 180+
I'm sure he figured it was early and the road was relatively empty and he wasn't putting anyone else in danger, but you just never know...those cars a couple of miles ahead of you come up pretty fucking fast when you're doing 180+
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Originally Posted by Edr0e
Oh no here we go again
Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.
That is what saved dude's life.
Guys do a search on carbon monocoque chassis. The enzo, carrera gt are prime examples of how they utilize this new race technology into our everyday cars.
That is what saved dude's life.
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Originally Posted by Pure Adrenaline
Are you telling me that F1 cars (that's basically what the Enzo is) are not designed to break apart at impact? Only the cabin is supposed to remain intact, like a cocoon, to protect the driver. The rest of the car is designed to break apart on impact to dissipate the energy. Hell, they even use special spring-loaded screws so that they pop out in an impact.
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Originally Posted by Maximized
I am aware that it's designed to break apart like that, but like I stated before there has been pictures of other Ferraris including an Enzo that split at the passenger compartment. I don't think Ferrari does much safety testing, but I could be wrong.
In fact, do you know why the legendary Porsche 959 was not legal in the U.S.? Porsche did not want to give the NHTSA the three 959's for testing, because they were so expensive and rare. That was the only reason why it couldn't come stateside. You deny the federal government test vehicles, and they won't let you sell it in the U.S.
Also you're forgetting just how bad the impact was. Those accidents look pretty serious, and both times, it happened at high speeds. Compared to ordinary cars, these vehicles provide an outstanding level of safety.
Sure, the accident in Italy looks bad, but it was also a really bad accident at a high speed. The chassis is strong, but it's not indestructible. But I bet you a beer that these cars have much higher safety threshold than other cars.